Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[C2Hamm]

Yeah, I agree, the Ravena brothers best upside is their availability. But my point really is that, who among the PBA's top shooting guards could be considered as an upgrade to Thirdy given the limited period that these PBA players would train & play for Gilas prior to the 2023 World Cup? As I've said, these PBA players need the reps to get the feel of the FIBA game. Maybe a CJ Perez could be considered as a bit of an upgrade but I don't think Perez would be a significant upgrade over Thirdy. Maybe Heading would be the better option, but just how committed Heading is to Gilas?

I don't think Newsome is an upgrade to Thirdy. Besides, Newsome is already 32. Rhenz Abando on the other hand is still raw & inexperience for a big tournament like the World Cup. An aspect which gives Thirdy some edge over PBA 2-guards like Perez, Newsome & Paul Lee is youth. Thirdy is 25, while Perez is 28, Newsome is 32, while Lee is already 33.

Let's face it, at 25, Thirdy has not yet reached his peak, which means that he still has some room for improvement. He's not yet a finished product.

I diont watch the PBA but im sure there are better overall players than thirdy or kiefer.. just to answer the question, how will thirdy be used? Per last window, barely used and might just be a spark plug off the bench to defend. If thats the case, i wont mind getting oftana, mocon, javi, or even mike nieto. If healthy, no reason not to try alas, matt nieto, and bolick. I watched these players in college enough to know that if they will only pkay limited mins, they would still show some positive compared to thirdy and kiefer. Kiefers strength is being able to adapt to different system. Not helpful if you will play less than 10mins a game.

[C2Hamm]

Might as well say id use abueva than thirdy

[ja.he]

Well definitely he has to or else his three aint a smart shot.

actually, his 3pt % was quite high in King Abdullah Cup. even though i don't have the stats from their rematch against Tunisia, from his game against Egypt up to the rematch against Jordan A, he shot 11/25 from beyond the arc. that's 44%.

[Sikatrix]

actually, his 3pt % was quite high in King Abdullah Cup. even though i don't have the stats from their rematch against Tunisia, from his game against Egypt up to the rematch against Jordan A, he shot 11/25 from beyond the arc. that's 44%.

At the end of the day, his shooting the BLeague will be our barometer by 2023. Its recent performance that matters the most. Jamie Malonzo once led the UAAP on 3pt shooting but his PBA performance has been mid shooting wise. I hope he and Will in the KBL will show improvement.

[Silent Killer]

the senate hearing between SBP, PSC and the senate





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[JAMSKIE]

I diont watch the PBA but im sure there are better overall players than thirdy or kiefer.. just to answer the question, how will thirdy be used? Per last window, barely used and might just be a spark plug off the bench to defend. If thats the case, i wont mind getting oftana, mocon, javi, or even mike nieto. If healthy, no reason not to try alas, matt nieto, and bolick. I watched these players in college enough to know that if they will only pkay limited mins, they would still show some positive compared to thirdy and kiefer. Kiefers strength is being able to adapt to different system. Not helpful if you will play less than 10mins a game.

I'm afraid that is not the case bro. I mean, there aren't so may PBA players who are better than Thirdy & Kiefer Ravena in the 1 & 2 positions.

Again, who are the best shooting guards in the PBA right now? CJ Perez, Paul Lee, Chris Newsome, RR Pogoy, right? Of the 4, I think its only CJ Perez who can be the better shooting guard than Thirdy in the FIBA game, but I think di naman ganoon kalayo ang capabilities ng 2. While Paul Lee has proven to be serviceable for Gilas some years ago, he is a deadweight on defense & at 33 yrs of age, he seems a bit washed-up already. RR Pogoy? Oh come on, the dude has laid a fat egg in FIBA games in the last 3 yrs or so. Pogoy looks only good playing in the PBA, but come FIBA game, he's an eyesore. Chris Newsome? I don't think Newsome is any better than Thirdy when it comes to the FIBA game. In fact, I see Thirdy as the better player. Maybe my preference for Thirdy over those older players is influenced by the advocacy for long term program or preparing for the future beyond 2023 World Cup.

At point guard, who among the PBA's best point guards could be considered as equal to or better than Kiefer? Well, I think Robert Bolick is better than Kiefer. What about Kevin Alas, Aaron Black, Matt Nieto? Well, Alas & Black are worth a try, but as I pointed out, will they get enough reps in the FIBA or international game for them to adjust & get used to the atmosphere of the FIBA game which is different from that of the PBA game? If only these players will play around 20 FIBA or international games or tune-ups prior to the 2023 World Cup, then I guess those games would be enough to test these players how they assimilate with the FIBA game.

