Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[thatweirdguy]

As showed in the game against Jordan, Kai needs a good defending C as backup. I think banging against Al Dwairi got to him in the first half. Kouame essentially put the cuffs on him with their quick double. In the 2nd half Kai got his second wind and took advantagr of a more tired Al Dwairi.

Without Ange or a healthy Edu backing up Kai we wont get the luxury of Kai adjusting after a bad start. We will get blown out after the teams figure out JC.

Edit: Brownlee is too short to play 4 in Fiba. He will get manhandled after a few minutes. Especially playing with Kai.

Di ba? That and the fact that JC is notoriously bad at D. We would need good defenders on the floor with him all the time. Kai can't pace himself like he did with Kouame. JF or Japeth at C would be disastrous

[JOI2dWorld]

An example also is the antetekoumpo bros… all of them have no Greek bloodline, but all of antetekoumpo bros were live and raised at their young age.. giannis was get his passport at age of 12… that is automatic rule for fiba eligibility… tony Parker was also same, born in Belgium but live and raised in France, and he gets his passport before 16… so automatic he was eligible as local player… and we didn’t realize this, if cj Perez didn’t play for Philippines until now, he was eligible to play with Hong Kong as a local player… HK can invite him to play for them as local… another case that might we not notice.. Kyt Jimenez of MPBL/Mavs was born in Jeddah, KSA.. if saudi federation knows this, they can invite him to play for their national team as local player.. in fiba, it’s an automatic that if you born on that said country , you will guaranteed as a local player… maybe if I were SBF, I will take him and part of their national team, they needed like him to upgrade their PG slot for KSA…

nope saudi arabia do not grant citizenship especially if you are non muslim, even for other muslims from other GCC countries its very hard to get a citizenship, I've been working for almost 8 years and i have friends that their kids were born here, they will give at the least a month to process the residency permit and passport from country of parent's origin of newly born kids

[DAdmiral]

The point is the deal breaker for Ange isn't cause his parents are foreign blood , but his family were never residents and he wasn't raised in Philippines.
If his family moved when he was like 10 yrs old and got passport at 21 yrs old , he would be exempted

[Giannis34GOD]

nope saudi arabia do not grant citizenship especially if you are non muslim, even for other muslims from other GCC countries its very hard to get a citizenship, I've been working for almost 8 years and i have friends that their kids were born here, they will give at the least a month to process the residency permit and passport from country of parent's origin of newly born kids

But i'm talking about FIBA eligibility, yes, I'm aware of that GCC rule... But if we are talking about FIBA eligibility regularities, Kyt Jimenez will be a local player for KSA since he was born there... same case as MGR and Tratter

[JOI2dWorld]

But i'm talking about FIBA eligibility, yes, I'm aware of that GCC rule... But if we are talking about FIBA eligibility regularities, Kyt Jimenez will be a local player for KSA since he was born there... same case as MGR and Tratter

but still you should be a passport holder of the country to be fiba eligible and Saudi Arabia will not do it especially for basketball , the country has all the resources in the world to naturalized a world class player not just for basketball but for football in which they are more passionate with but they don't do it and like what i said you can be born and raised here but if you don't have a Saudi parents you will never be a citizen and even those who married locals cannot get citizenship, and they are not as desperate as Qatar who imports Africans to play for the national team that is why there is a Hagop Rule

[Giannis34GOD]

but still you should be a passport holder of the country to be fiba eligible and Saudi Arabia will not do it especially for basketball , the country has all the resources in the world to naturalized a world class player not just for basketball but for football in which they are more passionate with but they don't do it and like what i said you can be born and raised here but if you don't have a Saudi parents you will never be a citizen and even those who married locals cannot get citizenship, and they are not as desperate as Qatar who imports Africans to play for the national team that is why there is a Hagop Rule

Under FIBA rules, if you born on that said country w/c you want to represent, No need to have a passport, just give the Birth certificate documents then that's it... That is the case of Khao Tran of Vietnam, Tratter and MGR of the Philippines... Although in KSA, the law there is tough... But we are only talking under FIBA rules, not the nationality immigration laws of any country... In FIBA, Kyt will be consider as local in KSA if they consider it...

