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  • Originally posted by sajubeads View Post
    Wright last good performance was 2017 FIBA Asia Cup right before he entered the PBA....Does his PBA stint made him a poor FIBA player?
    Not sure. I remember he did well against the lower tier teams. Against teams with taller perimeter players he gets gunshy. I think he should be able to play the Heading role. But he needs to improve on D.

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    • Originally posted by Rds View Post
      Good for him. Hopefully he is slotted as an SF. He needs a lot of work though based on his last outing.
      The team was looking for a big off-guard, from what I read. I think he'll be slotted in that position. Either that or SF.

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      • Originally posted by IPC View Post
        Not yet. He can be considered a 'violator' only after two drafts from now and he doesn't join.
        Ah ok, I get it.

        I'm thinking of a way to somewhat circumbent this anti-dodging rule & that is for a Pinoy player to enter the PBA draft, sign only a one year contract with a PBA team, then after the expiration of such contract, he can then seek offers from the B-league or elsewhere. In the case of Javi, play in Japan for just one year. Then if he does well in Japan, apply muna sya sa PBA draft, then sign for just one year contract then after mag expire PBA contract nya, pwede na uli sya bumalik sa Japan if there is/are still interested team/s there.

        How's that bro?
        "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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        • The Calvin Abueva issue noted by coach rajko. (Which probably also the reason Coach tab cut Calvn last 2015 OQT)

          I think it should be a lesson to the pba.

          Calvin is probably/arguably the best combo forward in pba right now.

          But at 6'1-6'2. He should be a PG in International Competitions, which he is not.

          And as Coach Rajko said he is not a good shooter.

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          • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
            Ah ok, I get it.

            I'm thinking of a way to somewhat circumbent this anti-dodging rule & that is for a Pinoy player to enter the PBA draft, sign only a one year contract with a PBA team, then after the expiration of such contract, he can then seek offers from the B-league or elsewhere. In the case of Javi, play in Japan for just one year. Then if he does well in Japan, apply muna sya sa PBA draft, then sign for just one year contract then after mag expire PBA contract nya, pwede na uli sya bumalik sa Japan if there is/are still interested team/s there.

            How's that bro?
            That's a great way to circumvent the rule, actually. That's similar to what I was thinking of. One-year contracts with the PBA team, tapos go abroad if there are still interested teams overseas.

            Can't be considered a draft dodger when you applied for the draft and fulfilled your contractual obligations.

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            • Originally posted by Rds View Post
              Not sure. I remember he did well against the lower tier teams. Against teams with taller perimeter players he gets gunshy. I think he should be able to play the Heading role. But he needs to improve on D.
              Wright did well with the Gilas cadet team in the 2017 Jones Cup where he played beside Kiefer, Parks, Pogoy, Jalalon, Standhardinger. IIRC, he emerged as the team's leading local scorer in that tournament.

              Then he also played well with Gilas senior team in the 2017 FIBA Asia Cup with PBA elite players Japeth, Junmar, Romeo, Castro, Norwood. But since then medyo bumama na laro ni Wright sa FIBA basketball. He wasn't a factor offensively in the window qualifiers of the 2019 FIBA World Cup.

              To be honest, I expected Wright to be a better version of Jeff Chan in Gilas.
              "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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              • Originally posted by IPC View Post
                That's a great way to circumvent the rule, actually. That's similar to what I was thinking of. One-year contracts with the PBA team, tapos go abroad if there are still interested teams overseas.

                Can't be considered a draft dodger when you applied for the draft and fulfilled your contractual obligations.
                Hindi naman cguro pweding gumawa ng rule ang PBA na dapat a rookie should sign at least 2 or 3 years contract with his PBA team. That would be too much of an abused of civil rights.
                "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                • Originally posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
                  The Calvin Abueva issue noted by coach rajko. (Which probably also the reason Coach tab cut Calvn last 2015 OQT)

                  I think it should be a lesson to the pba.

