Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[JAMSKIE]

too bad that version of romeo is long gone. he was even pretty decent at defense, he was able to keep up with somebody like tony parker

also regarding bolick as a willing passer/playmaker, maybe we can look at these games where william navarro is dominating. bolick made a lot of assists to him

Yeah, but I think Bolick was still looking for his shots. Like that win over Converge last Sunday, Bolick took 17 shots & made 9 of them. But he had 10 assists (a downside was his 6 turnovers). In the win over Terrafirma, Bolick took 21 shots & made just 4, but he had 10 assists & zero turnovers.

Maybe Bolick has to take that many shots becoz Northport doesn't have enough scorers. Their import isn't a scoring import. Prince Ibeh is no Cam Oliver, Justin Brownlee or Quincy Miller. My concern is that its hard to get rid of old habits. I mean pag nasanay ka na to take that many shots (which is a privilege ) playing for a team without enough good scorers, when you play for a team with lots of potent scorers like that of Gilas, its hard to limit your shots & just take a backseat in scoring. Especially since Bolick has been a scoring point guard from his college stint in San Beda to playing for Northport in the PBA.

[JAMSKIE]

Another impressive game from Rhenz Abando: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YFg5CBSMPU

I notice though that Abando usually explodes in the 1st half but would become silent in the 2nd half.

[IPC]

Yeah, Benilde has a smoother offense than La Salle. Even the few games I watched them last season, they showed glimpses of a good offensive system.

Defense, well, I can't say much for Benilde since I haven't observed them on that end, although Hoops Highlights (a San Beda graduate) clipped a video of them doing almost perfect rotations (https://twitter.com/izeizeflo/status...gCZg-pHbj4kjiQ). La Salle's too press reliant, and as cha34 says, they give up too many offensive rebounds.

As for Charles, I'd like to see him on the Gilas men's staff one day as an offensive coordinator. Or maybe help in the youth program.

isnt he one of the asst or Rajko Toromoan before? he also had stints as coach for MIghty Sports so he has some international exposure already

Yeah that's him. A lot of people here wanted him to be part of GILAS coaching staff.

Charles was one of Rajko's assistants, yes. And he's shown some chops as a coach in the NCAA and with Mighty Sports. Hope he returns to the staff and adds variety to the Gilas offense.

[KoolAid]

That Dwight Ramos injury looks bad (probably as a result of lack of rest). Anyways who do you think should replace him in the next window if he is out? Thirdy or Abando? If it is 3rdy, he better perfome like crazy since the socmed backlash is already bad enough for him and his bro. especially if it over someone like Abando since the latter has got a great socmed following.

[JAMSKIE]

That Dwight Ramos injury looks bad (probably as a result of lack of rest). Anyways who do you think should replace him in the next window if he is out? Thirdy or Abando? If it is 3rdy, he better perfome like crazy since the socmed backlash is already bad enough for him and his bro. especially if it over someone like Abando since the latter has got a great socmed following.

From Dwight himself, he said he will be out by around 2 months. Which means that by around the last week of January, he will probably back in action. Of course he might not be at a 100% playing form by the 6th window but I think he will be good enough by the 6th window.

If Justin Brownlee would be our NP by the 6th window, then we won't be feeling Dwight's absence (in case he won't be available) since both Brownlee & Dwight plays at the 3 spot.

[C2Hamm]

From Dwight himself, he said he will be out by around 2 months. Which means that by around the last week of January, he will probably back in action. Of course he might not be at a 100% playing form by the 6th window but I think he will be good enough by the 6th window.

If Justin Brownlee would be our NP by the 6th window, then we won't be feeling Dwight's absence (in case he won't be available) since both Brownlee & Dwight plays at the 3 spot.

why not let Dwight rest regardless of his injury for that window? he is more needed in WC. plus, it'll open playing time (for window 6 only) for other players for CCR to assess.