[BJ_Reloaded]

I think there is still a very slim chance that AK34 may somehow exempted because of his basketball heritage was already establish here since his adolescent years. If only the PBA allows him to join the next years PBA draft and play in the league as a local just to establish more facts(case build-up) just to establish even more his basketball immersion in the country. I agreed on some provision stated in FIBA?s rule on eligibility about players must have a lineage and connection to a particular country, must?ve gotten his PH Passport(date issued) on or before his 16th birthday among others as a reference for exemption, there is no argument on that but keep that in mind that the Sec. Gen had the sole discretion to consider as per FIBA?s newly updated FIBA Internal Regulation: Book 3 Players and Officials(in force as of 26 March 2022). It was stated in some provisions that unless the player hasn?t played on any National Federation except to the country he/she wishes to play, has a written consent coming from his parents or guardians and approval from his/her domestic club or school, reason(s) why he decided to study, lived and stayed from the country starting from his adolescent days among others.(It somehow fall in Marginal Cases Article 32, ?In certain cases, FIBA nationality maybe granted to a player?. Chances are, the Sec. Gen had the authority or the final decision for such circumstances. The bottomline here is still on the Sec. Gen?s final decision, either there will be a fee or not for such request it boils than to SBP if they had the political will to exempt AK34 moving forward.

https://www.fiba.basketball/internal...-officials.pdf

[Rodbi]

What are we hoping for in naturalizing Brownlee? The guy is almost past his prime. I dont think he is a shoo in as NP if JC cannot play especially if Kouame comes closes to being 100% healthy.

What is our Congress thinking by passing this? For non basketball reasons Brownlee deserves to be naturalized. But the goal is for us to be competitive in 2023 and beyond. Brownlee wont help us do that. Dont tell me this is just for the SEA games or Asian games? I dont see any benefit this will give us in the mid to long term. We are better off with a healthy McCullough.

Or is this SMC just flexing their muscle? All this effort for a guy that is almost past his prime. The recent games showed us that Kai needs help down low and that Kouame and Edu might not be healthy enough to do that. The smart thing would have been to get help down low. But no.

To give Ginebra fans a boner for their import showing up in Gilas, of course. /s

With this development, I won't be surprised if PBA (with SMC spearheading a major change) would allow each team to have an NP slot beyond 2023, even on AFC tournaments. I mean, that's JB, he practically became a Pinoy when he helped deliver Ginebra's first 3 championships in the CTC era. So 3 Fil-For slots in exchange for 1 NP seems a reasonable compromise to me.

[Giannis34GOD]

I think there is still a very slim chance that AK34 may somehow exempted because of his basketball heritage was already establish here since his adolescent years. If only the PBA allows him to join the next years PBA draft and play in the league as a local just to establish more facts(case build-up) just to establish even more his basketball immersion in the country. I agreed on some provision stated in FIBA?s rule on eligibility about players must have a lineage and connection to a particular country, must?ve gotten his PH Passport(date issued) on or before his 16th birthday among others as a reference for exemption, there is no argument on that but keep that in mind that the Sec. Gen had the sole discretion to consider as per FIBA?s newly updated FIBA Internal Regulation: Book 3 Players and Officials(in force as of 26 March 2022). It was stated in some provisions that unless the player hasn?t played on any National Federation except to the country he/she wishes to play, has a written consent coming from his parents or guardians and approval from his/her domestic club or school, reason(s) why he decided to study, lived and stayed from the country starting from his adolescent days among others.(It somehow fall in Marginal Cases Article 32, ?In certain cases, FIBA nationality maybe granted to a player?. Chances are, the Sec. Gen had the authority or the final decision for such circumstances. The bottomline here is still on the Sec. Gen?s final decision, either there will be a fee or not for such request it boils than to SBP if they had the political will to exempt AK34 moving forward.

https://www.fiba.basketball/internal...-officials.pdf

No chance... Bloodline is one of FIBA's criteria for exemption... And many countries will arguing w/ this case... The naturalization is already a big issue to other countries then how about this if will happen? A player who didn't get his passport before 16, didn't raise, nor birth then he will be a local? If Kouame get his passport before 16 then he has 100% chance...

