Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[IPC]

I am sorry for being a minority here and sorry just to be clear i am not a chot defender.. far from it since i firmly believe there is really a directive for the PBA to be at the upfront for Gilas even if there objectives or schedules do not jive.. but I want to look at it in a bigger picture.. the problem right now with Gilas and the players especially is there is a lack of purpose.. it is not because bulk of the players are not available due to the PBA finals etc etc.. baloney... players right now don't have a sense of purpose unlike the 2013-2015 batches.. the likes of LA Tenorio, Jimmy Alapag, Ranidel De Ocampo, heck even Marc PIngris and Larry Fonacier.. those men before (forgot to mention a lot), I felt that they were on a mission.. and dead set focused on the mission.. right now kung saan saan ung mga isipan at gawain ng mga players..
now I don't know if this is chot's fault or SBP as whole (which I believe it is)... but nonetheless, we don't have a sense of purpose.. parang laro lang for the sake of playing and get it over with.. this is the sad part..

Well, that's the thing. SBP has no purpose, just there for the hosting. Maybe the purpose is save the PBA by filling it with PBA players, I dunno.

I'm saying, they're GarPax Bulls-level incompetent.

[IPC]

longhair as next SBP chairman confirmed? heheh, naismith trophy @espana

Boss is a basketball mind, but I still have a bad feeling about the program if he's SBP president, or has massive influence there.

[IPC]

Even casual fans know how hard it is to go the Phil Arena. It's been talked about for ages in online forums but SBP for some reason chose to ignore all the cons. That says a lot about our basketball federation.

well, SBP under MVP as the president did a hell of job. his successor, though, is a straight tr**h.

I still don't understand the federation as an entity. You have a President in Panlilio, who treats this job as a sideline to his main job which is actually making sure we all have Internet and a 5G signal... and you have a Director-slash-spokesman in Barrios who still thinks he's in the PBA and, if you read all the dumb statements he's said since taking over, actually takes the side of the PBA Board over his own federation.

We have greedy and incompetent officials. What's new? At least Pangilinan was a passionate and competent federation head.

[IPC]

I already have concerns for the 2025 Asia Cup Qualifiers. Will the PBA even cooperate this time around considering Ginebra, TNT, and SMB comprise a bulk of our roster?

With luck, we won't need many PBA players after the World Cup, considering that many of them, especially the guards, can easily be replaced by B.League, KBL, and college, even HS players. The only players we'll really need from the PBA for the Asia Cup and qualifiers are Scottie, Malonzo, maybe Oftana (if he keeps his defense), and even Japeth for a few. Bolick and Navarro are free agents, so have the opportunity to go abroad (although Will is still recovering from his ACL injury).

The problem is, our top three wings standing 6'5" and above, which are Malonzo, Navarro, and Oftana, have PBA teams, or have had PBA teams. We will need to search high and low to replace them. Navarro's a free agent after his two-conference contract with NorthPort, but he needs to recover, and we better hope he can sign with a B.League or KBL team. Maybe have Harris and Lopez play, as well as Briones.

[CoJ]

Boss is a basketball mind, but I still have a bad feeling about the program if he's SBP president, or has massive influence there.

track record of Long Hair is negative regarding player/youth development , I dont think they could find a shortcut for the 2027 qualifiers

[paolylo]

track record of Long Hair is negative regarding player/youth development , I dont think they could find a shortcut for the 2027 qualifiers

Let's try to be a bit fair. I was a fan of those late 90's PBL Tanduay Teams tho with Coach Poblador... I cut up my undershirts from the sleeves and folded my socks because of Jason Webb and I was convinced Sonny Alvarado was going to be the G.O.A.T. Give me a name that he developed into a superstar or at least a decent international-level player? Menk was already great before he entered the PBA. Ali Peek hit his peak when he left Pop Cola. Paolo Mendoza and Nelbert Omolon were good, not great. Anyone remember Chris Ellis? Development to him means "sit your ass on the bench and watch these vets work".

[DAdmiral]

The SEA games line up is actually not bad , (good actually). Pinoy fans have a misconception of what depleted and lack of preperation really means.. Some of the rosters other counties like US , NzL, Australia fielded in Asia qualifiers and cup are really embarrassingly like D and E teams with zero practice . If we can't win with a decent number of our top pros in SEA games lang , eh just shows the level is realy not that good in the country relative to others contrary to what most think.(we think we're better than we really are )

To much drama . Like team USA doesn't have big debates for who it send to WC with no preperation. And to think this is SEA games LOL C"mon

Just because basketball is like a religion in the Philippines we assume we're better than nations where basketball is traditionally NOT a major sport , where semi pros who have day jobs are looked down at , but are actually better than our well paid pros.

[paolylo]

The SEA games line up is actually not bad , (good actually). Pinoy fans have a misconception of what depleted and lack of preperation really means.. Some of the rosters other counties like US , NzL, Australia fielded in Asia qualifiers and cup are really embarrassingly like D and E teams with zero practice . If we can't win with a decent number of our top pros in SEA games lang , eh just shows the level is realy not that good in the country relative to others contrary to what most think.(we think we're better than we really are )

To much drama . Like team USA doesn't have big debates for who it send to WC with no preperation. And to think this is SEA games LOL C"mon

Just because basketball is like a religion in the Philippines we assume we're better than nations where basketball is traditionally NOT a major sport , where semi pros who have day jobs are looked down at , but are actually better than our well paid pros.

