Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[Rds]

and its not only for basketball, france also had a lot of african migrants on their football team, much to the chagrin of Lithuania

Is France really super reliant on first gen immigrants from Africa? Diaw and Wembanyama have African sounding surnames but look to be 1/4 black, they look whiter than Obama. Gobert also looks 1/4. I dont think they accepted immigrants just to play basketball. If you go to Paris you will see a lot of them selling souvenirs, sometimes by intimidation.

[ja.he]

Is France really super reliant on first gen immigrants from Africa? Diaw and Wembanyama have African sounding surnames but look to be 1/4 black, they look whiter than Obama. Gobert also looks 1/4. I dont think they accepted immigrants just to play basketball. If you go to Paris you will see a lot of them selling souvenirs, sometimes by intimidation.

Gobert, Batum, Diaw and Wemba have French mothers. Also, all of them were born in France.

Frank Ntilikina was born in Belgium to Rwandan parents but migrated to France at age 3.

Tony Parker was born in Belgium to an American father and Dutch mother. He migrated to France when he was a kid and became a French citizen at age 13 or 15.

[CoJ]

But how about Chinoys who were born and raised here but have no Filipino citizenship?

I actually have relatives under this scenario, legally, they're still awaiting for their papers, not sure about FIBA eligibility though

[CoJ]

Is France really super reliant on first gen immigrants from Africa? Diaw and Wembanyama have African sounding surnames but look to be 1/4 black, they look whiter than Obama. Gobert also looks 1/4. I dont think they accepted immigrants just to play basketball. If you go to Paris you will see a lot of them selling souvenirs, sometimes by intimidation.

hmmmoo nga nu, most of their players of African lineage are of 3rh or 4th generation, and the 1st gen migrants went to France not to play football/basketball, but to escape poverty/famine/war in their respective African states. But yet, a number of European states, specially in Eastern Europe, cries foul on this trend

[DAdmiral]

Realize the population make-up of other countries, Australia ( NZ is close) is made up of more than 50 % of it's population which are either born overseas or their parents are born overseas. Main cities are made up of around 30 % Asian decent. with pockets of population , Greek , Italian, Middle eastern and African . Eastern European as well.

of course almost all residents (98 %) are FIBA elgible. Now if eligibility were based on lineage , you realise all these pockets of different ethnicity could literally trace a relative in almost every part of the world ..

Get the implications of this in 1970 ( 50 years ago) Australia's population (mostly white) was half ( 12.5 M ) of what it is today ( 25 million) , new born to death is basically neutral (so population has not grown due to new born) . so you see 50 % or 12.5 Million people are immigrants who moved from overseas ( either them or their parents)

understand the implication to this terms of cultural do not's , if majority of people are "foreigners " essentially .(much higher in key cities) , do you think someone can say , you African or you Asian go back home where you belong ? Realize how incorrect that is . As essentially almost everyone is really not from Australia or New Zealand originally.

[Rds]

Realize the population make-up of other countries, Australia ( NZ is close) is made up of more than 50 % of it's population which are either born overseas or their parents are born overseas. Main cities are made up of around 30 % Asian decent. with pockets of population , Greek , Italian, Middle eastern and African . Eastern European as well.

of course almost all residents (98 %) are FIBA elgible. Now if eligibility were based on lineage , you realise all these pockets of different ethnicity could literally trace a relative in almost every part of the world ..

Get the implications of this in 1970 ( 50 years ago) Australia's population (mostly white) was half ( 12.5 M ) of what it is today ( 25 million) , new born to death is basically neutral (so population has not grown due to new born) . so you see 50 % or 12.5 Million people are immigrants who moved from overseas ( either them or their parents)

understand the implication to this terms of cultural do not's , if majority of people are "foreigners " essentially .(much higher in key cities) , do you think someone can say , you African or you Asian go back home where you belong ? Realize how incorrect that is . As essentially almost everyone is really not from Australia or New Zealand originally.

If that is the case, only Patty Mills will be left in the Oz team right?

[BJ_Reloaded]

Sorry I haven’t read previously posted messages even from the other thread about MP25 request for local exemption, only clich? and snippets from the other forumer here as my reference unless someone shared an official link or attach document coming from the SBP that indeed the lad was denied. Assuming it is confirmed, Whoever he or she may be, its very obvious that its to early to submit such request considering that the kid only got his PH pass after 16 but not latter that 18(?)”Excited naman sila masyado”, we were just starting to build-up some facts here just to comply with that basketball heritage stuff as per FIBA’s condition. Oh well, be that as it may, it’s still a good case to pursue several years from now considering that the kid’s mother is a Filipino, currently studying here, played already in several local league bannering DLSU, hopefully we could include the laddie on next years Asian Games line-up. I agreed with one of the forumers here that the brothers need to stay here for several years as a pre-requisite just to establish even more that so-called basketball immersion thing.

