Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[DAdmiral]

Derivative naturalization, right?

Unless the Philippines has super restrictive laws, that a parent naturalized via congress cannot by relationship to a child , give rights to citizenship for child, , I see No problem.

Super weird and restrictive yung Philippinesl law if this is the case .
FROM.FIBA perspective even if you get Brownlee Jr a xerox fake passport from Recto , they will accept it at face value

[Rds]

Unless the Philippines has super restrictive laws, that a parent naturalized via congress cannot by relationship to a child , give rights to citizenship for child, , I see No problem.

Super weird and restrictive yung Philippinesl law if this is the case .
FROM.FIBA perspective even if you get Brownlee Jr a xerox fake passport from Recto , they will accept it at face value

The Philippines has a super restrictive citizenship process. There's no argument there. There might be a documented reason for this but I think it is borne from the fear that Chinese descent people will buy all our lands. But if you think about it Villar has done that already. We have nothing to fear anymore.

[IPC]

That's why if I were the SBP, I will work on Brownlee, Jr.'s passport the moment Brownlee, Sr. became a naturalized Filipino citizen. The kid is only 12 I believe. It will be unwise for SBP not to do so. If they are not will to work with the kid's papers, atleast advice Brownlee, Sr. to work do so.

Fact: no need to naturalized Brownlee, Jr.

Do the lawyers and law students here agree? I don't agree with this. It will only apply if Brownlee has another child right?

Law student here. I think I have to agree. CA 473 is the relevant law on naturalization, I think.

Sec. 15, CA 473. Effect of the naturalization on wife and children. - Any woman who is now or may hereafter be married to a citizen of the Philippines, and who might herself .be lawfully naturalized shall be deemed a citizen of the Philippines.

Minor children of persons naturalized under this law who have been born in-the Philippines shall be considered citizens thereof.

A foreign-born minor child, if dwelling in the Philippines at the time of the naturalization of the parent, shall automatically become a Philippine citizen, and a foreign-born minor child, who is not in the Philippines at the time the parent is naturalized, shall be deemed a Philippine citizen only during his minority, unless he begins to reside permanently in the Philippines when still a minor, in which case, he will continue to be a Philippine citizen even after becoming of age.

A child born outside of the Philippines after, the naturalization of his parent, shall be considered a Philippine citizen, unless within one year after reaching the age of majority, he. fails to register himself as a Philippine citizen at the American Consulate of the country where he resides, and to take the necessary oath of allegiance.

So, based on the underlined portions, Brownlee Jr. is also naturalized thanks to JB's naturalization. He's 11, right? That's minor age, meaning either way he's also a naturalized citizen. If he was in the Philippines at the time JB was naturalized, he's automatically a Filipino citizen for life. If he was abroad at the time, he's only a Filipino citizen until 18, unless he resides here permanently.

By the way, ja.he is already a lawyer. He passed the bar last year.

[Rds]

Law student here. I think I have to agree. CA 473 is the relevant law on naturalization, I think.

Sec. 15, CA 473. Effect of the naturalization on wife and children. - Any woman who is now or may hereafter be married to a citizen of the Philippines, and who might herself .be lawfully naturalized shall be deemed a citizen of the Philippines.

Minor children of persons naturalized under this law who have been born in-the Philippines shall be considered citizens thereof.

A foreign-born minor child, if dwelling in the Philippines at the time of the naturalization of the parent, shall automatically become a Philippine citizen, and a foreign-born minor child, who is not in the Philippines at the time the parent is naturalized, shall be deemed a Philippine citizen only during his minority, unless he begins to reside permanently in the Philippines when still a minor, in which case, he will continue to be a Philippine citizen even after becoming of age.

A child born outside of the Philippines after, the naturalization of his parent, shall be considered a Philippine citizen, unless within one year after reaching the age of majority, he. fails to register himself as a Philippine citizen at the American Consulate of the country where he resides, and to take the necessary oath of allegiance.

So, based on the underlined portions, Brownlee Jr. is also naturalized thanks to JB's naturalization. He's 11, right? That's minor age, meaning either way he's also a naturalized citizen. If he was in the Philippines at the time JB was naturalized, he's automatically a Filipino citizen for life. If he was abroad at the time, he's only a Filipino citizen until 18, unless he resides here permanently.

By the way, ja.he is already a lawyer. He passed the bar last year.

Thanks. I guess it makes sense.

[DAdmiral]

Basically Philippines residency to citizenship law for child is consistent with FIBA rules .
a child resident with a passport is eligible

[ja.he]

Derivative naturalization, right?

Yes, it is derivative naturalization. Pardon my memory but I believe that it is found under the third paragraph of Section 15, C.A. No. 473.

