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  • #6631
    Schonny Winston, Koon (if eligible), Personally Id take Stockton over Black because of his defense and length at 6'2
    OT: I wish Gabe Norwood can still play for Gilas at 37-38 years old but this time primarily as a PG and not the best wing defender he's known for as we now have Malonzo,Parks,Ramos. Gabe and Japeth for 2023 Worlds

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    • #6632
      Originally posted by carmelo7 View Post
      Schonny Winston, Koon (if eligible), Personally Id take Stockton over Black because of his defense and length at 6'2
      OT: I wish Gabe Norwood can still play for Gilas at 37-38 years old but this time primarily as a PG and not the best wing defender he's known for as we now have Malonzo,Parks,Ramos. Gabe and Japeth for 2023 Worlds
      What has Stockton shown in the PBA aside from his defense?? Aaron Black is a legit starting G in the PBA while Stockton is like an 6th-7th man on his team lmao

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      • #6633
        Originally posted by carmelo7 View Post
        I hope Konov,Gagate and Amos all of whom are atleast 6'7 along with future eligibles in Ballungy & Lucero can be those guys
        That should be a point of emphasis for Gilas. Focus on defense from top to bottom, and recruit and develop players that can defend multiple positions. Konov, Caelum, Francis Lopez could be a start. Hope Mason and Seven can develop into defenders who can switch to the perimeter, and we can develop more of those.

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        • #6634
          Originally posted by Yessuh29 View Post
          What has Stockton shown in the PBA aside from his defense?? Aaron Black is a legit starting G in the PBA while Stockton is like an 6th-7th man on his team lmao
          Another amateur Lol
          You mean a legit starting PG on his dad's team??? Lol

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          • #6635
            Originally posted by carmelo7 View Post
            Another amateur Lol
            You mean a legit starting PG on his dad's team??? Lol
            Bro, I don't think Aaron became a starting point guard at Meralco & has been getting the playing time becoz of favoritism as his dad is the coach of Meralco. That is clearly not the case. Aaron has earned his spot & playing time in his team. A player won't play as good as that mainly out of favoritism. Pag wala ka talagang ibubuga, no amount of favoritism or nyphoticism would be enough for you to play that well. We have seen that in the cases of Dodot Jaworski in the mid-90's & Manny Pacquiao in the 2010's.

            I think nobody here in this forum would agree with U that Aaron Black is playing like this all becoz of favoritism.
            "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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            • #6636
              Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
              Bro, I don't think Aaron became a starting point guard at Meralco & has been getting the playing time becoz of favoritism as his dad is the coach of Meralco. That is clearly not the case. Aaron has earned his spot & playing time in his team. A player won't play as good as that mainly out of favoritism. Pag wala ka talagang ibubuga, no amount of favoritism or nyphoticism would be enough for you to play that well. We have seen that in the cases of Dodot Jaworski in the mid-90's & Manny Pacquiao in the 2010's.

              I think nobody here in this forum would agree with U that Aaron Black is playing like this all becoz of favoritism.
              If that's the case the i don't think you fully understand what nepotism is. Its the act of using power or influence to get good jobs or unfair advantages for members of your own family which Aaron clearly got. Now if he has proven that he's good enough for the PBA then good for him but NOT BEFORE getting into Meralco 1st and having provided the leeway to improve. If he started with another team, had time to develop and traded to his Dad's team then sure but Norman made sure he was drafted and was given opportunities that may not have been given if he wasn't with Meralco.
              Again I like the game of Aaron i wish we could swap him for LA Tenorio lol or we could've gotten him over Pinto but obviously Norman wouldnt allow something like that.
              It's like having a rich father and getting you "employed" in his company and lets you start off as a staff to one of the depts to learn the INs and Outs (earning his spots) and after a year makes you a VP for Operations and part of the Board. And clearly these kids are good because they're mostly US educated etc.
              Noone's saying he's not a good player NOW its the unfair advantages he had.
              But that's life lol
              And while we're at it let's identify his competition for Gilas PG spot for the next 5-7 years:

              Winston for sure if he's healthy he'll be on the Feb window and he's just 24.
              Koon I assumed would be eligible by then and he's 21-22
              considering Alec Stockton may be laughable now but he's 6'2 athletic and aggressive defensively (as the 12th man sure not as a starting PG for Gilas)
              Nonoy of DLSU
              JGDL of Lithuania lol
              I think the ideal setup is to get the PG chores by committee wherein combo
              guards will be alternating on these duties much like what Iskati,Perez,Dwight and Parks are doing now
              Last edited by carmelo7; 12-03-2022, 02:45 AM.

