Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[thatweirdguy]

Here is how I see it in so far as my choices for Gilas big men for the 2023 World Cup:

Kai Sotto & AJ Edu are locked. My dilemma is choosing between Japeth & Junmar as I also believe having 4 natural centers in the team won't be good.

With Japeth, you have a mobile & athletic big guy but is a "softie". Junmar on the other hand, while physically tough, would be a deadweight in defending pick & roll or pick & pop plays. Mabigat talaga ang paa ni Junmar specially after that leg injury & of course wear & tear as well.

Agree with you. At least Jap and AJ could play the 4/backup 5. JMF is purely a C now. Man. I can still remember when we excited and were begging for him to get PT. Time flies fast.

[KoolAid]

Agree with you. At least Jap and AJ could play the 4/backup 5. JMF is purely a C now. Man. I can still remember when we excited and were begging for him to get PT. Time flies fast.

I can't imagine the uproar in the PBA/SMC camp if their 6 time MVP is not included in the final lineup. lmao SMC fantards will get mad

[mathematicianrcg]

Agree with you. At least Jap and AJ could play the 4/backup 5. JMF is purely a C now. Man. I can still remember when we excited and were begging for him to get PT. Time flies fast.

I think those 4 Centers will be put in the pool.

Kai is a lock but AJ, JMF, and Japeth

Whoever performs the worst will be cut, as he should be. If we are just limiting it to 3 Bigs.

Actually, the Swings also is a tryout waiting to happen

JC is a lock. But Parks, Perez, Dwight, Thirdy, Pogoy, Wright, and maybe Heading will fight for those spots.

PG, I think it will just be Scottie, Kiefer, and Bolick as the selection. Probably will only choose 1 or 2.

Combo Forwards - Obviously, Malonzo, Tamayo, and Baltazar

[NOiNU]

Unpopular take I have floated months ago?Japeth has to go if Edu is available. This was even when Japs had a nice showing in the windows he?s played in. Edu has the ability to contain the perimeter and guard the PnR, something both Japs and Junmar can?t. It really is between Junmar and Japeth.

Of course we could always have them both, but at what expense? I?d honestly won?t beef up the frontcourt by cutting a quality guard or wing. Any two of Tamayo, Baltazar and Malonzo should suffice to shore up the frontcourt and offer more game dynamics in the process. Why Junmar over Japs? Same reason: different things to offer.

[Rds]

Let's say Edu is not healthy enough. Which bigs will you pick aside from Kai? Kai, Japeth and Junemar?

[NOiNU]

Let's say Edu is not healthy enough. Which bigs will you pick aside from Kai? Kai, Japeth and Junemar?

Still the usual suspects in Tamayo, Baltazar and Malonzo. I’ve moved on from Erram for the world level. Time to infuse young bloods into Gilas.

[IPC]

Still the usual suspects in Tamayo, Baltazar and Malonzo. I’ve moved on from Erram for the world level. Time to infuse young bloods into Gilas.

Mason Amos, Seven Gagate, Gab Demisana too if they develop well.

Erram, Almazan, Chua, Belga, yeah, they should be the absolute last resorts at this point.

[C2Hamm]

Mason Amos, Seven Gagate, Gab Demisana too if they develop well.

Erram, Almazan, Chua, Belga, yeah, they should be the absolute last resorts at this point.

how are these 2 going to development more than the PBA players you mentioned in 7 months time? they will be playing\already playing for their local leagues and probably some offseason league after. the PBA players may have a chance to do some international games(SEA Games as the most sure thing for the next 2-3 months) or at the very least, play with whatever team CCR is building. the conversation is for 2023 WC.
as much as I like Amos, he's for the 2027 run.

[IPC]

how are these 2 going to development more than the PBA players you mentioned in 7 months time? they will be playing\already playing for their local leagues and probably some offseason league after. the PBA players may have a chance to do some international games(SEA Games as the most sure thing for the next 2-3 months) or at the very least, play with whatever team CCR is building. the conversation is for 2023 WC.
as much as I like Amos, he's for the 2027 run.

Almazan, Erram, and Chua are 33 going 34. Beau is 36 going 37. They're not gonna develop either. And the first two are poor FIBA performers, although Erram was nice last Asia Cup. Would rather take my chances on Geo Chiu, who's still 21 going 22. At least the three young bigs I mentioned have youth and potential.

My line of thinking is, if the vets are poor, might as well roll the dice on youth.

