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  • Originally posted by shootingbwakaw View Post
    Oh, you mean Kib Montalbo, Keifer Ravena, RR Pogoy and other Chot favorites? he he. With the way the ball moved with Iskati and CJ Perez (although I only saw highlights), here's hoping we've seen the last of Keifer at the point. He can go quarterback in the SEA games and qualifiers, but not when it matters most.
    Perez played bad against the Saudis though. He needs better shot selection

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    • Originally posted by sroth3839 View Post
      Yeah lol I honestly hate how Kiefer keeps getting leeway to be inserted during clutch times.
      He's supposed to be this clutch player and stuff. Never mind that he cost us the game vs Angola and he's been shooting bricks since then.
      Originally posted by gideon
      Not sure why all on here got salty when the Serbian coach said Gilas lacked any real quality. I mean isn't that glaringly obvious.

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      • Originally posted by judasmartel View Post
        He's supposed to be this clutch player and stuff. Never mind that he cost us the game vs Angola and he's been shooting bricks since then.
        Cost us the game too vs Lebanon somewhat. He shot bricks when we were leading 75-71.

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        • speaking of PG

          Do you guys think:

          Kiefer/Scottie/Bolick/Juan/Alas/Dalph

          are upgrades from

          Castro/Alapag/Tenorio/Lee/ Barroca/ Casio

          ???

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          • Originally posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
            speaking of PG

            Do you guys think:

            Kiefer/Scottie/Bolick/Juan/Alas/Dalph

            are upgrades from

            Castro/Alapag/Tenorio/Lee/ Barroca/ Casio

            ???
            Is Juan better than RJ/SJ?

            TBH none of the new PGs are on Castro's level.

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            • Originally posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
              For our Bigs C/PF

              we have a pool of:

              Kai, AJ, Ange, Japeth, Junmar, Erram

              Tamayo, Baltazar, Quiambao,


              Maybe I forgot some names pf /c.

              But I think we have a richer pool of Local Bigs now compared to any iteration of Gilas Program.
              Not just the 4/5. We've had a better pool of wings lately. 6'5" Calvin Oftana, 6'6" Will Navarro, 6'5" Francis Lopez, and 6'7" Jamie Malonzo come to mind. Even off-guards like 6'4" Bobby Ray Parks Jr. and 6'4" Dwight Ramos have been good at the 3.

              That pool will only get richer if 6'8" Seven Gagate, 6'8" Gab Demisana, and 6'7" Mason Amos develop well at the 4/5 (and maybe 4/3 for Mason), 6'7" Alex Konov at the 3/4, and 6'5" Caelum Harris at the 3.

              I hope we keep finding and producing more 6'7"-6'8" Balti/Mason/Gagate/Mason/Konov type fours, and 6'5"-6'6" Oftana/Navarro-type wings. Emphasis on defensive versatility din sana.

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              • Originally posted by IPC View Post
                Not just the 4/5. We've had a better pool of wings lately. 6'5" Calvin Oftana, 6'6" Will Navarro, 6'5" Francis Lopez, and 6'7" Jamie Malonzo come to mind. Even off-guards like 6'4" Bobby Ray Parks Jr. and 6'4" Dwight Ramos have been good at the 3.

                That pool will only get richer if 6'8" Seven Gagate, 6'8" Gab Demisana, and 6'7" Mason Amos develop well at the 4/5 (and maybe 4/3 for Mason), 6'7" Alex Konov at the 3/4, and 6'5" Caelum Harris at the 3.

                I hope we keep finding and producing more 6'7"-6'8" Balti/Mason/Gagate/Mason/Konov type fours, and 6'5"-6'6" Oftana/Navarro-type wings. Emphasis on defensive versatility din sana.
                Speaking of wings and big men, the current NU bullpups has a bunch of 6'7-6'8 kids.

                Based on their game against LSGH (w/ Pablo and Gagate) in UBL, I count at least 4 big men from NU with size and length comparable to 6'8 Gagate. And this team is without 6'8 Drex Delos Reyes as he is injured.

