Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[Sikatrix]

you can't trust Japeth at the world level. doesn't know what to do inside the court.

We dont really have many options

[thatweirdguy]

Not IPC but we saw how tentative Japeth was for most of thr finals. Cant even take advantage of a speed mismatch against Liu. Kai will do decently but not heavy minutes. With only Japeth backing him and not Kouame or a healthy Edu our frontline is vulnerable

I've been saying this for a while. If Edu isn't healthy or isn't at the level we need him to be we won't achieve much. Teams would take advantage whenever Kai sits. You still won't know which Japeth is going to show up on each game.

Plus we'll be replacing Kouame's rebounding and rim protection with JC who's a notoriously bad defender.. this isn't going to end well for our Frontline

[live_evil]

we would need Fajardo as our banger. Kai, Edu, and Japeth aren't exactly going to win sumo matches with the world-level frontlines of other countries. A Marc Gasol elbow would be devastating to our lean frontliners.

[IPC]

The basketball program has to step up, even after the World Cup: https://sports.inquirer.net/493773/a...e-things-count

Here's the important part re: basketball program:

"If you limit yourself to judging Yeng Guiao based on his PBA avatar?the brash, temperamental, curse-spitting figure patrolling the Rain or Shine sideline?you will end up underappreciating the veteran coach?s genius.

He talks within the limits of his reality, careful to choose his words so that he does not end up with declarations he cannot back. Even Guiao?s coaching philosophy is grounded on the limits of his team vis-a-vis the PBA?s super squads, revealing a few tricks that he hopes will give him ?an inch or so of an advantage.?

?These little things,? Guiao said, ?when you put them together, will give us?at least?a fighting chance.?

?But don?t write about that because then, we lose what little edge we have,? he said, laughing.

Then, as as he sipped from his coffee cup, he pondered, among other things, the question: ?What should the Philippines gain from hosting the Fiba World Cup??

The question was posed because after the Samahang Basketball ng Pilipinas rode out a wave of criticism and undue hate over the performance of national coach and Gilas Pilipinas program director Chot Reyes, there was an early feeling that the national federation wants to get basketball?s centerpiece event over and done with.

Guiao could have swatted hard at the cottonball pitch of a question with generic answers like ?national pride? or a chance to showcase to the world the country?s love for a sport so incongruent with its natural physical attributes and abilities.

?What I really hope is that by getting exposed to the top national teams in the world and looking at how they build their teams for events like this,? said the one-time World Cup mentor.

For Guiao, there is an utmost urgency for the SBP to focus heavily on the grassroots.

It seems paradoxical, coming from a coach who is a proponent of building the national team out of the PBA?s talent pool. But, he argued, it?s sensible if you think of grassroots as the high school level.

For Guiao, it is a better way that trusting college leagues and schools to regularly open their doors to the national team and allow its talents to form a long-term cadet squad for future competitions.

?How many programs still do that today? How many successful programs?? Guiao said, adding it would be better to ?train talents at the high school level to imbibe the national team?s system so that it becomes second nature to them.?"

I'd like to add that we should focus on grassroots development of international-style players in skill, talent, and height, especially in the wing and four positions. Furthermore, if we are to "train talents at the high school level to imbibe the national team?s system so that it becomes second nature to them,? we need that system to be good enough, on offense, and especially on defense.

[Giannis34GOD]

The basketball program has to step up, even after the World Cup: https://sports.inquirer.net/493773/a...e-things-count

Here's the important part re: basketball program:

"If you limit yourself to judging Yeng Guiao based on his PBA avatar?the brash, temperamental, curse-spitting figure patrolling the Rain or Shine sideline?you will end up underappreciating the veteran coach?s genius.

He talks within the limits of his reality, careful to choose his words so that he does not end up with declarations he cannot back. Even Guiao?s coaching philosophy is grounded on the limits of his team vis-a-vis the PBA?s super squads, revealing a few tricks that he hopes will give him ?an inch or so of an advantage.?

?These little things,? Guiao said, ?when you put them together, will give us?at least?a fighting chance.?

?But don?t write about that because then, we lose what little edge we have,? he said, laughing.

Then, as as he sipped from his coffee cup, he pondered, among other things, the question: ?What should the Philippines gain from hosting the Fiba World Cup??