As to how they'll develop in 7 months, I think I',m just gonna have to rely on their mother teams and their work ethic.

[C2Hamm]

Almazan, Erram, and Chua are 33 going 34. Beau is 36 going 37. They're not gonna develop either. And the first two are poor FIBA performers, although Erram was nice last Asia Cup. Would rather take my chances on Geo Chiu, who's still 21 going 22. At least the three young bigs I mentioned have youth and potential.

My line of thinking is, if the vets are poor, might as well roll the dice on youth.

As to how they'll develop in 7 months, I think I',m just gonna have to rely on their mother teams and their work ethic.

im not against what you are saying but im just putting context. it doesnt really matter if the PBA players will develop or not. as long as they would be useful this World Cup, ayus na. i've been in this forum for sometime and almost always I will favor youth development. if there is time. if wala, we use what we have.

Other nation will send NBA players, players used as import for some other countries league, or just having significant FIBA experience. and you technically want us to send Kai with Seven and Gab? Kai is still young enough to need the experience. i wouldnt even call him a veteran of FIBA tournaments let alone Seven and Gab. and dont get me wrong, its not like I dont want them to play for flag, my position is use them in other tournaments, maybe the qualifications, but use the best we can for the 2023 world cup.

but looking at it differently, if you thinkg these 2 kids are better than the current PBA players. then our basketball in general is rubbish. imagine, 2 HS kids are better, because they will represnt the nation in a world cup, then seasoned veteran of the countries main basketball league.

[BJ_Reloaded]

I already said it before and I will say it again that despite that we already had some length in the 4 and 5 position to somehow match-up with the other bigs from the other countries, realistically speaking were still thin in that category. Were thankful we had 7’3 Kai, 6’10 AJ(still in the recovery stage), 6’10 Gian Chiu, AK34(still in the process of case build-up), 6’8 Justine Baltazar, 6’8 Mason Amos and 6’7 Carl Tamayo but those lads are still pre-schoolers as far as high level FIBA basketball are concern. As for Junemar and Japeth it’s no brainer that those two cannot carry the team majority of the game, the opposing team will surely do everything in the book to put them into early foul trouble and abuse them no end in the defensive end. Just look at the SMB-BAD series, JMF hasn’t pick-up the much needed momentum in the series because his always abuse in the defensive end hence his always in and out due to early foul trouble. As for the GSM-BAD series, Japeth was not comfortable all series long and kudos to CTC and his coaching staff they make a decent job in hiding the inefficiency of the dude in most part of the series. They’ve already know when to control him when he’s beginning to turn into a headless chicken, good thing JB and LA knows how to cover up for him in some crucial part of the series. That reported injury(bum stomach?) released via main stream media is exaggerated. Sobrang pambebeybi nila sa Mama eh(Trans. Don’t treat him like a baby, treat him like a Man.)

[DAdmiral]

if AJ can walk ( 50 %) i would go with him, we don't need him to even play all the games or heavy minutes ( 15 plus) , if he can play 2 games and play 10 mins ( that will do)

[C2Hamm]

if AJ can walk ( 50 %) i would go with him, we don't need him to even play all the games or heavy minutes ( 15 plus) , if he can play 2 games and play 10 mins ( that will do)

you already asked that in another thread and I gave you link from ESPN that he is playing 9.9mins a game. he is doing what you want. and if im not mistake, he had a game or 2 playing above 15mins. so no problem even if plays on all the games as long as mins is managed. he'll give you rebs (sure thing against D1 players already) and added defensive threat.

[DAdmiral]

Yes thats what I'm implying he's fit enough to play 2 or 3 games for just 10 mins, I would go with that..

Just to add for those limited minutes (10 mins) and not back to back, I don't think any of alternatives (not counting Kai) can provide the same rebounding and defensive presence.

[C2Hamm]

Yes thats what I'm implying he's fit enough to play 2 or 3 games for just 10 mins, I would go with that..

Just to add for those limited minutes (10 mins) and not back to back, I don't think any of alternatives (not counting Kai) can provide the same rebounding and defensive presence.

small pickings without Ange out front. 2027 is exciting. at the very least, we know (injury aside) Seven and Gab can be the new Chiu. 2 of them and more athletic. someone from PBA will always be worth having a look, so maybe someone will be by that time. and we are looking at prime Kai, AJ, Carl, and Balti. not saying all of them are will have sure spots but thats more to choose from then what we have now. and who knows, maybe some unknown filfor will surprise us leading to that edition of WC.