Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[amabeast]

41st so far.. it could only go lower under the Reyeses

Another milestone by the great Chot Reyes.

[amabeast]

Until when will SBP turn a blind eye on what is going on? Results can't lie. How can they say that the Reyeses are doing a good job when day in day out bad results are coming in from Junior ranks to Senior. This is frustrating, a country like Japan who is not known for basketball and who can't beat us for the past 10 years until the latest has overtaken us in the ranking.

[JAMSKIE]

Until when will SBP turn a blind eye on what is going on? Results can't lie. How can they say that the Reyeses are doing a good job when day in day out bad results are coming in from Junior ranks to Senior. This is frustrating, a country like Japan who is not known for basketball and who can't beat us for the past 10 years until the latest has overtaken us in the ranking.

Ok lang yan bro, we are just 41st in the FIBA ranking. Maybe if we languish at 141st place, the great Al Panlilio would decide that its time for Choke Reyes to resign. Doon pa lang matauhan ang mga magagaling sa SBP

[IPC]

Ok lang yan bro, we are just 41st in the FIBA ranking. Maybe if we languish at 141st place, the great Al Panlilio would decide that its time for Choke Reyes to resign. Doon pa lang matauhan ang mga magagaling sa SBP

It's not just Reyes (father and son) and the management. There are many other aspects which need work for these guys (and for Philippine basketball as a whole).

1. Player development.

As Sikatrix repeatedly says, we need to work to send our best prospects to D1, or Europe, or NBL. I'll add, we need stakeholders (SBP, SMC, MVP, Chooks, Converge) to pool resources in order to sponsor athletes' journeys abroad. The better we develop players, the better the players left to the PBA will be.

Furthermore, I think the development of every player should ideally help them fit and perform better in international basketball, wherever pro league they may end up. We have produced guards like Castro, Terrence, Bolick, Perez, and we have more to follow in SJ, RJ, although they're not of the same caliber. What we need to produce and develop are more of are wings like Oftana, Malonzo, and Navarro, and fours like Justine Baltazar and Carl Tamayo. If we do have tall bigs (6'9"+), we might need to develop them to be rim protectors, rim-runners, and if possible, maybe low-post options (but the former two are more important). In positions 3-5, we need height and versatility. Guys like Abueva, Ping, RDO are the exception. Shooters like Chan, Heading, and Marcio help too.

2. Philosophy in FIBA.

On offense, we need a system to put our players in positions where they can score more easily, and that system must be initiated as early as possible, around the 20-18 second mark. Of course, when it hits a wall, our players must be allowed to create, there must be some room for bara-bara play, but only late in the clock, around the 9 second mark. Nenad and Charles Tiu have good systems, might use them. Aldin Ayo too.

On defense, protect the paint, which means rim protectors like Ange, Japeth, and Kai are a must. Guys like Malonzo help too. However, we must also be able to rotate outside, don't let opponents get into a rhythm from 3. Lessen games like Lebanon (Asia Cup 2017 and 2022), SoKor (Asia Cup 2017), Japan (Asia Cup 2022), Kazakhstan (WC qualifiers 2018). And also, we might need to learn how to rough up opponents without fouling, since we like to brag about our physicality so much. Ateneo, UP, La Salle, Magnolia, MERALCO, and RoS are legitimately good defensive teams whose schemes fit in an international setting, maybe these are good examples.

As long as we can score and get stops, ayun. Ironic that without Tab, our defense has been a mess, despite having legitimately good defensive systems in the UAAP and the PBA.

3. Foreign coaches as mentors.

Although we have good coaches among the next generation, we might still need foreign coaches as mentors to our other coaches with regards to tactics and how to develop players. We need to produce more internationally-fit coaches. A few is nice, but the more, the merrier. Foreign coaches like Tab and Nenad could help produce more coaches here.

These, in my opinion, are what our basketball culture needs to fix. If SBP starts this, e 'di better. If not, I just hope that some teams can change the culture, at least, with regards to systems and player development.

[gilasfan]

Parasabayan my Nuts

[JAMSKIE]

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Same as what politicians are telling us

[IPC]

Reviewing the numbers of the past two World Cups, and I found that we actually performed pretty decently on defense in 2014, with a defensive rating of 106.8. Further more, we allowed a 44.3% FG (31.7% 3PT), and forced 14 turnovers a game.

2019 on the other hand was a goddamn disaster. A defensive rating of 128.6, while allowing an FG of 53.7% (45.2% from 3). Furthermore, we forced only 12.2 turnovers a game.