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              • #6637
                Originally posted by carmelo7 View Post
                If that's the case the i don't think you fully understand what nepotism is. Its the act of using power or influence to get good jobs or unfair advantages for members of your own family which Aaron clearly got. Now if he has proven that he's good enough for the PBA then good for him but NOT BEFORE getting into Meralco 1st and having provided the leeway to improve. If he started with another team, had time to develop and traded to his Dad's team then sure but Norman made sure he was drafted and was given opportunities that may not have been given if he wasn't with Meralco.
                Again I like the game of Aaron i wish we could swap him for LA Tenorio lol or we could've gotten him over Pinto but obviously Norman wouldnt allow something like that.
                It's like having a rich father and getting you "employed" in his company and lets you start off as a staff to one of the depts to learn the INs and Outs (earning his spots) and after a year makes you a VP for Operations and part of the Board. And clearly these kids are good because they're mostly US educated etc.
                Noone's saying he's not a good player NOW its the unfair advantages he had.
                But that's life lol
                But the way you reacted with Yessuh29's post, its as if you think that the only reason why Aaron Black became a starting point guard at Meralco is becoz he is the son of the team's head coach. That's clearly marginalizing & maligning Aaron's playing capabilities. Yes, I get it that because Aaron is the son of team's head coach, he got the breaks that he needed which catapulted him to the kind of player that he is right now. Kumbaga eh, he got the breaks that some other player were deprived of. But the thing is, Aaron has proven that he deserved the breaks that he got. And that what is important. If Aaron sucked despite of the breaks that he got from his father, then shame on him & his father. The thing is, that is not the case.

                Its funny that you're saying that you like Aaron's game yet you said, "i wish we could swap him for LA Tenorio lol or we could've gotten him over Pinto but obviously Norman wouldnt allow something like that". What a sarcasm right there. Its very clear that you're marginalizing Aaron. As they say, if it swims like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then what is it?

                Really, you would trade an Aaron Black for an ageing LA Tenorio (I know tenorio was an excellent point guard but he's past his prime already)? Or Aaron Black for a Pinto? I wonder what has Pinto proven in the PBA?
                Last edited by JAMSKIE; 12-03-2022, 03:03 AM.
                "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                • #6638
                  Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                  But the way you reacted with Yessuh29's post, its as if you think that the only reason why Aaron Black became a starting point guard at Meralco is becoz he is the son of the team's head coach. That's clearly marginalizing & maligning Aaron's playing capabilities. Yes, I get it that because Aaron is the son of team's head coach, he got the breaks that he needed which catapulted him to the kind of player that he is right now. Kumbaga eh, he got the breaks that some other player were deprived of. But the thing is, Aaron has proven that he deserved the breaks that he got. And that what is important. If Aaron sucked despite of the breaks that he got from his father, then shame on him & his father. The thing is, that is not the case.

                  Its funny that you're saying that you like Aaron's game yet you said, "i wish we could swap him for LA Tenorio lol or we could've gotten him over Pinto but obviously Norman wouldnt allow something like that". What a sarcasm right there. Its very clear that you're marginalizing Aaron. As they say, if it swims like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then what is it?

                  Really, you would trade an Aaron Black for an ageing LA Tenorio (I know tenorio was an excellent point guard but he's past his prime already)? Or Aaron Black for a Pinto? I wonder what has Pinto proven in the PBA?
                  I dont think you understand me at all triggered ka eh. And yet you acknowleged he got the 'breaks' thru his dad, so its only Nepotism if you dont deliver the desired results? I even made a comparison to a corporate setup and all and yet you still dont get it? Its the undue advantages that makes it wrong not the player that he becomes. And
                  Im saying Aaron is a much better player NOW than Tenorio & Pinto thus the swap thing that is clearly to Ginebra's advantage, and as a fan of the franchise why would I not agree to that swap if its real?

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                  • #6639
                    Originally posted by carmelo7 View Post
                    I dont think you understand me at all triggered ka eh. And yet you acknowleged he got the 'breaks' thru his dad, so its only Nepotism if you dont deliver the desired results? I even made a comparison to a corporate setup and all and yet you still dont get it? Its the undue advantages that makes it wrong not the player that he becomes. And
                    Im saying Aaron is a much better player NOW than Tenorio & Pinto thus the swap thing that is clearly to Ginebra's advantage, and as a fan of the franchise why would I not agree to that swap if its real?
                    Please read again your reaction to Yessuh29's post & ponder on it. Tinawag mo pang amateur si Yessuh29. Sarcasm
                    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                    • #6640
                      So you call me out for supposedly "marginalizing" Black but not his comments on Stockton? That he shouldnt be considered for Gilas because he's merely a 6th-7th man on his team? I smell the scent of hypocrisy
                      And you're here to tell me I cant be sarcastic to that?

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                      • #6641
                        Originally posted by carmelo7 View Post
                        I dont think you understand me at all triggered ka eh. And yet you acknowleged he got the 'breaks' thru his dad, so its only Nepotism if you dont deliver the desired results? I even made a comparison to a corporate setup and all and yet you still dont get it? Its the undue advantages that makes it wrong not the player that he becomes. And
                        Im saying Aaron is a much better player NOW than Tenorio & Pinto thus the swap thing that is clearly to Ginebra's advantage, and as a fan of the franchise why would I not agree to that swap if its real?
                        That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that, either we call it nepotism or not, Aaron is delivering, & that's what is important.