[C2Hamm]

Charles was one of Rajko's assistants, yes. And he's shown some chops as a coach in the NCAA and with Mighty Sports. Hope he returns to the staff and adds variety to the Gilas offense.

too many cooks spoil the broth.

let him coach one of the youth team. and maybe coach jeff another and let Coach Gold be the asst coach of the main men's team. I would actually want a new coach for the women's and let Coach Pat handle the team formation and building relations with the families of potential recruits. to be honest, what he contributed to Womens NT is great. but in pure X and O, i think we can upgrade. i still want him there as he is solid in terms of growing the whole program.

[hmbopbaduwap]

Another 6'5ish 3 and D player we can try this February

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/a...221125-fbfirst

"I intend to return to the Philippines and put my name in the PBA Draft," he told Spin.ph.

Tuffin, 25, is an athletic 6-foot-5 forward who played for Far Eastern University in the UAAP, can be a 3-and-D option for teams.

Since the pandemic hit, he returned to New Zealand and initially played with the Taranaki Mountainairs before moving to the Wellington Saints and helping the team claim the 2021 NZ NBL championship.

He continued to be a valuable piece of the Saints this 2022 season, averaging 8.2 points on 37-percent shooting from deep, 2.7 rebounds and 1.0 assist in 22.9 minutes of action as the team reached the playoffs as the fourth-seed before being eliminated by eventual runner-up Auckland Tuatara in the play-in phase.

Tuffin was previously included in coach Chot Reyes' "23-for-2023" Gilas Pilipinas pool and was also shortlisted in the Tall Blacks' pool.

[paliganibossalfrancis]

Ideal Gilas program 2023 and beyond

1.) Gilas Team A (2023 World Cup-Olympics & Beyond) Olympic/World Class Level Basketball
aka Gilas Death Lineup
Coach Chot Reyes/ Tim Cone
Goal -> Beat World Rank Top 15 teams consistently; contend for a podium finish in world tournaments
Best Asian Team in the FIBA World Cup 2023; Qualify to 2024 Paris Olympics
- Core Gilas Team that will compete in the World Cup and Olympics
- Players from Team B can move up to Team A depending on availability and performance
- Assuming JC & Jalen Green are considered by FIBA as locals
- Assuming Mikey Williams will be given a green light to play as local

Starters:
PG Jalen Green 6'5 | Houston Rockets
SG Jordan Clarkson 6'6 | Utah Jazz
SF Jamie Malonzo 6'7 | Brgy. Ginebra San Miguel
PF AJ Edu 7'1 | Toledo Rockets
C Kai Sotto 7'3 | Adelaide 36ers

bench:
Scottie Thompson (PG) 6'1 | Brgy. Ginebra San Miguel
Mikey Williams (PG) 6'2 | TNT Tropang Giga
Ange Kouame (PF) 7'0 | Ateneo Blue Eagles
Bobby Ray Parks Jr. (SG) 6'4 | Nagoya Diamond Dolphins
Carl Tamayo (PF) 6'9 | UP Fighting Maroons
Dwight Ramos (SF) 6'5 | Levanga Hokkaido
Junemar Fajardo (C) 7'0 | San Miguel Beermen

Average height: 6'7



2.) 20-man Team B Gilas Asian Pool (Asian Games/FIBA Asia Cup/FIBA Asian Qualifiers/ FIBA OQT)
aka Kings of Asian Basketball
Coach Aldin Ayo
- Players from this team can be considered/promoted for World-level competition inclusion depending on improvement of performance
- Players who will be prioritized to replace outgoing Team A players if someone from Team A is injured or unavailable
- Similarly players from Team A can be relegated to Team B depending on injury, availability and performance
- Some players on this team still needs to sort out their passport and citizenship (again, this is just assuming FIBA clears them all)
- Japeth, Justin, CStan are aging, but we can maximise their prime playing years they and they can represent us in Asian level competition until 2025

Point Guards
Remy Martin (PG) 6'1 | Lavrio
Sedrick Barefield (PG) 6'2 | Tainan TSG Ghosthawks
Nate Pierre-Louis (PG) 6'4 | South Bay Lakers
Juan Gomez de Liano (PG) 6'1 | BC Wolves
CJ Perez (PG) 6'3 | San Miguel Beermen
Robert Bolick (PG) 6'1 | Northport Batang Pier