[C2Hamm]

If that is the case, only Patty Mills will be left in the Oz team right?

if you want a player whose players are Aussie when they were born, then more than half the team are like that. if you want a player who is not decent from somewhere else for the past X generation, then might be less. but we are looking if they are FIBA eligible here. not what country their parents were from.

[Sikatrix]

Realize the population make-up of other countries, Australia ( NZ is close) is made up of more than 50 % of it's population which are either born overseas or their parents are born overseas. Main cities are made up of around 30 % Asian decent. with pockets of population , Greek , Italian, Middle eastern and African . Eastern European as well.

of course almost all residents (98 %) are FIBA elgible. Now if eligibility were based on lineage , you realise all these pockets of different ethnicity could literally trace a relative in almost every part of the world ..

Get the implications of this in 1970 ( 50 years ago) Australia's population (mostly white) was half ( 12.5 M ) of what it is today ( 25 million) , new born to death is basically neutral (so population has not grown due to new born) . so you see 50 % or 12.5 Million people are immigrants who moved from overseas ( either them or their parents)

understand the implication to this terms of cultural do not's , if majority of people are "foreigners " essentially .(much higher in key cities) , do you think someone can say , you African or you Asian go back home where you belong ? Realize how incorrect that is . As essentially almost everyone is really not from Australia or New Zealand originally.

I think this is an issue of choice and not forcing anyone to any specific country. I think some level of connection is necessary but not as strict or stupid as the Hagop rule for sure. 15 yr old imports with zero connections is proof of its stupidity.

Youre a fan of the PH womens football team so I assume you believe they are worthy representatives of the country. Look what can be done without the Hagop rule.

[DAdmiral]

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My only point whatever the criteria for eligibility is , cannot be based on enthicity lineage. (Do not confuse this with lineage connection to a citizen (current or former ).

Of course the other common criterion are
1. residency
2 education and development heritage
3. Country Birth location
4. Age of immigration and residency ( the younger the better)

Not familiar with FIFA rules , but if they Count relationship to a former citizen (grandparents etc , so be it , but note it's specifically relationship to a citizen, not relationship to an person of enthicity. , if it was that then littierally all African Americans are connected to an African Nation. Or anyone with Irish enthicity can represent Ireland, which is insane ..

[ja.he]

Make no mistake about it, I believe that Hagop Rule can be tweaked a little more. However, for the meantime, we need to have a work around within the existing FIBA rules vis-a-vis our own citizenship laws.

D'Admiral, can you give me some pointers about facilitation for naturalization (PH), if you have any idea? Thanks.

[DAdmiral]

Make no mistake about it, I believe that Hagop Rule can be tweaked a little more. However, for the meantime, we need to have a work around within the existing FIBA rules vis-a-vis our own citizenship laws.

D'Admiral, can you give me some pointers about facilitation for naturalization (PH), if you have any idea? Thanks.

What do you mean about naturalization?
I'm familiar with getting a passport for U16 for those based overseas, if that's what you meant .
I also had a case , where embassy told me the kid could not get a passport unless he applied for naturalization, which to me was already to difficult to process and basically gave up. (Too hard basket)

[Giannis34GOD]

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My only point whatever the criteria for eligibility is , cannot be based on enthicity lineage. (Do not confuse this with lineage connection to a citizen (current or former ).

Of course the other common criterion are
1. residency
2 education and development heritage
3. Country Birth location
4. Age of immigration and residency ( the younger the better)

Not familiar with FIFA rules , but if they Count relationship to a former citizen (grandparents etc , so be it , but note it's specifically relationship to a citizen, not relationship to an person of enthicity. , if it was that then littierally all African Americans are connected to an African Nation. Or anyone with Irish enthicity can represent Ireland, which is insane ..

I saw also in FIBA rulebook that they also includes Blood heritage of player he will represent... Another one is that the federation should pay 20k USD (or 1 million PHP) for application fee... That's why other teams only apply 1 player due to huge amount of fee they will pay to FIBA.... Take the case of example is that the exemption status of Morgan of Thailand, Jawato of Indonesia and Justin Young of Vietnam....

[DAdmiral]

But to clarify blood heritage means, relationship to a former or current citizen (parent or grandparent). It does not mean relationship to a parent who possess certain enthicity (like Malay or Caucasian or Asian, or Pacific islander ), that's different.

On this there is no official record that Jalen Green or Clarkson parents or grandparents were former Philippine citizens.. from an ancestor blood perspective their connection to Philippines is similar to Lebron James connection to an African nation. I'm serious.

[sroth3839]

Random Q but who does Thirdy pattern his game to? Westbrook or Kyrie?

I’m assuming Russ because they both wear jersey #0?