[ja.he]

Law student here. I think I have to agree. CA 473 is the relevant law on naturalization, I think.

Sec. 15, CA 473. Effect of the naturalization on wife and children. - Any woman who is now or may hereafter be married to a citizen of the Philippines, and who might herself .be lawfully naturalized shall be deemed a citizen of the Philippines.

Minor children of persons naturalized under this law who have been born in-the Philippines shall be considered citizens thereof.

A foreign-born minor child, if dwelling in the Philippines at the time of the naturalization of the parent, shall automatically become a Philippine citizen, and a foreign-born minor child, who is not in the Philippines at the time the parent is naturalized, shall be deemed a Philippine citizen only during his minority, unless he begins to reside permanently in the Philippines when still a minor, in which case, he will continue to be a Philippine citizen even after becoming of age.

A child born outside of the Philippines after, the naturalization of his parent, shall be considered a Philippine citizen, unless within one year after reaching the age of majority, he. fails to register himself as a Philippine citizen at the American Consulate of the country where he resides, and to take the necessary oath of allegiance.

So, based on the underlined portions, Brownlee Jr. is also naturalized thanks to JB's naturalization. He's 11, right? That's minor age, meaning either way he's also a naturalized citizen. If he was in the Philippines at the time JB was naturalized, he's automatically a Filipino citizen for life. If he was abroad at the time, he's only a Filipino citizen until 18, unless he resides here permanently.

By the way, ja.he is already a lawyer. He passed the bar last year.

dude, i'm caught. haha

[IPC]

dude, i'm caught. haha

Had to give a member of the bar his credibility. Hahahahahaha.

[ja.he]

Had to give a member of the bar his credibility. Hahahahahaha.

Anyway, I am wondering if SBP has a legal team because if there is, why are they not exploring this pathway?

Legally, it will work in SBP's favor.

[IPC]

Anyway, I am wondering if SBP has a legal team because if there is, why are they not exploring this pathway?

Legally, it will work in SBP's favor.

Yeah, look at Abassi. This can be the pathway for JB's kids. Grew up here, then get them their passport before 16.

[ja.he]

Yeah, look at Abassi. This can be the pathway for JB's kids. Grew up here, then get them their passport before 16.

The good thing about this pathway is that it is less expensive than asking FIBA for an exemption.

Maybe, some posters will question the morality of this practice. But if SBP is smart enough, through MVP, can shelter Ukrainian and Sudanese refugees ages 10-12. Localized them and ask for a refugee exemption.

Sir Dave/D'Admiral, correct me if I'm wrong.

[magic_chiongson]

do blatche and douthit have tall kids?

[DAdmiral]

The good thing about this pathway is that it is less expensive than asking FIBA for an exemption.

Maybe, some posters will question the morality of this practice. But if SBP is smart enough, through MVP, can shelter Ukrainian and Sudanese refugees ages 10-12. Localized them and ask for a refugee exemption.

Sir Dave/D'Admiral, correct me if I'm wrong.

Correct, that's hassle free approval no exception required.
now even if one fails to get a passport by 16, but gets one like in 21 like Abasi , FIBA will approve exemption. Definitely. 100 % sure if Alex Compton who grew up in Philippines got a passport at 25 years old , 100 % exempted yun.

From.my perspective there really is nothing immoral about it, if anything its actually a great humanitarian effort . Do not forget by doing this you're uplifting the lives of peo0le people in need. You have provided a better future for people who would otherwise be in poverty. (Biirth and /or raised in a country is 100 % guaranteed approval)

That is why in FIBAs view naturalizung an African as a minor like say Koaume is looked very favorable and is very different from a professional moving to accept a pro contract at 25 yrs old , who happens to have some Filipino blood traced to a grandmother who lived in Philippines and got passport after 16. That is so different.. the purpose of immigration is totally for a different reason and motivation. C'mon you cannot compare the need to survive move away from war as a kid , witb a grown adult taking up a $100k pro contract to move to Philippines, totally different

[DAdmiral]

Let's assume rumor is true that Asi Taulava doesn't really have Filipino blood, so in FIBAs view he got naturalized (acquired Philippine passport after his original Tonga citizenship), FIBA does not care how he was naturalized or got a 2nd passport , (congress etc) but simply that he got a 2nd passport after 16. (Period)

Asi has Pinoy kids (now assume for argument sake mom was a foreigner ) those kids if raised here in Manila regardless if Asi is technically naturalized (who cares how he got his 2nd citizenship, it's still naturalization) are 100 % eligible in FiBAs eyes , even if they get passport after 16 yrs old

[DAdmiral]

Mark this Kouame may indeed get exempted by 2027 WC. , (this isn't a guarantee or anything, but just saying.. )