Wings
Justin Brownlee (SF) 6'6 | Brgy. Ginebra San Miguel
Ron Harper Jr. (SF) 6'6 | Toronto Raptors
Kobe Paras 6'6 (SG) | Altiri Chiba
Matthew Wright (SG) 6'3 | Kyoto Hannayrz
Jeremiah Gray (SF) 6'5 | Brgy. Ginebra San Miguel
Jordan Heading (SG) 6'2 | Nagasaki Velca
Calvin Oftana (SG) 6'5 | TNT Tropang Giga
William Navarro (SF) 6'9 | Northport Batang Pier


Bigs
Japeth Aguilar (PF) 6'10 | Brgy. Ginebra San Miguel
Christian Standhardinger (C) 6'9 | Barangay Ginebra Gin Kings
Zavier Lucero (PF) 6'7 | UP Fighting Maroons
Malick Diouf (C) 6'11 | UP Fighting Maroons
Michael Philips (PF) 6'8 | DLSU Green Archers
Kevin Quiambao (PF) 6'9 | DLSU Green Archers

Sample Lineups

FIBA Asia Cup
Starters
PG Remy Martin
SG Kobe Paras
SF Ron Harper Jr.
PF Japeth Aguilar
C Malick Diouf (i)

Bench
PG Juan Gomez de Liano
PG CJ Perez
SG Matthew Wright
SG Jordan Heading
SF William Navarro
PF Zavier Lucero
PF Michael Philips

FIBA WC Asian Qualifiers
Starters
PG Sedrick Barefield
SG Justin Brownlee (i)
SF William Navarro
PF Japeth Aguilar
C Christian Standhardinger

Bench
PG CJ Perez
PG Robert Bolick
SG Calvin Oftana
SG Kobe Paras
SF Jeremiah Gray
PF Kevin Quiambao
PF Zavier Lucero

i denotes naturalized player

Asian Games
- no Hagop rule means more lenient residency rules, so we can use our Fil-ams and naturalized players together

Starters
PG Sedrick Barefield
SG Ron Harper Jr.
SF Justin Brownlee
PF Michael Philips
C Malick Diouf

Bench
PG Nate Pierre-Louis
PG Remy Martin
SG Kobe Paras
SG Matthew Wright
SF Zavier Lucero
PF Japeth Aguilar
C Christian Standhardinger

3.)Team C Gilas Asian Pool
- Outgoing players, players who already served national duties but is not fit for modern FIBA game
- Aging players who can mentor younger ones
- Can be used for tournaments that has no bearing (Jones Cup, pocket tournaments)
- Players with no more potential (already plateaued) but can still be useful for emergency purposes
- Can still be considered for Team B promotion

Point Guards
Stanley Pringle (PG) 6'1 | Barangay Ginebra San Miguel
Kiefer Ravena (PG) 6'0 | Shiga Lakestars
Terrence Romeo (PG) 6'0 | San Miguel Beermen
Chris Ross (PG) 6'1 | San Miguel Beermen
Paul Lee (PG) 6'0 | Magnolia Hotshots
Jio Jalalon (PG) 6'0 | Magnolia Hotshots
Simon Enciso (PG) 6'0 | San Miguel Beermen
Maverick Ahanmisi (PG) 6'0 | Converge FiberXers

Wings
Thirdy Ravena (SG) 6'3 | San-en NeoPhoenix
Chris Newsome (SF) 6'4 | Meralco Bolts
Joshua Munzon (SG) 6'4 | Terrafirma Dyip
Marcio Lassiter (SG) 6'2 | San Miguel Beermen
Roger Pogoy 6'3 (SF) | TNT Tropang Giga
Roosevelt Adams 6'5 (SF) | Kagawa Five Arrows
Jeron Teng (SG) 6'3 | Converge FiberXers
Arvin Tolentino (SF) 6'5 | Northport Batang Pier
Calvin Abueva (SG) 6'3 | Magnolia Hotshots