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                • Originally posted by hmbopbaduwap View Post
                  PBA will cut the interval between Commissioners Cup and Governors Cup to 5-7 days to end the season early

                  https://www.philstar.com/sports/2022...rence-interval

                  PBA commissioner Willie Marcial said yesterday the interval between the end of the Commissioner?s Cup and the start of the Governors? Cup will be five to seven days to close the season by the first or second week of May in allowing players more than three months to train with Gilas for the FIBA World Cup on Aug. 25 to Sept. 10. Marcial said the final schedule is subject to approval by the PBA Board of Governors.

                  At the moment, PBA deputy commissioner Eric Castro said if all the Commissioner?s Cup playoff series go the distance, the conference will end Jan. 15 or 18 but the timetable will depend on Board approval to play games on Dec. 28. He noted the tentative start of the Governors? Cup is Jan. 20.

                  The PBA isn?t expected to interrupt the Governors? Cup schedule but will adjust the playing assignments of teams with players drafted by Gilas for the sixth FIBA World Cup Asia qualifying window against Lebanon on Feb. 24 and Jordan on Feb. 27, both at home. Gilas also has a commitment to play in the SEA Games in Cambodia on May 5 to 17 with the goal of regaining the gold medal. Since the Governors? Cup won?t end until the first or second week of May, there will be a conflict with the SEA Games calendar.
                  Originally posted by Sikatrix View Post
                  So no finals teams again for SEA games. KBL plus UAAP plus eliminated PBA teams probably?

                  Hopefully Panopio and Edu will be willing to play too.
                  SBP should think of the pool now.

                  Avaliable useful or potentially useful players so far:

                  B.League: Thirdy, Dwight, Balti, Parks, Heading, maybe Kiefer, maybe Kobe
                  KBL: SJ, RJ, Abando
                  UAAP: Carl, Quiambao, Spencer, Kouame (NP), Chiu, Nelle, maybe Dave Ildefonso, maybe Anonuevo, maybe Lazaro, maybe Abadam
                  NCAA: Oczon, Valdez, Liwag, maybe Gozum
                  NBL: Kai
                  PBA: Scottie, Perez, Newsome, Japeth, June Mar, Navarro, Oftana, Malonzo, Pogoy (provisionally, based on last window's performance), Brownlee (NP), maybe Mamuyac, maybe Arvin
                  US NCAA: AJ Edu, Panopio
                  Youth: Harris, Konov, Gagate, Demisana, Mason Amos, Nacua, Coronel, Bahay

                  Although we can have as many ineligibles as we want for the SEA Games, I think we should only use one for the NP slot.

                  This should be just a pool. If there are any first-choice PBA players who are finalists (like Scottie, Japeth, Malonzo, June Mar), just replace them with the next-useful players at their corresponding positions, or close to their corresponding positions.

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                  • Looks like B2 league regular season ends earlier so if without playoffs maybe some of the BLeague boys can join the SEA games. B1 League regular season ends May 7 so probably none of them in B1 can join the SEA games.

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                    • SBP should actively pursue local classification of Kouame using basketball heritage as argument. Kouame as local is going to be a game changer for us since we can play with more combos and we can actually try more naturalized players.
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                      • Am I wrong in thinking that the SBP or whatever the Philippines' basketball federation will be after the 2023 World Cup should blow up Gilas if and when Chualay and his friends from BCAP take over? I have lost all hope of Philippine basketball ever returning to its old glory after all the things that happened after our World Cup and Olympic run in 2012-2016. We are probably going to rank dead last in the World Cup again, this time at home.

                        The SMC in the 1980s and 1990s only cared about the Asian Games and they STILL constantly lost to China and Korea there, BAP kept sending terrible teams to the ABC and FIBA Asia tournaments in the 1990s and the 2000s, and I have this impression that Chualay will do the same. Or worse, treat the national team as a farm team for the SMC teams so that they could continue their dominance in their bush league known as the SMC-PBA. They are going to waste Kai Sotto's prime and turn him into June Mar Fajardo 2.0.

                        I am sorry if this reads like I am ranting, I have lost faith in the SBP to turn things around by 2023 and beyond.
                        Last edited by judasmartel; 11-15-2022, 04:44 PM.
                        Originally posted by gideon
                        Not sure why all on here got salty when the Serbian coach said Gilas lacked any real quality. I mean isn't that glaringly obvious.