Some suggest we should unretire Jason Castro for the 2023 World Cup. Come on! That's counter-productive to the cause of developing younger players for the future.

[JAMSKIE]

actually, his 3pt % was quite high in King Abdullah Cup. even though i don't have the stats from their rematch against Tunisia, from his game against Egypt up to the rematch against Jordan A, he shot 11/25 from beyond the arc. that's 44%.

https://www.rappler.com/sports/gilas-pilipinas/king-abdullah-cup-game-results-philippines-saudi-arabia-july-27-2021/

Justin Baltazar shot 4 out of 4 from 3-pt range vs. Saudi Arabia in the 2021 King Abdullah Cup.

[reamily]

https://www.rappler.com/sports/gilas...-july-27-2021/

Justin Baltazar shot 4 out of 4 from 3-pt range vs. Saudi Arabia in the 2021 King Abdullah Cup.

Eye test he passed, in stats he passed also, Justine Baltazar is a "piece" on our team..

[ja.he]

At the end of the day, his shooting the BLeague will be our barometer by 2023. Its recent performance that matters the most. Jamie Malonzo once led the UAAP on 3pt shooting but his PBA performance has been mid shooting wise. I hope he and Will in the KBL will show improvement.

the more reason we should scratch off the inclusion of Japeth and look just court AJ.

[PaulLee3]

Maybe this guy can be a future gilas coach in the mosquito division

[C2Hamm]

I'm afraid that is not the case bro. I mean, there aren't so may PBA players who are better than Thirdy & Kiefer Ravena in the 1 & 2 positions.

I wont argue on names as i said, i dont watch PBa anymore. But im coming from, the ravenas will barely play unless its garbage time. If you are not in ccr's 8man rotation, you'll get 5mins or less. If you are telling me that alas, black, newsome cant be productive in 5mins of play, then i dont know why they are even stars in the PBA. All we need, to replace the ravenas, are players who can be productive in around 5mins per game. If we dont have it and need the ravenas, then i guess we pray to b league to always have them available.
Singit lng na tanong, is adams useful in case he replaces thirdy's spot? If not, why in the world did mvp pay to exempt him from hagop rule?

[Rodbi]

I wont argue on names as i said, i dont watch PBa anymore. But im coming from, the ravenas will barely play unless its garbage time. If you are not in ccr's 8man rotation, you'll get 5mins or less. If you are telling me that alas, black, newsome cant be productive in 5mins of play, then i dont know why they are even stars in the PBA. All we need, to replace the ravenas, are players who can be productive in around 5mins per game. If we dont have it and need the ravenas, then i guess we pray to b league to always have them available.
Singit lng na tanong, is adams useful in case he replaces thirdy's spot? If not, why in the world did mvp pay to exempt him from hagop rule?

Adams is actually eligible to play for Gilas as a local.

https://tiebreakertimes.com.ph/tbt/chot-reyes-explains-why-he-didnt-get-free-agents-bolick-adams-for-gilas/231053#:~:text=Adams%20is%20actually%20eligible%20to%20play%20for%20Gilas,very%20well%20complied%20with%20the%20well-known%20%E2%80%98Hagop%20rule.%E2%80%99

[C2Hamm]

Adams is actually eligible to play for Gilas as a local.

https://tiebreakertimes.com.ph/tbt/c...rule.%E2%80%99

Ok, so malonzo, newsome and ahanmisi was exempted and adams wasnt and is a local as is. Thanks for the correction

[ja.he]

Ok, so malonzo, newsome and ahanmisi was exempted and adams wasnt and is a local as is. Thanks for the correction

only Newsome. Malonzo is eligible to play as local since he got his passport at age 8 while Ahanmisi has a special document that proves that he is a local under FIBA Eligibility Rules.

[C2Hamm]

only Newsome. Malonzo is eligible to play as local since he got his passport at age 8 while Ahanmisi has a special document that proves that he is a local under FIBA Eligibility Rules.

Ahanmisi is an exemption. He didnt have a passport with issue date before his 16th bday but he has another doc. Only the sec gen can decide if he is eligible or not and he was exempted. Thats what rule of section 3.20 is for.
I dont know how malonzo's case went. If he has a physical passport to show or not but there are docs saying he did have a passport before. Bottom line all of them are now treated as local. But going back to initial question, are these players not good enough to replace the ravenas?