The idea was to have a pool of players so that when these competitions come up, at least there's a team of 12-15 players that can be formed and trained however the coach wants the team to look like. I remember Tab specifically saying 3 weeks should be an absolute minimum for a player coming in and re-integrating himself with the team. It doesn't really inspire a lot of belief when the coach-slash-head-of-the-program is a scapegoat for the entire federation's incompetence and is already coming up with a ready-made excuse just incase they lose again.

It's really born out of Chot's napoleonic ego, it's usually him being a frustrated pro player... but I'm concerned that he already took it to the extreme several times before and no one's stopping him from being an embarassment again. The technical foul from the bench against Iran in '07, him being Toroman's consultant for Gilas 1, how he treated Douthit during the Incheon Asian Games after that World Cup squad ran everything through Blatche, obviously the brawl against Australia, I'm convinced there's resentment there towards Baldwin when he was winning with less talent because that's the antithesis of Chot. Alam mo na epal yung tao, tapos hahayaan mo nalang maging epal kasi lilipas din? Chot never got a moment to hang his hat around for people to remember him for because he ended up doing something stupid later on. The drama is part of the deal when you're talking about Chot's international stint. If Gilas wins the SEA Games, lalaki bigla ulo niya. If Gilas loses, he ends up blaming the players who didn't show up... either way, dapat siya lagi ang bida. Pathetic, but it is what it is.

[IPC]

Gilas/SBP would be still in favour of pba coaches to handle the future fiba tournaments rather than take a risk on hiring foreign coaches.
Funny thing they (SBP) had a press release on getting foreign coach after yeng’s wc campaign to only choose chot as the wc coach.

in expecting a clusterf*ck during the 2027 qualifying cycle. SMC will be in for a rude awakening

They did have two, but Ricky Vargas and the rest of the basketball heads chased them away

They replaced Tab with Chot as program director after Tab recommended that Chot take over as head coach. Nenad naman, he says that SBP tried to keep him, but he wanted to get away from the drama and toxicity.

And as for PBA coaches, I think only Chot is the only capable PBA guy as a head coach by a country mile. Cone's best as a defensive coordinator, so he can work on schemes. I think the best coaches for the job are outside the PBA. Chito Victolero's a good option, though, but I dunno. A better arrangement would be a young capable local head coach like Charles, Goldwin, or Topex, Plus, add a foreign coach like Tab, Nenad, or the TNT consultant (Lale Gorunovic) as an assistant to the local, and the head coach for the youth teams.

[CoJ]

They replaced Tab with Chot as program director after Tab recommended that Chot take over as head coach. Nenad naman, he says that SBP tried to keep him, but he wanted to get away from the drama and toxicity.

And as for PBA coaches, I think only Chot is the only capable PBA guy as a head coach by a country mile. Cone's best as a defensive coordinator, so he can work on schemes. I think the best coaches for the job are outside the PBA. Chito Victolero's a good option, though, but I dunno. A better arrangement would be a young capable local head coach like Charles, Goldwin, or Topex, Plus, add a foreign coach like Tab, Nenad, or the TNT consultant (Lale Gorunovic) as an assistant to the local, and the head coach for the youth teams.

Ayo’s mayhem system could be a revelation in the FIBA level, too bad he’s a douchebag in person, burned every bridge and is skating on thin ice

[IPC]

Ayo's mayhem system could be a revelation in the FIBA level, too bad he’s a douchebag in person, burned every bridge and is skating on thin ice

I am not a fan of how Ayo builds his rosters, though. Too similar to how Chot likes it (his 3's are mostly undersized; not many tall wings). He kinda plays favorites too.

[CoJ]

I am not a fan of how Ayo builds his rosters, though. Too similar to how Chot likes it (his 3's are mostly undersized; not many tall wings). He kinda plays favorites too.

and he hates fil-foreigners apparently

[IPC]

At this rate, why bother playing for Gilas if you want to develop?
Just do it yourself by playing overseas.

Gilas is a win-now program and only finished goods will be considered.

Yeah, we're not exactly in the business of developing an identity either, which we were starting to do with the Tab team of 2021. No direction except getting gold in the SEA Games and finishing as good as possible in this coming WC.

At this point, I think it's really best if our best Gilas prospects go overseas. Better leagues, and more available for Gilas for FIBA comps.

[Stevy]

Yeah, we're not exactly in the business of developing an identity either, which we were starting to do with the Tab team of 2021. No direction except getting gold in the SEA Games and finishing as good as possible in this coming WC.

At this point, I think it's really best if our best Gilas prospects go overseas. Better leagues, and more available for Gilas for FIBA comps.

Tab really had a clear, concrete direction for our NT.

It stinks that we don't get to see his program through to the end. His goals were highly ambitious, including a strong second-round finish in the 2023 World Cup and a team that could be a medal contender in 2027. Hopefully we can regroup after the WC. Win or lose this year, we need to could go back to a long-term, meticulous program.

[FilWelsh]

Tab really had a clear, concrete direction for our NT.

It stinks that we don't get to see his program through to the end. His goals were highly ambitious, including a strong second-round finish in the 2023 World Cup and a team that could be a medal contender in 2027. Hopefully we can regroup after the WC. Win or lose this year, we need to could go back to a long-term, meticulous program.

meanwhile, despite continuous calls for him to step down Choke Reyes still with Gilas… No delicadeza, no amor propio, ang kapal… I’m wondering why SBP has not sack him. No quality replacement they say is their alibi but Tim Cone is far better than Choke. Coach Tim is familiar with most of the players and Filipino culture.

I lost respect with Choke long time ago when in the 2014 Asian Games, he only lead the national team to a seventh-place finish in the same competition where he infamously instructed his players to shoot in the opponent's basket.