[thatweirdguy]

With this development, I won't be surprised if PBA (with SMC spearheading a major change) would allow each team to have an NP slot beyond 2023, even on AFC tournaments. I mean, that's JB, he practically became a Pinoy when he helped deliver Ginebra's first 3 championships in the CTC era. So 3 Fil-For slots in exchange for 1 NP seems a reasonable compromise to me.

That's long overdue. NPs should be able to play in the PBA as locals..

[IPC]

Mike Philipps, Kai Ballunggay and Xavier Lucero might get clearance from FIBA as local. Hehehe. But Philipps I expect him to get his clearance quickly.

Is this a guess, a prediction, or information?

And, how quickly is quickly?

[JAMSKIE]

Can't wait to see Schonny Winston in Gilas uniform. Hope he can play in the 6th window. With Winston in tow, you got a go-to-guy wingman with some point guard skills. I see Winston as another CJ Perez but with better shooting than Perez & perhaps a better play maker than Perez as well. Winston's mid-range pull-up jumper is money & as some posters here implied, he can play defense.

[lurklurk]

Can't wait to see Schonny Winston in Gilas uniform. Hope he can play in the 6th window. With Winston in tow, you got a go-to-guy wingman with some point guard skills. I see Winston as another CJ Perez but with better shooting than Perez & perhaps a better play maker than Perez as well. Winston's mid-range pull-up jumper is money & as some posters here implied, he can play defense.

Hmm, i'm not too high on schonny as a wing. He will battle ramos, parks, thirdy, oftana, tolentino, navarro, even JC for position. Then you have wright, tuffin, dave ildefonso, maybe even heading on the outside looking in. Not to mention the 3/4 wings like malonzo, lopez.

Schonny's potential for me is as a big point guard. He has potential in using ball screens and attacking the basket and/or creating plays for his teammates. It's nice that he already has a developed midrange. He is in the pringle/mikey mold, but obviously he is a long way away.

Either way, schonny is raw pa for now. But potential is definitely there.

[BJ_Reloaded]

No chance... Bloodline is one of FIBA's criteria for exemption... And many countries will arguing w/ this case... The naturalization is already a big issue to other countries then how about this if will happen? A player who didn't get his passport before 16, didn't raise, nor birth then he will be a local? If Kouame get his passport before 16 then he has 100% chance...

Yup for now it has no chance if the basis of the argument is all about bloodline and before 16 Passport but if only the PBA somehow tweak its dinosaur law on player?s eligibility and accommodate AK34 to play amongst the locals, I had a gut feeling that somewhere down the road the Sec Gen may re-consider this and may fall into that so-called Marginal Case as per my previous posted message.. as I said the Sec Gen had the sole discretion to scrutinize any form of circumstances surrounding such case(s). Now as for the issue about Naturalization not totally accepted by some members well as the saying goes,?Even though you had good intention whatsoever the mere fact is you cannot please everybody?.

[JOI2dWorld]

Under FIBA rules, if you born on that said country w/c you want to represent, No need to have a passport, just give the Birth certificate documents then that's it... That is the case of Khao Tran of Vietnam, Tratter and MGR of the Philippines... Although in KSA, the law there is tough... But we are only talking under FIBA rules, not the nationality immigration laws of any country... In FIBA, Kyt will be consider as local in KSA if they consider it...

base on your logic any person who do not have at least one of his/her parents do not have any filipino lineage can represent Philippines as long as he/she was born in the Philippines even without acquiring a Philippine passport or being a naturalized citizen then why the likes of Kirk Long or even Alex Compton cannot play for Philippines, your example are players with at least one parent having the lineage of the country that they represent, so if what you are saying is the absolute truth then what is the use of hagop rule if every country can just simply ask or pay someone to let their unborn kid be born in that country , so if i'm the minister of Sports of Saudi Arabia ill just pay for example a Ja morant to let his unborn son to be born in KSA without granting him citizenship or passport so that when the child grows up he can play for KSA even if the kid is a USA citizen and a US passport holder