Man, how our defense fell through those years.

[Rds]

Reviewing the numbers of the past two World Cups, and I found that we actually performed pretty decently on defense in 2014, with a defensive rating of 106.8. Further more, we allowed a 44.3% FG (31.7% 3PT), and forced 14 turnovers a game.

2019 on the other hand was a goddamn disaster. A defensive rating of 128.6, while allowing an FG of 53.7% (45.2% from 3). Furthermore, we forced only 12.2 turnovers a game.

Man, how our defense fell through those years.

Yengs physical D is probably not Fiba legal. Barroca was supposed to be the point of attack defender but his PBA defense was called a foul everytime. No Ping. Not sure if Norwood was there. But Blatche was also a step slower defensively.

[IPC]

Yengs physical D is probably not Fiba legal. Barroca was supposed to be the point of attack defender but his PBA defense was called a foul everytime. No Ping. Not sure if Norwood was there. But Blatche was also a step slower defensively.

No Ping, but Gabe was there.

Man, we need replacements for them as defensive anchors.

[IPC]

I also noticed that we have a number of teams that employ defensive schemes that can translate to the international level. Ateneo, UP, La Salle, Magnolia, MERALCO, RoS. I'm talking about scheme, not the other stuff.

That makes our NT's defensive ineptitude without Tab all the more frustrating. We have teams that have good defensive schemes, so how come we can't translate that to the NT?

[Dotch]

I also noticed that we have a number of teams that employ defensive schemes that can translate to the international level. Ateneo, UP, La Salle, Magnolia, MERALCO, RoS. I'm talking about scheme, not the other stuff.

That makes our NT's defensive ineptitude without Tab all the more frustrating. We have teams that have good defensive schemes, so how come we can't translate that to the NT?

IMO: Lack of prep time and familiarity. Its easier to coach offensive sets because pinoy ballers' innate skills and instincts on that end, and maybe individual man to man defensive skills like blocking, taking charge or that pinoy trait of simpleng siko. Team defense is whole lot different animal. its like the team should in in sync like the back-4 in soccer, where the squad move as a unit.

[thatweirdguy]

Yengs physical D is probably not Fiba legal. Barroca was supposed to be the point of attack defender but his PBA defense was called a foul everytime. No Ping. Not sure if Norwood was there. But Blatche was also a step slower defensively.

Well Barok was brought in as a defensive specialist but wasn't really effective and was limited offensively like Gabe. If you can't defend and help the offence what's your value then? But the whole team sucked as a whole that's it's hard to find a scrape goat

[IPC]

its a common thing for a Tim Cone team usually first 2 games they don't play good, though that give an open 3 than a 2 defense is always the chink in ginebra's armor especially if the other team is waxing hot from the three, like in the fourth quarter there were several times Nieto was open because Mariano was like 2 steps away from his as he's trying to cover the shaded lane despite rain or shine shooting 41% from the 3

That give up an open three than easy 2 defense was a big concern for me when Cone was appointed as an assistant for the NT. His Gilas allowed Indonesia to shoot 16-40 (40%) while Thailand shot 11-32 (34%) from 3. At least as the team's defensive coordinator, the team's interior defense improved, although Kai, Japeth, and Malonzo were big there. Just need to see some better rotations in the perimeter, and we'll be good.

[IPC]

IMO: Lack of prep time and familiarity. Its easier to coach offensive sets because pinoy ballers' innate skills and instincts on that end, and maybe individual man to man defensive skills like blocking, taking charge or that pinoy trait of simpleng siko. Team defense is whole lot different animal. its like the team should in in sync like the back-4 in soccer, where the squad move as a unit.

So having a solid long-term core is important in building the team. and that core should be drilled on a good team defense system, that helps them rotate to the paint and to the three-point line. Long prep times before tournaments proper help too.

[CoJ]

Well Barok was brought in as a defensive specialist but wasn't really effective and was limited offensively like Gabe. If you can't defend and help the offence what's your value then? But the whole team sucked as a whole that's it's hard to find a scrape goat

Yengs physical D is probably not Fiba legal. Barroca was supposed to be the point of attack defender but his PBA defense was called a foul everytime. No Ping. Not sure if Norwood was there. But Blatche was also a step slower defensively.

plus the FIBA WC was just a year after the Phil Arena Brawl, FIBA refs were on to us and were quick to blow the whistle to avoid another incident. Our players need to learn not to use their siko and braso in playing physical d.