The question was posed because after the Samahang Basketball ng Pilipinas rode out a wave of criticism and undue hate over the performance of national coach and Gilas Pilipinas program director Chot Reyes, there was an early feeling that the national federation wants to get basketball?s centerpiece event over and done with.

Guiao could have swatted hard at the cottonball pitch of a question with generic answers like ?national pride? or a chance to showcase to the world the country?s love for a sport so incongruent with its natural physical attributes and abilities.

?What I really hope is that by getting exposed to the top national teams in the world and looking at how they build their teams for events like this,? said the one-time World Cup mentor.

For Guiao, there is an utmost urgency for the SBP to focus heavily on the grassroots.

It seems paradoxical, coming from a coach who is a proponent of building the national team out of the PBA?s talent pool. But, he argued, it?s sensible if you think of grassroots as the high school level.

For Guiao, it is a better way that trusting college leagues and schools to regularly open their doors to the national team and allow its talents to form a long-term cadet squad for future competitions.

?How many programs still do that today? How many successful programs?? Guiao said, adding it would be better to ?train talents at the high school level to imbibe the national team?s system so that it becomes second nature to them.?"

I'd like to add that we should focus on grassroots development of international-style players in skill, talent, and height, especially in the wing and four positions. Furthermore, if we are to "train talents at the high school level to imbibe the national team?s system so that it becomes second nature to them,? we need that system to be good enough, on offense, and especially on defense.

PBA/SBP has to adjust to the FIBA calendar... They are not NBA anyway... Other leagues adjust easily to the FIBA calendar... Even the likes of ACB, NBL, CBA, etc... has adjusted to the FIBA calendar...

[Metta]

I'd like to add that we should focus on grassroots development of international-style players in skill, talent, and height, especially in the wing and four positions. Furthermore, if we are to "train talents at the high school level to imbibe the national team?s system so that it becomes second nature to them,? we need that system to be good enough, on offense, and especially on defense.

We could never go wrong by focusing on grassroots development. If we want lasting success, we need long-term strategies. And we don't need to reinvent the wheel, let us study countries with success in terms of development and start from there. For starters our neighbors Japan and SK (in terms of producing D1 and nba talent). And Australia is very informative because their process is very well-defined like what DAdmiral listed.

[mathematicianrcg]

we would need Fajardo as our banger. Kai, Edu, and Japeth aren't exactly going to win sumo matches with the world-level frontlines of other countries. A Marc Gasol elbow would be devastating to our lean frontliners.

I guess our Frontline will be

Kai, Japeth, JMF, and Not 100% Edu

They all have concerns. But they are the best we can offer. I mean who else is 6'10 above Center (gilas eligible) who is more capable than the 4 bigs above? ( I mean Center, Not PF like Tamayo)

Every Player has weakness. It is in the coaching staff how you minimize your weakness, and maximize your team strengths.

So, hopefully our coaches will put a good defensive scheme with the help of that new european coach.
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I mean after them, we dont have many options. Almazan? Geo Chiu? Erram? Justin Chua? Ian Sanggalang?


With all due respect, I will pick Kai, JMF, Japeth, and AJ over them anyday.

[DAdmiral]

not counting Kai, i would get only 2 of the 3 ( 4 centers is too much and depleting the other spots)

[mathematicianrcg]

not counting Kai, i would get only 2 of the 3 ( 4 centers is too much and depleting the other spots)

So aside from Kai.

Who would you choose?

[DAdmiral]

Japs and AJ ( even at 50 %), japs can split mins at 5/4

[IPC]

Japs and AJ ( even at 50 %), japs can split mins at 5/4

Might need a banger with Kai, AJ, and Japeth, although I understand where you're coming from (rim protection and defense). Who will be that guy if not June Mar? Carl and Mason, perhaps?

[BJ_Reloaded]

I guess our Frontline will be

Kai, Japeth, JMF, and Not 100% Edu

They all have concerns. But they are the best we can offer. I mean who else is 6'10 above Center (gilas eligible) who is more capable than the 4 bigs above? ( I mean Center, Not PF like Tamayo)

Every Player has weakness. It is in the coaching staff how you minimize your weakness, and maximize your team strengths.

So, hopefully our coaches will put a good defensive scheme with the help of that new european coach.
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I mean after them, we dont have many options. Almazan? Geo Chiu? Erram? Justin Chua? Ian Sanggalang?


With all due respect, I will pick Kai, JMF, Japeth, and AJ over them anyday.

not counting Kai, i would get only 2 of the 3 ( 4 centers is too much and depleting the other spots)

So aside from Kai.

