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  • Originally posted by IPC View Post
    Hopefully Kai does become that go-to-guy for us by 2023. It's gonna mark the start for us. Our team will be big-centric (to an extent) rather than guard-centric, hopefully.
    Originally posted by neo View Post
    one of d go-to-guys is good enough.

    besides, as of now, i think kai, baltazar, and ramos are d only shoo-ins in d 2023 WC.
    Actually, multiple go-to guys can be good for a team if they can stick to the system for much of the shot clock. We'll have multiple failsafes just in case.

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    • Originally posted by shamuibilog View Post
      Listening to coach Chot and Ronnie in cnn sportsroom, they are of the opinion that on the question whether to add pros, they are one in saying that "... wag na galawin...", I guess if we truly want to prepare this Gilas team then we need not disrupt the program and just plan and workout our gaps, with cadets or new cadets
      Originally posted by reamily View Post
      Masasabi kaya nila an pag may uaap na
      For the 2023 WC, I project our collegiate players to be unavailable for only the November 2021 and November 2022 windows, and our HS players to be unavailable for the November 2021, February 2022, November 2022, and February 2023 windows. Unless if the collegiate leagues are going to give way for FIBA windows.

      I think our guys will be more than enough for the WC windows. Plus, we have the Gilas draftees.

      The problem is the main FIBA tournaments. The collegiate leagues start in August or September, where FIBA tournaments are held. Will the collegiate leagues be willing to adjust their schedules to accommodate the WC and Asia Cup?

      Man, hopefully, most of the top guys will be out of the Philippines and play abroad by 2023 (and the stupid draft-dodging rule ruled unconstitutional or unlawful).

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      • The good thing about Navarro is that he ain't possession heavy, we also gotta notice the type of passes that he was able to make while he's at the 3 point line because of his size but also because he was lightly guarded in that area. The dude has a few impressive assists that reminds me of European teams on offense, espescially Serbia, using their taller guys not only to aim at the rim but to open up opportunities for others, his passing and vision imo is better than Oftana while their ballhandling skills is about the same, Oftana has obviously better range. Navarro's defensive awareness is better imo, I don't see Oftana making the types of closeouts that Navarro was making that disrupted Korea's shooters, because he doesn't have the mobility, for reference 10:52 of the video below, maybe Jayvee Mocon but Navarro is a Tab system player so he has the edge there



        Navarro doesn't have to be an elite scorer or ballhandler but he can definitely be a sleeper player that scouts of other teams would almost always underestimate, he just needs to stop dribbling off his foot, learn to pass better and ofc be a decent 3 point shooter, no need to hit contested shots ala Tatum but definitely be someone who can hit open ones with enough consistency.

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        • Originally posted by sajubeads View Post
          That's the PBA Weight but FIBA Wright is too indecisive and gunshy...

          He's a gunner in the Asian tournaments,does the Norwood when they're non asian opponents.

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          • Originally posted by sajubeads View Post
            That's the PBA Weight but FIBA Wright is too indecisive and gunshy...
            Yup, that is why I emphasized "Matthew Wright at Phoenix". With Phoenix in the PBA, Wright is the go-to-guy but he facilitates well.

            Wright with Gilas took the role of a shooter but as most posters here had observed, he was too hesitant & indecisive in taking 3-point shots & looked easily bothered by the size & lenght of opponents.
            "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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            • Originally posted by Jackie Reaper View Post
              What sets apart from a motion and continuity offense is that in motion offense, it is basically read and react play and free flowing one (i.e. Dribble Drive Offense). On the other hand, continuity offense follows a pattern where you can do it through and through until you go back to the original formation (i.e. Triangle Offense, Flex Offense, Ballscreen Motion).
              Technically, triangle is a combination of motion and continuity, as it's essentially a read and react; its patterns are dictated by the defense.

              Actually, got me thinking. The triangle may be an offense suited to us, as we have players that can post-up. All the offense needs is an initiator, not essentially a facilitator (which our current PGs are not).