Bigs
Troy Rosario (PF) 6'7 | Blackwater Bossing
JP Erram (PF) 6'8 | TNT Tropang Giga
Moala Tautuaa (C) 6'9 | San Miguel Beermen
Jason Perkins (PF) 6'6 | Phoenix Super LPG
Raymond Almazan 6'9 | Meralco Bolts
Greg Slaughter (C) 7'0 | Rising Zephyr Fukuoka
Ian Sangalang (PF) 6'8 | Magnolia Hotshots

4.) Team D Gilas Cadets (ASEAN Level/Developmental Pool) SEABA/SEA Games/Future FIBA Asia Consideration
Coach Goldwin Monteverde/Tab Baldwin/Ronnie Magsanoc
- Raw for international game but can be considered for Asian Level/ World Competition
- Some players here are undersized hence cannot be considered to move up to higher level competition
- Players in this pool has potential/ huge upside but needs to prove on a professional level that they are worthy of consideration
- Purpose of this pool is to secure the player development pipeline of Gilas for 2027 and beyond

Dalph Panopio (PG) 6'2 | Cal State Bakersfield
Ken Tuffin (SF) 6'5 | Wellington Saints
SJ Belangel (PG) 5'11 | Daegu Kogas Pegasus
RJ Abbarientos (PG) 5'11 | Ulsan Hyundai
Rhenz Abando (SG) 6'2 | Anyang KGC
Schonny Winston (PG) 6'1 | DLSU Green Archers
Dave Ildefonso (SG) 6'5 | Ateneo Blue Eagles
Caelum Harris (SG) 6'6 | Stewarts Creek HS
Kai Balungay (SF) 6'7 | Ateneo Blue Eagles
Javi Gomez de Liano (SF) 6'5 | Terrafirm Dyip
Will Gozum (PF) 6'6 | CSB Blazers
LeBron Lopez (SG) 6'6 | Ateneo Blue Eaglets
Tyler Tio (PG) 6'1 | Phoenix Super LPG
Brandon Ganuelas Rosser 6'7 (PF) | Blackwater Bossing
Chris Koon (SG) 6'6 | Ateneo Blue Eagles
Aaron Black (PG) 6'1 | Meralco Bolts
Sage Tolentino (C) 7'1 | Cincinnati Bearcats
Isaac Go (C) 6'9 | Terrafirma Dyip
Justine Baltazar (SF) 6'9 | Hiroshima Dragonflies
David Murrell (SF) 6'4 | Converge FiberXers
Justin Arana (PF) 6'8 | Converge FiberXers
Alec Stockton (SF) 6'5 | Converge FiberXers
Tyrus Hill (SF) 6'5 | Converge FiberXers
Ricci Rivero (PG) 6'2 | Taoyuan Pilots
Jaydee Tungcab (PG) 6'3 | TNT Tropang Giga
JD Cagulangan (PG) 5'11 | UP Fighting Maroons
James Spencer (SG) 6'2 | UP Fighting Maroons

Our pool is the DEEPEST and the most talented in Asia if you'd look deeper. We can beat Australia on a good day. But if we don't get our sh*t together, Japan will kick our a** every single time as this is their golden age (Yudai Baba, Rui Hachimura, Yuta Watanabe --- they defeated France & Belgium in friendlies remember?). Our coaches just need to work harder to identify and classify these players according to their limitations. There are players na "pang PBA lang" and there are players who could get paid in higher leagues and can play with our NT to BEAT (not just compete) top teams in the world. We have a lot of excellent players but we have to take note that THERE ARE LEVELS to this. FIBA WC 2019 for example, showed that our coaches overestimated some of PBA superstars' capabilities, hence the humiliation (ex. Kiefer cannot perform well vs Euros and Americans, Almazan is not a World Cup-level bigman we thought he was). For now, we just have to accept that Chot is the main man for this program hopefully his lapses will be offset by Tim Cone in future competitions.

[paliganibossalfrancis]

Another 6'5ish 3 and D player we can try this February

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/a...221125-fbfirst

"I intend to return to the Philippines and put my name in the PBA Draft," he told Spin.ph.

Tuffin, 25, is an athletic 6-foot-5 forward who played for Far Eastern University in the UAAP, can be a 3-and-D option for teams.

