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Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V
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"A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV
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Originally posted by DAdmiral View PostWell then, maybe it's by design the Tab does not have a go to scorer, especially while still introducing and building the system and culture. If Tab had a ball dominant scorer as early as now , the others will not be developed and we move away from a system.
As Tab said he has NO issues with a Clarkson level player with his IQ and talent level coming in late in 2023
But if we're talking about JC Perez or Romeo level , no way will that work in world level, in the context of that level those guys are simply not good enough to rely on as go to scorers , that won't work. That is the context of my statement , we cannot rely on talent to win. (We simply do not have that talent level to rely on it , but have to rely on chemistry to win at worlds)
Yeah, the scorer is a LAST RESORT.
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Originally posted by mathematicianrcg View PostFpr me, there are 2 categories of Small Ball
1. "Midget Ball" - Literally just based it in height and speed. Lol.
2. "Skilled Ball" - GSW dynasty are considered small ball with a 7 footer Wing, and a 6'6-6'7 Center. Because their concept for them of " small ball" is"skilled ball" not " small height ball"
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Originally posted by IPC View PostWith our lineup, I don't think we'll be going small for a long time. Tab's lineups always have a natural 4 and 5, based on what we saw in the FIBA Asia qualifiers and OQT.
It doesnt make sense to play small ball if 2 or 3 of your best players are big.
Kai, Kouame, and Maybe Balti/Tamayo.
Dwight is the only Wing/Guard who is in the top 5 of the roster in terms of talent
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Originally posted by IPC View PostStill, we need a failsafe later on when the offense breaks down. We'll need to teach the go-to scorer how to operate without the ball (although that will take some work).
Yeah, the scorer is a LAST RESORT.
Who knows maybe Mikey Williams is that player and is inserted in the windows in 2022
Actually by 2023 not now, (don't laugh), I expect Kai to be that go to scorer, I'm serious
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Originally posted by IPC View PostStill, we need a failsafe later on when the offense breaks down. We'll need to teach the go-to scorer how to operate without the ball (although that will take some work).
Yeah, the scorer is a LAST RESORT.
Being a go-to-guy doesn't really translate to being a "ball heavy" player (something coach Tab dislikes). Take the case of Matthew Wright at Phoenix. Wright is Phoenix' go-to-guy player but he isn't a "ball heavy" player. In fact Wright facilitates well for Phoenix & doesn't always look to score. I think Wright isn't in the same mold as a Mark Caguioa or Garry David or a James Yap.
If only we can find a go-to-guy with the same mentality as a Matt Wright then that would be good to the team."A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV
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Originally posted by DAdmiral View PostI get that,
I think we can slowly evolve and find who that player is by 2023
And in my mind it could be Kai by 2023"A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV
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Originally posted by JAMSKIE View PostI'm thinking of a wingman being our go to guy. Yung tipong halimbawa under shotclock pressure yung Gilas, ibigay na sa kanya yung bola & just let him create his own shot off the dribble.
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swing offense already has a post-up option installed. it's just a matter of throwing the ball to kai (there were instances of this in ACQ and OQT), but they didn't go to it much. maybe because Kai is not the vocal leader yet? he is a late inclusion to the team after all. but by 2023 and after reaching the NBA, i agree, Kai will be the go-to-guy whether team chemistry wise or coach orders.
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Originally posted by DAdmiral View PostAnd to me , a go to guy doesn't necessarily have to be a perimeter position player , but can play in the high post (e.g .Jokic or Dirk), , play broken, throw it to kai at high post , he then creates out of the free throw line extended
Like I said, we'll need to involve our bigs more in our offense. Hopefully by the FIBA Asia Cup, we can now properly feed our bigs. Our bigs are our key to the success of Gilas.
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Originally posted by DAdmiral View PostAnd to me , a go to guy doesn't necessarily have to be a perimeter position player , but can play in the high post (e.g .Jokic or Dirk), , play broken, throw it to kai at high post , he then creates out of the free throw line extended"A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV
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Guys, do you think former San Beda & now La Salle point guard Evan Nelle would be a better fit point guard for Gilas than SJ Belangel? While Belangel is the better scorer, I think Nelle is more of a pass-first point guard which might be what we need in Gilas.
The downside I see in Nelle is that he's too lanky that he might not withstand the physicality of the FIBA game. And of course, he's with the greens eh."A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV
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