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              • @empyreanmaze

                Navarro's role with Gilas is the same as his role at Ateneo, except that in Ateneo, he played as a four while with Gilas he plays as a 3. But just like at Ateneo, Navarro is also a mere role player with Gilas & is among the least option in offense. The good thing is, Navarro embraces such role well.

                Now, Calvin Oftana & Kobe Paras aren't products of the same factory as Navarro, so to speak. While Navarro is a role player in his college team, both Oftana & Kobe are the focal points of offense in their respective college teams. Kobe & Oftana are obviously the stars of their respective college teams. Hence, it remains to be seen whether they can embrace the role of mere role players in a talent laden team like Gilas.
                "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                • Originally posted by IPC View Post
                  Technically, triangle is a combination of motion and continuity, as it's essentially a read and react; its patterns are dictated by the defense.

                  Actually, got me thinking. The triangle may be an offense suited to us, as we have players that can post-up. All the offense needs is an initiator, not essentially a facilitator (which our current PGs are not).
                  I will try to watch our 1998 Centennial Team headed by Tim Cone. I believe that the weaknesses of Triangle was exposed there especially the predictable entry passes.

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                  • Originally posted by Jackie Reaper View Post
                    I will try to watch our 1998 Centennial Team headed by Tim Cone. I believe that the weaknesses of Triangle was exposed there especially the predictable entry passes.
                    The Centennial team was good enough against the lower tier Asian teams at that time - Taiwan, Saudi Arabia (1998 Jones Cup) UAE, Kyrgyztan (Asian Games) but struggled big time vs. the top Asian teams - China, South Korea & Kazakhstan. I think the sheer talent of the Centennials was enough to easily beat the lower tier asian teams.

                    I remember an expert saying that coach Tim Cone's triangle offense would not work against the zone & that the size & length of a team like China is going to disrupt the passing lanes during the execution of the triangle offense.
                    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                    • Javi just signed for Ibaraki Robots, a B.League Division 1 team: tbti.me/s20bep

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                      • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                        @empyreanmaze

                        Navarro's role with Gilas is the same as his role at Ateneo, except that in Ateneo, he played as a four while with Gilas he plays as a 3. But just like at Ateneo, Navarro is also a mere role player with Gilas & is among the least option in offense. The good thing is, Navarro embraces such role well.

                        Now, Calvin Oftana & Kobe Paras aren't products of the same factory as Navarro, so to speak. While Navarro is a role player in his college team, both Oftana & Kobe are the focal points of offense in their respective college teams. Kobe & Oftana are obviously the stars of their respective college teams. Hence, it remains to be seen whether they can embrace the role of mere role players in a talent laden team like Gilas.
                        Navarro is more of a defensive player right now in the mold of Gabe Norwood. He covers the interior if need be.

                        He has 3~ highlight blocks then taking the balls straight with a jam or assist and many more intangibles. Best of all he embraces, as you said the role to the hilt. I am not sure about his field goals but he seldom takes shots but he surely can drive hard if need be, assist inside, and decently hit the 3 points. In his youth in Greece, he is known as a shooter. They can revitalize that

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                        • ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

                          That's nice!

                          Question: Could Javi be considered a "violator" of the shitty anti-dodging law of the PBA?

                          Sorry ha, I'm not well adversed with that rule & I don't want to be well adversed with such a shitty rule.
                          "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                          • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                            ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

                            That's nice!

                            Question: Could Javi be considered a "violator" of the shitty anti-dodging law of the PBA?

                            Sorry ha, I'm not well adversed with that rule & I don't want to be well adversed with such a shitty rule.
                            Not yet. He can be considered a 'violator' only after two drafts from now and he doesn't join.

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                            • Originally posted by ARMIR View Post
                              He's a gunner in the Asian tournaments,does the Norwood when they're non asian opponents.
                              Wright last good performance was 2017 FIBA Asia Cup right before he entered the PBA....Does his PBA stint made him a poor FIBA player?

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                              • Originally posted by IPC View Post
                                Javi just signed for Ibaraki Robots, a B.League Division 1 team: tbti.me/s20bep
                                Good for him. Hopefully he is slotted as an SF. He needs a lot of work though based on his last outing.

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