                        I think its unfair naman kay Aaron if we talk as if the only reason why he got the starting point guard job at at Meralco is becoz the team head coach is his father (Like what you were implying in your reply to Yessuh29's post). Come on, let's be fair, the kid earned it & continues to earn it.
                        "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                        • #6642
                          Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                          That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that, either we call it nepotism or not, Aaron is delivering, & that's what is important.

                          I think its unfair naman kay Aaron if we talk as if the only reason why he got the starting point guard job at at Meralco is becoz the team head coach is his father (Like what you were implying in your reply to Yessuh29's post). Come on, let's be fair, the kid earned it & continues to earn it.
                          So you're saying that Nepotism is acceptable in this case because Aaron is doing well?of course its not the ONLY reason but being a son of Norman is a BIG reason for his success. I wouldnt say nmn to Henry Sy Jr. that life's unfair because his dad paved the way for his success because his kids took his businesses to a whole new level.
                          Noone's arguing how good he is (same reason I would want him to Ginebra) pero to say na he can be considered for Gilas and exclude Stockton for being a 6th-7th man and role player is quite the argument dont you think?

                          And how about Norman's step son Chris Tan who played with his Team in Sta.Lucia and won a championship at that. What shall we call it then? Since Chris never played for another team in the PbA aside from Sta.Lucia, but they did won a ring and Chris played a big part of it as a role player so its justified? Sure.. And now its Aaron's turn but of course he's turning out to be a better player than Chris

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                          • #6643
                            Originally posted by carmelo7 View Post
                            So you call me out for supposedly "marginalizing" Black but not his comments on Stockton? That he shouldnt be considered for Gilas because he's merely a 6th-7th man on his team? I smell the scent of hypocrisy
                            And you're here to tell me I cant be sarcastic to that?
                            I don't see anything wrong with Yusseh29's post as a reaction to your post:
                            Originally posted by Yessuh29 View Post
                            What has Stockton shown in the PBA aside from his defense?? Aaron Black is a legit starting G in the PBA while Stockton is like an 6th-7th man on his team lmao
                            I don't see any sarcasm there. Yusseh29's was just comparing a legit starting PG of a PBA team who is averaging 13.5 points/game, 4.4 assts/game & 5.57 rebs/game with someone who is a 6th or 7th man in his team while averaging 6.5 ppg & 1.7 assts/game. Neither do I see Yusseh29 marginalizing Stockton.

                            Now compare that to your reply to Yusseh's post in which you labeled him as an amateur.
                            "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                            • #6644
                              Originally posted by carmelo7 View Post
                              So you're saying that Nepotism is acceptable in this case because Aaron is doing well?of course its not the ONLY reason but being a son of Norman is a BIG reason for his success. I wouldnt say nmn to Henry Sy Jr. that life's unfair because his dad paved the way for his success because his kids took his businesses to a whole new level.
                              Noone's arguing how good he is (same reason I would want him to Ginebra) pero to say na he can be considered for Gilas and exclude Stockton for being a 6th-7th man and role player is quite the argument dont you think?

                              And how about Norman's step son Chris Tan who played with his Team in Sta.Lucia and won a championship at that. What shall we call it then? Since Chris never played for another team in the PbA aside from Sta.Lucia, but they did won a ring and Chris played a big part of it as a role player so its justified? Sure.. And now its Aaron's turn but of course he's turning out to be a better player than Chris
                              Bro, I think you're going way too far from our original discussion here.

                              What we actually were discussing here is whether Aaron Black could be a Gilas prospect or not. I don't give a damn whether Aaron's PBA career is a product of nepotism (As you see it) or not. What is important to me is whether Aaron Black could be serviceable to Gilas or not.
                              "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                              • #6645
                                Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                                I don't see anything wrong with Yusseh29's post as a reaction to your post:


                                I don't see any sarcasm there. Yusseh29's was just comparing a legit starting PG of a PBA team who is averaging 13.5 points/game, 4.4 assts/game & 5.57 rebs/game with someone who is a 6th or 7th man in his team while averaging 6.5 ppg & 1.7 assts/game. Neither do I see Yusseh29 marginalizing Stockton.

                                Now compare that to your reply to Yusseh's post in which you labeled him as an amateur.
                                If you dont see what's wrong with his comments then there's no point here dont you think?
                                Its building the best team not an All-star team so the things Stockton can bring as a 6'2 athletic PG as a 12th man for Gilas, does it matter if he's a bench player and with less than stellar stats than Black? Would Aaron be a better match up defensively against say Jordan's Ibrahim than Alec?

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