Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[thatweirdguy]

Mike is a 5 in the modern game. Might be short but has long arms and a great motor. No shooting too whatsover so no choice.

Can he guard 5s though? We need a decent backup for Kai

[JAMSKIE]

Mike is a 5 in the modern game. Might be short but has long arms and a great motor. No shooting too whatsover so no choice.

Well, Pingris never had an outisde either. In fact he rarely took or made even mid-range jumpers. Yet he was serviceable for Gilas playing mostly at the 4 spot.

That's becoz Ping wasn't there for scoring/offense. He was there mainly for his defense, rebounding, hustle & high energy. The same could apply to Mike Phillips.

[JAMSKIE]

Can he guard 5s though? We need a decent backup for Kai

I think against most Asian level centers, Mike Phillips would be good enough. But against world level centers, mahihirapan sya.

[BJ_Reloaded]

Damn!! Wa happen to IBN….anyway, I would truly happy if the Philip brothers turn out to be the taller version of a Freddie Abuda with all those motors, hustles and intangibles. I think that consistent Piso piso that coach Freddie are known for when he was acquired by SMB but not part of his repertoire during his PABL and Purefoods days can be address upon during practices or workouts sessions. It’s just a matter of a designing a system/plays that would always put them in their sweet spots for possible offensive rebound and putbacks when the main offensive options are missing their shots. I agree that playing the 4 and occasionally the 3-spots would be a better fit in a world level but on an Asian level those brothers can matchup pretty well up to the 5 spot.

[magic_chiongson]

Well, Pingris never had an outisde either. In fact he rarely took or made even mid-range jumpers. Yet he was serviceable for Gilas playing mostly at the 4 spot.

That's becoz Ping wasn't there for scoring/offense. He was there mainly for his defense, rebounding, hustle & high energy. The same could apply to Mike Phillips.

if we're talking about a much taller pingris we already have one who is 6'10" in aj edu, he's the closest to pingris among our young bigs

[IPC]

if we're talking about a much taller pingris we already have one who is 6'10" in aj edu, he's the closest to pingris among our young bigs

A couple of Ryan Alba posts on AJ Edu:

https://twitter.com/_alba__/status/1644967780515713024?s=20

https://twitter.com/_alba__/status/1...085495296?s=20

https://twitter.com/_alba__/status/1...837617152?s=20

https://twitter.com/_alba__/status/1...916403713?s=20

https://twitter.com/_alba__/status/1644984974410391552?s=20

Calls AJ the most versatile interior defender Gilas has.

[IPC]

What would really piss me off is seeing ageing players like Junmar, Japeth, Poy Erram, Pogoy, Matt Wright, Chris Newsome in the Gilas pool for the post 2023 FIBA World Cup era. Its about time to retire those ageing players from national team service becoz those players are on the downhill route. Palaos na talaga yung mga yan. Its time we make the much younger players like Mason Amos, AJ Edu, Schonny Winston, Carl Tamayo, Rhenz Abando, & others be regular fixtures of the Gilas pool for the qualifying windows & tournament proper of FIBA tourneys like the 2025 FIBA Asia Cup & 2027 FIBA World Cup. The more we get rid of those ageing players for the Gilas pool, the better for Philippine basketball.

I think there are a number of players in the amateur backyard that should be considered in the Gilas pool if we are thinking about long term program. Guys like Seven Gagate, Luis Pablo, Chico Briones, Caleum Harris, Alex Konov, Abadam, Bayla, etc. I think it would be ideal that we elevate these players in the Gilas "cadet" pool anytime soon.

BTW, its nice that IBN is back to regular programing.

The only veterans I feel we need in the post-2023 WC are Scottie (PBA), Parks (B.League), and maybe Perez and Bolick (PBA). The rest should be 28 and under, in the pool below:

PBA: Malonzo, Navarro (free agent), maybe Mamuyac, maybe Oftana
B.League: Dwight, Kai, Carl, Thirdy
KBL: Abarrientos, Abando
College: Mason, Lastimosa, Valdez, Oczon, AJ Edu, Panopio, Lopez, Quiambao
Others: Winston, Pablo, Gagate, Demisana, Bayla, Bahay, Gemao, Kouame (NP), Konov, Harris, Nacua

[IPC]

Ateneo's long term system: "small ball" (but with some height)

https://news.abs-cbn.com/sports/04/1...th-celis-asoro

Yeah, Ateneo has done that for quite some time. Honestly the style fits Filipinos more than the traditional PG to C lineups. Instead of having a bigman at 4, they usually have either a tweener in Verano, or a wing like Navarro, Koon, or maybe Ballungay in that spot. Though, they can have a guy like Daves (who also has mobility) manning the 4 too to guard bigger players.

Positionless basketball, really. That's what Tab tried to build in Gilas.

To paraphrase Tab. You don't really need a lot of really tall players. You need versatile guys on defense and offense of decent height compared to competition. But you don't really need a lot of centers. I think this is similar to many of the NZ teams. Not sure if this is because they share the same principles.

Hopefully, the post-2023 WC Gilas lineups focus on positionless basketball. Players like Dwight, Navarro, Malonzo, Balti, Scottie, and even Carl and AJ (maybe Mason) should be crucial pieces moving forward. Versatile players who can play multiple roles on offense and/or guard multiple positions on defense.

[empyreanmaze]

I really like seeing chots lineup with pogoy sized forwards getting shitted on by proper small ball teams like ginebra rn

[DAdmiral]

Tab's comment about Ateneo direction and modern game is consistent witb the NBL, where frontline are fast and Guards are big with pace.


“I think our frontline will get a little bit smaller, our guard lineup might get a little bit bigger, and the speed of the game might be a little bit faster. This is how we project going forward, which as I said, kind of shadows how the whole game of basketball is going these days,” he said.

