Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[DAdmiral]

” Abbasi, who grew up in Taiwan although his skin color is obviously different from that of Taiwan’s local ancestry, has been confirmed by the Basketball Association to FIBA from this year. In international competitions, you can represent the Chinese team as a local player , his father is Senegalese, and his mother is from California, USA. He was born in Japan
Abbasi has previously played as a NP.

people are not only defined as Taiwanese by law, but also as non-exceptional Taiwanese in terms of international basketball recognition. In fact, from the recognition of mixed blood in many West Asian countries, the Philippines, and Japan in recent years, we can already smell FIBA’s attitude towards 16-year-olds. The attitude of regulations is regarded as a principle, but not an iron law trampled on to death. As long as the country can actively fight for it and put forward convincing reasons, it is indeed possible to increase the possibility of various cases being regarded as local.

https://www.world-today-news.com/fiba-approved-abbasi-can-be-officially-regarded-as-a-welcome-news-for-the-local-chinese-mens-basketball-team-t1-league-basketball-sports-vision-sports-vision/

[DAdmiral]

A few myths proven incorrect

1. Special Naturalization law (e.g via congress) is viewed differently and player granted via Naturalization cannot be classified as a local

2. Once one plays as a Naturalized player in FiBA cannot change status to a local

3 Players of different heritage from norm of country cannot play as locals

4 Mere relationship to a parent citizen (with alien heritage (Mars) is not what is classified as blood relationship,


Now here is a what is emphasized
number of years residency as a minor , trumps all. It is the main basis for exception. the essence of the U16 rule : Players developed and raised in the country are eligible

[DAdmiral]

Recommended program for SBP

Each of the 8 junior UAAP team (high school) is encouraged (partly subsidized by SBP) a foreign national student player with a requirement to enter school no older than 15 yrs old and must commit to a tenure of 3 years minimum ( 15 to 18 years old)... this will improve the level in high school for homegrown and potentially have tall local eligible former foreigners in Gilas

Gilas annual camps in each hotbed of Philippine population around the world for 13 to 16 years olds , ( includes a embassy official with special powers to commence date stamp processing applications for passport)

[ja.he]

Correct, that's hassle free approval no exception required.
now even if one fails to get a passport by 16, but gets one like in 21 like Abasi , FIBA will approve exemption. Definitely. 100 % sure if Compton who grew up in Philippines got a passport at 25 years old , 100 % exempted yum.

From.my perspective there really is nothing immoral aboit it, if anything its actually a great humanitarian effort . Do not forget by doing this you're uplifting the lives of peo0le people in need. You have provided a better future for people who would otherwise be in poverty. (Biirth and /or raised in a country is 100 % guaranteed approval)

That is why in FIBAs view naturalizung an African as a minor like say Koaume is looked very favorable and is very different from a professional movig to accept a pro contraxt at 25 yrs old , who happens to have some Filipino blood traced to a grandmother who lived in Philippines and got passport after 16. That is so different.. the purpose of immigration is totally for a different reason and motivation. C'mon you cannot compare the need to survive move away from war as a kid , witb a grown adult taking up a $100k pro contract to move to Philippines, totally different

You are right, we may give these kids a better life than their countries of origin like what UAAP teams have been doing to their FSAs.

SBP's legal team should have known this better. Better than me. I'm still wondering why not touch this matter. We are still stuck at recruiting Fil-Fors when we can also have foreign kids who can live here and be a Filipino. I believe that we can have all of them - the Fil-Fors, the localized foreign kids (should be considered as homegrowns), the homegrowns and the naturalized player.

Indonesia is doing it right now:

- Homegrowns (Grahita, Prastawa, DMX)
- Dual citizens (Jawato, Wisnu)
- Localized foreigners (Diagne, Kane)
- Naturalized (Prosper, Bolden).

[C2Hamm]

do blatche and douthit have tall kids?

iirc Kuya Marcus has a daughter while Drey has no kids. he was rumored to have a son, but later found out his partner had it with someone else.

[C2Hamm]

Recommended program for SBP

Each of the 8 junior UAAP team (high school) is encouraged (partly subsidized by SBP) a foreign national student player with a requirement to enter school no older than 15 yrs old and must commit to a tenure of 3 years minimum ( 15 to 18 years old)... this will improve the level in high school for homegrown and potentially have tall local eligible former foreigners in Gilas

Gilas annual camps in each hotbed of Philippine population around the world for 13 to 16 years olds , ( includes a embassy official with special powers to commence date stamp processing applications for passport)

you actually don't have to limit it to the UAAP schools. a former poster there from Cebu, helped students from Africa to get scholarships in Cebu. someone of them became players. hello Mbala and Karim to name a few. Karim came to the country as a 3rd year HS student. Ange came in roughly same age as Karim and both were chuck in non-UAAP\NCAA schools for development. and if you watch the different U14 leagues, you will spot a foreigner or 2 per tournament. what becomes of them, I dont know. point is, SBP just say there is incentive, then those who have connections(not necessarily the bigger schools) will start finding talents.

but question there is, is that the direction the will be new SBP leadership want? i like the plan mind you. im just not hopeful unless the new leadership puts a non-PBA personality to lead our NSA.