Who would you choose?

Japs and AJ ( even at 50 %), japs can split mins at 5/4

Might need a banger with Kai, AJ, and Japeth, although I understand where you're coming from (rim protection and defense). Who will be that guy if not June Mar? Carl and Mason, perhaps?

Carl and Balti can fill-up some few minutes in the 5 spots if worse come to worse but not the entire 40 minutes of the game(Almazan, Erram, Greg toss-up for that 12th spot) if only AK34 becomes local in the eyes of FIBA…he really needs to play in the PBA same treatment just like any Filipinos and at the same time pile up more things for that basketball heritage thing as part of his case build-up to be presented to the Sec Gen and his Technical Eligibility committee.

[IPC]

We don't really need a pure PG. Just guys who can do their roles properly against quality competition. I don't want to keep playing the same guys who sucked previously and who'll probably continue to suck again.

Let's try something new naman

Yeah, we need players who can perform well in the international stage against good competition. Kai, Dwight, and maybe Carl, Parks, and Heading come to mind from the current crop of FIBA-fit players. Then surround them with a mix of veterans that can fill needs, and youngsters that can also fill needs while having the potential to perform well.

I agree with trying something new after the WC. Even in the qualifiers and for this WC, let's do something new, that works or can work. In the absence of a pure PG, we need players that have enough sense to find the open man when he doesn't have an opening, can't create an opening, or when somebody closes out on him and he has a more open teammate. Read and react. And, we need tall, versatile and/or high-upside players, especially at the 3 and 4 positions. And a better defensive culture.

[JAMSKIE]

Here is how I see it in so far as my choices for Gilas big men for the 2023 World Cup:

Kai Sotto & AJ Edu are locked. My dilemma is choosing between Japeth & Junmar as I also believe having 4 natural centers in the team won't be good.

With Japeth, you have a mobile & athletic big guy but is a "softie". Junmar on the other hand, while physically tough, would be a deadweight in defending pick & roll or pick & pop plays. Mabigat talaga ang paa ni Junmar specially after that leg injury & of course wear & tear as well.

[Supremo30]

With the recent injury of Dwight Ramos we badly need a high level perimeter defender in the 1 and 2 position to somehow limit the production of the likes of the dangerous Wael Arakji of LEB and Dar Tucker of JOR and currently there are two guys that I think can fit the bill namely 6?5 Gabe Norwood and 6?4 Ken Tuffin. I keep on mentioning Gabe in some thread about his ability to step in the plate in the FIBA level despite the fact that the dude was already in his mid-30?s and all of us are fully aware that he was not that productive last 2019 WC due to father time is now catching up and that ill-fated team are not there to compete but only to participate. But were talking about our hosting of WC 2023 here, I know if given a chance just for the last time and we cannot argue his desire and commitment on wearing that Gilas jersey, I think Gabe can still compete on that level for as long as the coaching staff put up a much longer preparation with a better offensive and defensive scheme and avoid too much DDO(dribble dribble offense) until Kingdom. This 6th Window will be the gauge if he still had some gas in his tank. As for KT well, we are fully aware of his skills-set and what he can bring on the table, being a two-way guy we badly need a new triggerman and a defensive guy to defend the other hitman from the otherside.

Another guy that immediately pop up in my mind is the 6?5 Roosevelt Adams, with his stint at the B.League and plenty of reps already compared the last time, can he be the other option for our much critical 2-way guy?

Here is how I see it in so far as my choices for Gilas big men for the 2023 World Cup:

Kai Sotto & AJ Edu are locked. My dilemma is choosing between Japeth & Junmar as I also believe having 4 natural centers in the team won't be good.

With Japeth, you have a mobile & athletic big guy but is a "softie". Junmar on the other hand, while physically tough, would be a deadweight in defending pick & roll or pick & pop plays. Mabigat talaga ang paa ni Junmar specially after that leg injury & of course wear & tear as well.

Right now, I'll pick JMF rather than AJ Edu. Talking to this coming WC, JMF is a much more logical choice than Edu. JMF has already proven himself that he can compete with the other bigs in International competitions. Let's remember that, not all nations who will participate in the WC have an agile big, especially the African countries, they still use the traditional bigs who bangs inside to produce score.

AJ is still good, but his time will come maybe this Asian Games.