Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[mathematicianrcg]

And that's the concern for this world cup, none of the 3 bigs above who possess that defensive and rebounding centric game are likely to available. Which begs the question , who then in the team plays that critical role ( defensive rebounding active big?)

I think AJ will be chosen. Albeit will play control minutes.

Kai, Japeth. As much as you don't like their Motor and Strength, they will be the Main Centers in the team just like last window..

JMF will be chosen too. But if he can't guard PNR, he will most likely be in situational mins too.

Just employ team rebounding with Scottie and other Non Big Rebounders.

Rebounding should be team effort anyway

[mathematicianrcg]

Asian Games to Fiba Asia from 90s to 2010s. We have been on top 5 except for 2017. Our 3pt shooting a issue for us thou

I wonder why we struggled in shooting?

Is it because we emphasized 1 on 1 skills like Driving and Post Game more.

Who is our Best Guard/Wing Shooters now?

I think for WC, it will be Clarkson (an NP), Parks, and Dwight right?

[IPC]

I still want Reyes out. He honestly sucks as a development coach. Navarro and Oftana were rendered useless in his system.

We need Navarro and Oftana for their positions, e. Navarro's valuable as a wing stopper, and can move the ball and move without the ball, and Oftana is a rare breed of 6'5" SF who can play 2 and create his own shot as well as defend. Oftana did play well with TNT when Mikey Williams was suspended, though. But with Gilas, he was superseded by JC, Dwight, and Parks (although they can move to 2 to accommodate Oftana and Navarro).

Come to think of it, the only younger ones who truly shone under Chot were Carl (in the Asia Cup) and Dwight. Veteran coach talaga siya. Nothing wrong with picking vets, but you need to develop promising talent as well. Balance winning with development.

[JAMSKIE]

Guys, is there a big possibility that Kai, Japeth, Junmar & AJ Edu make it to the final 12-man roster in the 2023 FIBA World Cup? I just hope not all 4 of them makes it to the final-12 man roster. I just hope only 3 of them makes it.

I would want Kai, Edu & Japeth make it to the final 12-man roster. Junmar for me is just too slow for the FIBA game. He has gotten slower in the last 2 years. Junmar's thumbcard is his back-to-the-basket low post moves which he does so well in the PBA. Problem is, at the world level, he won't be able to do that against stronger, tougher & skilled centers. And at the world level, Junmar's lack of quickness & mobility would be exposed.

Japeth & Edu would be able to cope up with the fast phase game of world level basketball & would be quick & mobile enough to defend the PnR plays of the opponent.s

[thatweirdguy]

We need Navarro and Oftana for their positions, e. Navarro's valuable as a wing stopper, and can move the ball and move without the ball, and Oftana is a rare breed of 6'5" SF who can play 2 and create his own shot as well as defend. Oftana did play well with TNT when Mikey Williams was suspended, though. But with Gilas, he was superseded by JC, Dwight, and Parks (although they can move to 2 to accommodate Oftana and Navarro).

Come to think of it, the only younger ones who truly shone under Chot were Carl (in the Asia Cup) and Dwight. Veteran coach talaga siya. Nothing wrong with picking vets, but you need to develop promising talent as well. Balance winning with development.

Chot could have played Oftana more though he probably still prefers Pogoy. Both guys play for him in TNT so he knows them well.

I dunno if Malonzo would thrive under Chot though given he's still relatively young and didn't get much PT last time

[thatweirdguy]

Guys, is there a big possibility that Kai, Japeth, Junmar & AJ Edu make it to the final 12-man roster in the 2023 FIBA World Cup? I just hope not all 4 of them makes it to the final-12 man roster. I just hope only 3 of them makes it.

I would want Kai, Edu & Japeth make it to the final 12-man roster. Junmar for me is just too slow for the FIBA game. He has gotten slower in the last 2 years. Junmar's thumbcard is his back-to-the-basket low post moves which he does so well in the PBA. Problem is, at the world level, he won't be able to do that against stronger, tougher & skilled centers. And at the world level, Junmar's lack of quickness & mobility would be exposed.

Japeth & Edu would be able to cope up with the fast phase game of world level basketball & would be quick & mobile enough to defend the PnR plays of the opponent.s

Yeah slow footed bigmen aren't exactly ideal at the international stage. Our defense would suffer whenever Kai sits especially with our undersized PFs and JC. And Kai himself isn't exactly Gobert

[Rodbi]

And, you can be strong inside without sacrificing mobility. And I also said once about June Mar's rice intake, yeah, he likes rice, but that should come with the corresponding conditioning to ensure that he can still be a force inside while not sacrificing mobility, to offset any possible weight gain.

Sayang. OK, he's serviceable in FIBA as a scoring option and rebounding presence, but yeah, he could have been more on defense, both in FIBA and the PBA. And, feeding him inside a little more could help.

I guess it's just me but Junmar could have had a game patterned to Alonzo Mourning's. The man had a decent perimeter J but was beast in rebounds and blocks in his prime.

[IPC]

I guess it's just me but Junmar could have had a game patterned to Alonzo Mourning's. The man had a decent perimeter J but was beast in rebounds and blocks in his prime.

Mourning was also mobile for a big, and could play both positions. And yeah, he was a beast on defense.

Could June Mar emulate the mobility and ability to play both positions, though?

[IPC]

That 6'8-6'9 Pingris has been on my bucket list for quite a while.

We already got our 6'8 RdO in Carl Tamayo.

We just need a 6'8-6'9 Pingris.

Any takers? Money is on Geo Chiu as he already has the upper body strength. He just needs to establish his presence on the paint.

Just thought about this sentiment from interxavierxxx, who resigned from IBN a few months ago. 6'4" Pingris was undersized, but he had fight, motor, and defensive versatility. He could guard the perimeter in switches thanks to his athleticism.