[CoJ]

Law student here. I think I have to agree. CA 473 is the relevant law on naturalization, I think.

Sec. 15, CA 473. Effect of the naturalization on wife and children. - Any woman who is now or may hereafter be married to a citizen of the Philippines, and who might herself .be lawfully naturalized shall be deemed a citizen of the Philippines.

Minor children of persons naturalized under this law who have been born in-the Philippines shall be considered citizens thereof.

A foreign-born minor child, if dwelling in the Philippines at the time of the naturalization of the parent, shall automatically become a Philippine citizen, and a foreign-born minor child, who is not in the Philippines at the time the parent is naturalized, shall be deemed a Philippine citizen only during his minority, unless he begins to reside permanently in the Philippines when still a minor, in which case, he will continue to be a Philippine citizen even after becoming of age.

A child born outside of the Philippines after, the naturalization of his parent, shall be considered a Philippine citizen, unless within one year after reaching the age of majority, he. fails to register himself as a Philippine citizen at the American Consulate of the country where he resides, and to take the necessary oath of allegiance.

So, based on the underlined portions, Brownlee Jr. is also naturalized thanks to JB's naturalization. He's 11, right? That's minor age, meaning either way he's also a naturalized citizen. If he was in the Philippines at the time JB was naturalized, he's automatically a Filipino citizen for life. If he was abroad at the time, he's only a Filipino citizen until 18, unless he resides here permanently.

By the way, ja.he is already a lawyer. He passed the bar last year.

BTW congrats Ja.He

so i think its time to check if Blatche fathered any kid who is still a minor (below 12) and tag him for the future gilas program. Same with Douthit.

[CoJ]

you actually don't have to limit it to the UAAP schools. a former poster there from Cebu, helped students from Africa to get scholarships in Cebu. someone of them became players. hello Mbala and Karim to name a few. Karim came to the country as a 3rd year HS student. Ange came in roughly same age as Karim and both were chuck in non-UAAP\NCAA schools for development. and if you watch the different U14 leagues, you will spot a foreigner or 2 per tournament. what becomes of them, I dont know. point is, SBP just say there is incentive, then those who have connections(not necessarily the bigger schools) will start finding talents.

but question there is, is that the direction the will be new SBP leadership want? i like the plan mind you. im just not hopeful unless the new leadership puts a non-PBA personality to lead our NSA.

Damn, Karim, Ange and Mbala could have gotten pinoy passports before turning 16 pala if SBP explored this option before! . I think St Claire, CEU, UC and UV have a lot of African kids in the pipeline. But true this would only be maximized should SBP be handled by a non-pba guy

[DAdmiral]

you actually don't have to limit it to the UAAP schools. a former poster there from Cebu, helped students from Africa to get scholarships in Cebu. someone of them became players. hello Mbala and Karim to name a few. Karim came to the country as a 3rd year HS student. Ange came in roughly same age as Karim and both were chuck in non-UAAP\NCAA schools for development. and if you watch the different U14 leagues, you will spot a foreigner or 2 per tournament. what becomes of them, I dont know. point is, SBP just say there is incentive, then those who have connections(not necessarily the bigger schools) will start finding talents.

but question there is, is that the direction the will be new SBP leadership want? i like the plan mind you. im just not hopeful unless the new leadership puts a non-PBA personality to lead our NSA.

This is where SBP leadership emphasizing prioritising sound investment comes in, to set up a program inviting foreign nationals to be youth residents in the country will cost the fraction of what it cost to hire Blatche for 2 months. Now here is the thing which of the two promotes basketball level in the country more ? 2nd question which is really more a reflection of the level of basketball in the Philippines , having Blatche who has lived in the Philippines for like 1 month max or have 20 foreign youths make the Philippines home .. seriously think about it , Now people wonder why doesn't SBP see it this way. answer : $$$$ for self gain (period) . Now tell me , is this something to be upset about ? well if you're a real Pinoy basketball fan, HELL YES!!