Since the pandemic hit, he returned to New Zealand and initially played with the Taranaki Mountainairs before moving to the Wellington Saints and helping the team claim the 2021 NZ NBL championship.

He continued to be a valuable piece of the Saints this 2022 season, averaging 8.2 points on 37-percent shooting from deep, 2.7 rebounds and 1.0 assist in 22.9 minutes of action as the team reached the playoffs as the fourth-seed before being eliminated by eventual runner-up Auckland Tuatara in the play-in phase.

Tuffin was previously included in coach Chot Reyes' "23-for-2023" Gilas Pilipinas pool and was also shortlisted in the Tall Blacks' pool.

If he proves his worth in the PBA, like Will Navarro did, he'll be high on Gilas coaches' list, but imho there are players who are still ahead of him. NZ NBL level of competition isn't as high as AUS NBL, and just because you're good in NBL (either NZ or Aus) doesn't mean that will translate to the PBA. Players in Converge for example (Arana, Tratter, Stockton, Tyrus Hill) has more upside than Tuffin.

[jofre]

for WC 2023, if Coach Tab is the coach, his team may look like this;
60 Kiefer, 511 Abarrientos
64 Dwight, 64 BRP, 62 Heading
66 Navarro, 67 Balti
610 Edu, 67 Carl, 67 Amos
72 Kai, 611 Ange
with 511 Belangel 62 Thirdy 64 Tuffin

while Coach Chot have a possibility of this
60 Iskati, 61 Perez
64 Clarkson, 64 BRP, 64 Tuffin
64 Dwight, 66 Malonzo
69 Japeth 67 Carl
72 Kai 610 Fajardo 610 Edu
with 60 Pogoy? 65 Oftana 68 Erram?
worth mentioning are 62 Newsome and 62 Abando

[DAdmiral]

Plans for Tuffin not final or set in stone..
Just watch ...what's next ...

[JAMSKIE]

If he proves his worth in the PBA, like Will Navarro did, he'll be high on Gilas coaches' list, but imho there are players who are still ahead of him. NZ NBL level of competition isn't as high as AUS NBL, and just because you're good in NBL (either NZ or Aus) doesn't mean that will translate to the PBA. Players in Converge for example (Arana, Tratter, Stockton, Tyrus Hill) has more upside than Tuffin.

Agree with U bro.
What I like about this current era in Philippine basketball is that never was a time that we have this abundance of good size/length small forwards or combo forwards.

Imagine having guys like Dwight Ramos, Oftana, Malonzo, WillNav, Arvin Tolentino, Roosevelt Adams, Kobe Paras, Ken Tuffin, Javi GDL. Anyone of these guys can suit up for Gilas as local players.

Tuffin is described as a 3 & D player. But as far as getting a call up for Gilas anytime soon, I think guys like Dwight Ramos, Rayray Parks, Oftana, Malonzo are ahead of him.

We can test Tuffin with Gilas post 2023 World Cup.

[JAMSKIE]

Another solid game from Rhenz Abando finishing with 21 pts. This kid is for real. He is improving very very well. I'm impressed with his degree of improvement since playing in Korea. I know magaling talaga sya sa NCAA playing for Letran, but playing in Korea's KBL pro league is a different level eh.

I think Abando deserves a Gilas call up. I see this kid as someone better than fellow shooter Jordan Heading. Abando's edge over Heading is the former's unbelievable athleticism.

[carmelo7]

Another solid game from Rhenz Abando finishing with 21 pts. This kid is for real. He is improving very very well. I'm impressed with his degree of improvement since playing in Korea. I know magaling talaga sya sa NCAA playing for Letran, but playing in Korea's KBL pro league is a different level eh.

I think Abando deserves a Gilas call up. I see this kid as someone better than fellow shooter Jordan Heading. Abando's edge over Heading is the former's unbelievable athleticism.

I think Abando is doing well in KBL because its not an overly physical league but in FIBA this would be exposed (like games against DR and NZ) kaya Heading would thrive better i think for Gilas. If Asian level no prob for Abando