If we could have a 6'6"-6'7" version of Ping, that would be nice. Homegrown or foreign-based.

[Rodbi]

Mourning was also mobile for a big, and could play both positions. And yeah, he was a beast on defense.

Could June Mar emulate the mobility and ability to play both positions, though?

He could have. For a Pinoy homegrown big, he isn't really flat footed and has shown very decent mobility, more so when he was in his early 20's. It's just that his offense was molded for a traditional bigman's (which is even better than what Zo ever had, IMO), puro interior at kaldagan, hence the necessity of mass/weight increase in his 2nd or 3rd season in the PBA, and closing the door of any possibility for him to incorporate a decent perimeter shooting or an effective stretch-five's role.

On defense, while it was motor and mentality that Zo has a definitive advantage on (he's the typical 90's NBA bruiser but an elite one at that), Junmar could have been at least half of the defensive animal Mourning was if only he had managed well his weight gain, just to improve his motor. That could offset a lot on his offensive output but a 15-15-3 bpg PBA statline and some other hustle stats that don't show up on the scoreboard wouldn' have been so bad and could have still netted him and SMB those MVP awards/championships. I also believe that such version of Junmar could have translated well to FIBA, at any level or context, kahit sino pa ang coach.

[NOiNU]

Just thought about this sentiment from interxavierxxx, who resigned from IBN a few months ago. 6'4" Pingris was undersized, but he had fight, motor, and defensive versatility. He could guard the perimeter in switches thanks to his athleticism.

If we could have a 6'6"-6'7" version of Ping, that would be nice. Homegrown or foreign-based.

Nothing wrong with that fantasy player but his example is a bit on the uber optimistic side. Ping can actually guard 1-5. Geo can hardly guard 4s. This is the same dude that argues Isaac Go can play the 3 for Gilas, so I’m not surprised.

[JAMSKIE]

I'm much more interested about how a Gilas pool would look like in the post-2023 FIBA World Cup than in the 2023 FIBA World Cup per se. Its becoz we already have a good idea of which players would most likely make it to the final-12 man roster for the World Cup. Of course names such as Kai, Dwight Ramos, Iskati, Parks, Japeth, Fajardo, Clarkson, CJ Perez are the most likely players that would make it to the 12-man roster. Alam na talaga natin that those players will most likely make it to the World Cup.

But for the post-World Cup Gilas composition, medyo its still a guessing game. Most likely guys like Japeth, Junmar & Pogoy won't be around for Gilas by that time.

[sroth3839]

Just thought about this sentiment from interxavierxxx, who resigned from IBN a few months ago. 6'4" Pingris was undersized, but he had fight, motor, and defensive versatility. He could guard the perimeter in switches thanks to his athleticism.

If we could have a 6'6"-6'7" version of Ping, that would be nice. Homegrown or foreign-based.

Ping wasn't overly athletic but what stood out was his grit and hustle to go for loose balls. That's something I don't see much of in today's big men like Chiu.

Nothing wrong with that fantasy player but his example is a bit on the uber optimistic side. Ping can actually guard 1-5. Geo can hardly guard 4s. This is the same dude that argues Isaac Go can play the 3 for Gilas, so I’m not surprised.

6'6-6'8 PF's appear to be the norm now with guys like Tamayo, Baltazar, Navarro, etc. Though they are more like stretch 4s with so-so rebounding.

I don't see us consistently producing 6'9+ players every generation like Edu or Kai. This is why our NP should still be 2014 Andray Blatche types. Not really high on 34 yo Brownlee being naturalized.

I'm much more interested about how a Gilas pool would look like in the post-2023 FIBA World Cup than in the 2023 FIBA World Cup per se. Its becoz we already have a good idea of which players would most likely make it to the final-12 man roster for the World Cup. Of course names such as Kai, Dwight Ramos, Iskati, Parks, Japeth, Fajardo, Clarkson, CJ Perez are the most likely players that would make it to the 12-man roster. Alam na talaga natin that those players will most likely make it to the World Cup.

But for the post-World Cup Gilas composition, medyo its still a guessing game. Most likely guys like Japeth, Junmar & Pogoy won't be around for Gilas by that time.

With how unpredictable things are nowadays, I don't really want to think about post-2023 WC until the actual post-2023 WC. Too many X-factors and idiotic people running our federation.

[IPC]

Ping wasn't overly athletic but what stood out was his grit and hustle to go for loose balls. That's something I don't see much of in today's big men like Chiu.



6'6-6'8 PF's appear to be the norm now with guys like Tamayo, Baltazar, Navarro, etc. Though they are more like stretch 4s with so-so rebounding.

I don't see us consistently producing 6'9+ players every generation like Edu or Kai. This is why our NP should still be 2014 Andray Blatche types. Not really high on 34 yo Brownlee being naturalized.

Actually, Balti's a good rebounder in FIBA play, averaging 6.9 RPG in 7 games. Good help defender too. Carl also improved his rebounding in the UAAP. Navarro on the other hand is more of a wing who just plays 4.

[sroth3839]

Actually, Balti's a good rebounder in FIBA play, averaging 6.9 RPG in 7 games. Good help defender too. Carl also improved his rebounding in the UAAP. Navarro on the other hand is more of a wing who just plays 4.

?Good? in my books is 10-11 rpg. This is the rebounding statline we need to challenge the Ali Haidars, Zaid Abbasses, Zhou Qis, and Angus Brandt?s on the interior.

Like I said, the current guys all lack the grit and hustle of Ping. Kulang pa.

Look no further than former Chicago Bull Dennis Rodman. Guy was only 6’7 and he was quite a rebounding devil.