[Rds]

Damn, Karim, Ange and Mbala could have gotten pinoy passports before turning 16 pala if SBP explored this option before! . I think St Claire, CEU, UC and UV have a lot of African kids in the pipeline. But true this would only be maximized should SBP be handled by a non-pba guy

I like this idea. But I dont think our citizenship laws make this easy. Now is there a feasible way to naturalize under 16 kids? I dont think our legislators should spend their hard earned position by legislating the citizenship of 20 tall kids. If anything it's a sign of how broken down and archaic our citizenship laws are.

Instead of making it easy for those who live and work here to be citizens it is almost impossible. Then any baller who has a grandparent or great grandparent who was Pinoy can claim citizenship even if none of their lineage has set foot in the country since probably the last galleon.

I don't begrudge anyone who wants to move out of the country. But I think there's something wrong with their citizenship being passed on to their apo sa tuhod or something without any documentation that the preceding generation actually took steps to "maintain" their citizenship. I am not a lawyer but this way of passing a citizenship to the nth generation seems wrong to me.

[gilasfan]

Time to dream about our world cup rosters again

1st unit
C - Kai
PF - Japeth
SF - Malonzo
SG - Clarkson
PG - Scottie

2nd unit
C - Fajardo
PF - AJ Edu
SF - Parks
SG - Heading
PG - Dwight

3rd unit
C - Balti
PF - Tamayo
SF - Abando
SG - Perez
G - Bolick or RJ A.

Special mention:
Navarro

[CoJ]

I like this idea. But I dont think our citizenship laws make this easy. Now is there a feasible way to naturalize under 16 kids? I dont think our legislators should spend their hard earned position by legislating the citizenship of 20 tall kids. If anything it's a sign of how broken down and archaic our citizenship laws are.

Instead of making it easy for those who live and work here to be citizens it is almost impossible. Then any baller who has a grandparent or great grandparent who was Pinoy can claim citizenship even if none of their lineage has set foot in the country since probably the last galleon.

I don't begrudge anyone who wants to move out of the country. But I think there's something wrong with their citizenship being passed on to their apo sa tuhod or something without any documentation that the preceding generation actually took steps to "maintain" their citizenship. I am not a lawyer but this way of passing a citizenship to the nth generation seems wrong to me.

unfortunately only through naturalization, the most recent case would be the kid of Chinese migrants who was born in the country and is about to represent the Philippines in a intl math olympiad. (he has represented the country in various intl math contest prior) And yeah naturalizing 20 or more tall kids would take a lot of political capital and not a great way of utilizing legislative time.

edit: the kid graduated from MIT with a perfect GPA!

https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/694703/senate-grants-filipino-citizenship-to-math-whiz-of-chinese-descent

[ja.he]

I like this idea. But I dont think our citizenship laws make this easy. Now is there a feasible way to naturalize under 16 kids? I dont think our legislators should spend their hard earned position by legislating the citizenship of 20 tall kids. If anything it's a sign of how broken down and archaic our citizenship laws are.

Instead of making it easy for those who live and work here to be citizens it is almost impossible. Then any baller who has a grandparent or great grandparent who was Pinoy can claim citizenship even if none of their lineage has set foot in the country since probably the last galleon.

I don't begrudge anyone who wants to move out of the country. But I think there's something wrong with their citizenship being passed on to their apo sa tuhod or something without any documentation that the preceding generation actually took steps to "maintain" their citizenship. I am not a lawyer but this way of passing a citizenship to the nth generation seems wrong to me.

There are side steps depending on the situation:

- Include the parents of the prospect to migrate in the Philippines. Give them work so that they can contribute and buy properties here. Also, have their children enroll here in a Philippine school. Have them reside here for atleast 10 years. Undergo Judicial Naturalization. If the parents become naturalization, so as their minor children (prospects).

- If the foreigner is a single parent, his children are minors (mother is a foreigner), let them live here, have a job, buy a property, have his children study here. He may marry a Filipina which will reduce his residency requirement from 10 to 5 years. Undergo Judicial Naturalization. If the parents becomes, so as his children.

These are some of the possible scenarios where the minors can became naturalized without actually undergoing the naturalization process. If we were able to naturalization his parent/s, then he will also acquire PH citizenship and apply for PH passport before reaching 16 years old.

[ja.he]

This is the reason why SBP should take care our naturalized players (Blatche, Douthit, Kouame and Brownlee). Because their kids has a high probability of being eligible for Gilas. Why? Their kids' documents can easily be processed so that they can acquire passport before reaching 16 years old.

[Giannis34GOD]

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It seems they are hesitating on JC... Hhhhmmmmm!!!!!