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                        • Originally posted by judasmartel View Post
                          Am I wrong in thinking that the SBP or whatever the Philippines' basketball federation will be after the 2023 World Cup should blow up Gilas if and when Chualay and his friends from BCAP take over? I have lost all hope of Philippine basketball ever returning to its old glory after all the things that happened after our World Cup and Olympic run in 2012-2016. We are probably going to rank dead last in the World Cup again, this time at home.

                          The SMC in the 1980s and 1990s only cared about the Asian Games and they STILL constantly lost to China and Korea there, BAP kept sending terrible teams to the ABC and FIBA Asia tournaments in the 1990s and the 2000s, and I have this impression that Chualay will do the same. Or worse, treat the national team as a farm team for the SMC teams so that they could continue their dominance in their bush league known as the SMC-PBA. They are going to waste Kai Sotto's prime and turn him into June Mar Fajardo 2.0.

                          I am sorry if this reads like I am ranting, I have lost faith in the SBP to turn things around by 2023 and beyond.
                          Originally posted by Rodbi View Post
                          2023 is a good year for PBA to revert back to an October-June or July season. It seems unlikely though with an impending change of leadership in the SBP that's arguably going to serve PBA's interest more than the NT's.
                          Originally posted by CoJ View Post
                          im worried that after our hosting of the world cup that the PBA and SBP will no longer put that much attention in building a competitive team
                          Originally posted by Rodbi View Post
                          And just focus on SEAG and ASIAD.

                          Back to BAP days once again if so.
                          Yeah, we have to be wary of that, the PBA (and maybe even the collegiate leagues) not really giving a shit after the coming WC. But if that does happen, I just hope our best prospects go overseas. Better availability for FIBA events.

                          This is why people lose trust with the PBA. Best players aren't available due to scheduling (see 2019 WC, FIBA windows before the August window, and Asia Cup), and the eligible players sent before the past two windows hadn't exactly been good enough like Troy, Wright, Almazan, Pogoy (before this window), Erram, even Paul Lee later on. Too many of those types, and too few players of Japeth (35yo version), June Mar, CJ Perez, Terrence Romeo quality.

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                          • You failed to include Winston of La Salle


                            Avaliable useful or potentially useful players so far:

                            B.League: Thirdy, Dwight, Balti, Parks, Heading, maybe Kiefer, maybe Kobe
                            KBL: SJ, RJ, Abando
                            UAAP: Carl, Quiambao, Spencer, Kouame (NP), Chiu, Nelle, maybe Dave Ildefonso, maybe Anonuevo, maybe Lazaro, maybe Abadam
                            NCAA: Oczon, Valdez, Liwag, maybe Gozum
                            NBL: Kai
                            PBA: Scottie, Perez, Newsome, Japeth, June Mar, Navarro, Oftana, Malonzo, Pogoy (provisionally, based on last window's performance), Brownlee (NP), maybe Mamuyac, maybe Arvin
                            US NCAA: AJ Edu, Panopio
                            Youth: Harris, Konov, Gagate, Demisana, Mason Amos, Nacua, Coronel, Bahay

                            Although we can have as many ineligibles as we want for the SEA Games, I think we should only use one for the NP slot.

                            This should be just a pool. If there are any first-choice PBA players who are finalists (like Scottie, Japeth, Malonzo, June Mar), just replace them with the next-useful players at their corresponding positions, or close to their corresponding positions.[/QUOTE]

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                            • Originally posted by live_evil View Post
                              SBP should actively pursue local classification of Kouame using basketball heritage as argument. Kouame as local is going to be a game changer for us since we can play with more combos and we can actually try more naturalized players.
                              One of main criteria of FIBA is their bloodline, So it means 100% Kouame will not get that exemption process.... Kouame is pure Ivorian...

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                              • Originally posted by Giannis34GOD View Post
                                One of main criteria of FIBA is their bloodline, So it means 100% Kouame will not get that exemption process.... Kouame is pure Ivorian...
                                bloodline? hello Isaac Fotu....
                                WE DON'T COUNT YEARS, WE COUNT CENTURIES

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                                SANTO TOMAS APAT NA DAAN

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