[Rds]

Tab's comment about Ateneo direction and modern game is consistent witb the NBL, where frontline are fast and Guards are big with pace.


“I think our frontline will get a little bit smaller, our guard lineup might get a little bit bigger, and the speed of the game might be a little bit faster. This is how we project going forward, which as I said, kind of shadows how the whole game of basketball is going these days,” he said.

I think it is also because guys like Kouame who are tall, mobile, teachable and have a good work ethic are not easy to find.

Or Tab might be going another direction. Obasa seems eloquent but is shorter than Kouame. He is not the rim protector Kouame is. Is it because there are no tallee options? The other schools are getting taller FSAs. Didnt La Salle get the tall CEU FSA?

For whatever reason, Tab chose a shorter FSA. With lesser rim protection Ateneo, by necessity, will need to ramp up the offense. Is the Philippines ready for positionless basketball? GSM seems to be headed that way. But CS is kind of a hybrid. He can grind it a bit when games become physical. But Ateneo will not have that kind of guy. Obasa will need to be at least strong as Kouame. Can Amos be as strong as Daves?

UP is still the main contender here. Diouf is so long and tall that he can block you even if you get physical with him. Guys like Pablo can play physical but are skilled and mobile enough to play fast. Lopez is still a big question mark. Spencer is actually the guy they need that brings toughness in the perimeter.

Basically, with Kouame gone, there is no single dominant player on the UAAP right now. Not only is there no favorite. It also leaves open what play styles and pace will dominate and be effective in the league.

[IPC]

I think it is also because guys like Kouame who are tall, mobile, teachable and have a good work ethic are not easy to find.

Or Tab might be going another direction. Obasa seems eloquent but is shorter than Kouame. He is not the rim protector Kouame is. Is it because there are no tallee options? The other schools are getting taller FSAs. Didnt La Salle get the tall CEU FSA?

For whatever reason, Tab chose a shorter FSA. With lesser rim protection Ateneo, by necessity, will need to ramp up the offense. Is the Philippines ready for positionless basketball? GSM seems to be headed that way. But CS is kind of a hybrid. He can grind it a bit when games become physical. But Ateneo will not have that kind of guy. Obasa will need to be at least strong as Kouame. Can Amos be as strong as Daves?

UP is still the main contender here. Diouf is so long and tall that he can block you even if you get physical with him. Guys like Pablo can play physical but are skilled and mobile enough to play fast. Lopez is still a big question mark. Spencer is actually the guy they need that brings toughness in the perimeter.

Basically, with Kouame gone, there is no single dominant player on the UAAP right now. Not only is there no favorite. It also leaves open what play styles and pace will dominate and be effective in the league.

Beda and CSB might be candidates (both trotting out either tall wings, versatile lineups, or both), although it will be difficult without the FSA.

Even TNT had that but although Oftana, Khobuntin, and RHJ are almost as dynamic as Miah, Malonzo, and Brownlee, they don't have a CStand-type player.

[Metta]

I think it is also because guys like Kouame who are tall, mobile, teachable and have a good work ethic are not easy to find.

Or Tab might be going another direction. Obasa seems eloquent but is shorter than Kouame. He is not the rim protector Kouame is. Is it because there are no tallee options? The other schools are getting taller FSAs. Didnt La Salle get the tall CEU FSA?

For whatever reason, Tab chose a shorter FSA. With lesser rim protection Ateneo, by necessity, will need to ramp up the offense. Is the Philippines ready for positionless basketball? GSM seems to be headed that way. But CS is kind of a hybrid. He can grind it a bit when games become physical. But Ateneo will not have that kind of guy. Obasa will need to be at least strong as Kouame. Can Amos be as strong as Daves?

UP is still the main contender here. Diouf is so long and tall that he can block you even if you get physical with him. Guys like Pablo can play physical but are skilled and mobile enough to play fast. Lopez is still a big question mark. Spencer is actually the guy they need that brings toughness in the perimeter.

Basically, with Kouame gone, there is no single dominant player on the UAAP right now. Not only is there no favorite. It also leaves open what play styles and pace will dominate and be effective in the league.

The younger backup FSA to Obasa seems projected to be better. There are a lot of true 18 and young 19 year olds coming in that will form a core. Feels like they're architecting another long-term dynastic type of team that will develop together. UP also has the personnel to achieve this, but with the way they recruit it seems like they're not waiting for organic development. Similar to what DLSU has been doing.

If Stevens and QMB rumors are true, heck UP can form 2 teams and both will be contenders. That's how loaded they are.

[IPC]

so, is Mikey Williams eligible? lol

hahaha , speaks volumes about the league, a NBA G league discard dominating a series even if it appears that he is disinterested and doesn't show much effort

Mikey should be a default member of any Gilas team in a non-FIBA sanctioned tournament

Maybe for the Asian Games. Beyond that, I dunno. I'm kinda partial to youth and long-term youthfulness, and Mikey will be 35 in the next Asian Games. Let's see about his health and ability, and if he's still good by 2026 Asian Games.

For SEA Games, come on, youth pa rin dapat. The best youth, unless preparing for the WC, in which case the best eligibiles.

[CoJ]

Maybe for the Asian Games. Beyond that, I dunno. I'm kinda partial to youth and long-term youthfulness, and Mikey will be 35 in the next Asian Games. Let's see about his health and ability, and if he's still good by 2026 Asian Games.

For SEA Games, come on, youth pa rin dapat. The best youth, unless preparing for the WC, in which case the best eligibiles.

got your point, especially that qualifying for the next world cup would be a uphill battle and we need to develop the next gen gilas. If only Mikey is younger, somehow the fact that he is 30 plus keeps slipping my mind.