                  Calvin is probably/arguably the best combo forward in pba right now.

                  But at 6'1-6'2. He should be a PG in International Competitions, which he is not.

                  And as Coach Rajko said he is not a good shooter.
                  Believe me when I say that in so far as Asian level basketball is concerned, Abueva is good enough. He more than proved that in the 2015 FIBA Asia Championship with Gilas under coach Tab. Nobody can deny that Abueva is among the key component of that team. He is easily among the top 4 performer of the team.

                  Of course its a whole a lot different story when we are already talking about world level basketball.
                  "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                  • Originally posted by IPC View Post
                    That's a great way to circumvent the rule, actually. That's similar to what I was thinking of. One-year contracts with the PBA team, tapos go abroad if there are still interested teams overseas.

                    Can't be considered a draft dodger when you applied for the draft and fulfilled your contractual obligations.
                    won't work as long as there is a standing offer from mother PBA ballclub, even if contract already expired and player won't sign ala Ray Parks and Greg Slaughter. once you sign that PBA contract, PBA owns you.

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                    • Originally posted by IPC View Post
                      That's a great way to circumvent the rule, actually. That's similar to what I was thinking of. One-year contracts with the PBA team, tapos go abroad if there are still interested teams overseas.

                      Can't be considered a draft dodger when you applied for the draft and fulfilled your contractual obligations.

                      Hypothetically speaking that is a good path for guys who doesn't want to be tied down to a PBA team.

                      I think, the problem is once they draft you they own your playing rights. You are at their mercy even if you don't have a live contract with them. They may not give you the clearance to play overseas or maybe you can play overseas but the PBA will ban you.

                      Any once you get inside the PBA mafia wala ka nang kawala. lol.

                      But yeah, seriously I think PBA teams will still have you on a leash even when you don't have a contract with them.

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                      • Originally posted by noyce View Post
                        won't work as long as there is a standing offer from mother PBA ballclub, even if contract already expired and player won't sign ala Ray Parks and Greg Slaughter. once you sign that PBA contract, PBA owns you.
                        Same sentiments here.

                        Its like signing a contract with the devil LOL

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                        • Originally posted by noyce View Post
                          won't work as long as there is a standing offer from mother PBA ballclub, even if contract already expired and player won't sign ala Ray Parks and Greg Slaughter. once you sign that PBA contract, PBA owns you.
                          Same sentiments here.

                          Its like signing a contract with the devil LOL

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                          • Originally posted by crush View Post
                            Same sentiments here.

                            Its like signing a contract with the devil LOL
                            maybe only the Javi and 1GDL can test that draft dodge rule since maybe their ultimate goal is to reach Euroleague. let's see if PBA indeed bans them 1-2 years from now.

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                            • Originally posted by noyce View Post
                              won't work as long as there is a standing offer from mother PBA ballclub, even if contract already expired and player won't sign ala Ray Parks and Greg Slaughter. once you sign that PBA contract, PBA owns you.
                              Well, that is when legal issues can come into play. How is it that yung team na nilaruan mo would have hold over you after your contract expired? I understand the principle of "right of first refusal", that is yung team na pinaglaruan mo in which you have an expired contract has the privilege of being the first to tender an offer sheet to you. However pag there's another team that tenders a bigger offer & your original team can't match, then wala nang magagawa yung original team mo. That is of course the rule involving PBA teams only.

                              But in principle, I think this should also be applicable involving non-PBA teams tendering offers to a PBA player with an expired contract.
                              "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                              • ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

                                I say pag magka legal issue ito & I hope it will, mahahalungkat that the anti-dodging rule is clearly unconstitutional.

                                The thing is, it doesn't take a lawyer or a law student or law graduate to understand that such anti-dodging rule is unconstitutional.

                                What right has the PBA have to deprive a Filipino basketball player from playing pro basketball abroad?
                                "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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