Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[Rds]

In terms of outside shooting, I believe PBA superstars back then are more skilled than the present ones. I remember during warm ups Samboy, Ato, Hector, Allan, Alvin, Benjie, etc almost never missed. I even saw Samboy shooting from 25-28 feet during warm ups that time and was comfortably swishing it.

You may be generalizing. Paras was not an excellent outside shooter. He did not have a jumpshot only a setshot. I do not think set shots are usable in the pros now unless I guess you are a 7 footer.

[Chef30]

You may be generalizing. Paras was not an excellent outside shooter. He did not have a jumpshot only a setshot. I do not think set shots are usable in the pros now unless I guess you are a 7 footer.

My bad. I meant "most" of them had decent to almost automatic shooting. I have also observed that most of today's long range shots are also not jumpshots...they are quick set shots. And they are not just limited to 7 footers.

[CoJ]

You may be generalizing. Paras was not an excellent outside shooter. He did not have a jumpshot only a setshot. I do not think set shots are usable in the pros now unless I guess you are a 7 footer.

i think paras developed his set shot late in his career (during the arrival of the fil-ams), i remember some analyst calling it tirang tamad

[Chef30]

i think paras developed his set shot late in his career (during the arrival of the fil-ams), i remember some analyst calling it tirang tamad

I think he already had it before the fil-ams came. I just watched his 1996 Commissioners Cup Finals Highlights. Bong Hawkins will not close out on him if he was not an outside threat. He also did a quick set shot(vs Chambers) and an and 1 jumpshot against Juinio's closeout.

[ja.he]

"I once asked a Korean coach, 'How come your players have very consistent shooting?'" Caidic shared. "His answer was very simple. He said Filipinos start learning to dribble and pass first. Koreans learn to shoot first."

This is evident during the pre-game warm-ups of Gilas, both in youth and in seniors - instead of practicing their shooting, our players are doing layups and dunks.

https://www.espn.ph/basketball/story/_/id/34514992/happened-next-great-filipino-shooter

[judasmartel]

"I once asked a Korean coach, 'How come your players have very consistent shooting?'" Caidic shared. "His answer was very simple. He said Filipinos start learning to dribble and pass first. Koreans learn to shoot first."

This is evident during the pre-game warm-ups of Gilas, both in youth and in seniors - instead of practicing their shooting, our players are doing layups and dunks.

https://www.espn.ph/basketball/story...lipino-shooter

Influenced by American basketball and the NBA, especially Allen Iverson.

[Sikatrix]

"I once asked a Korean coach, 'How come your players have very consistent shooting?'" Caidic shared. "His answer was very simple. He said Filipinos start learning to dribble and pass first. Koreans learn to shoot first."

This is evident during the pre-game warm-ups of Gilas, both in youth and in seniors - instead of practicing their shooting, our players are doing layups and dunks.

https://www.espn.ph/basketball/story...lipino-shooter

My theory is pinoy basketball players take basketball seriously at too young an age so they have to unlearn there original jumpshot that they developed as little kids.

[magic_chiongson]

Influenced by American basketball and the NBA, especially Allen Iverson.

you'd think steph curry would influence shooting on our younger players, instead we got kids like the suklay bros (padrigao & fortea). at least the current batang gilas crop of guards are not as bad as kai's generation

[amabeast]

OT: Alex Eala wins the Junior US Open. As long as there is no Choke Reyes-like personality in other sports, I think we can excel.

Next is the Softball World Cup. I just recently found out that we are actually ranked #21 in the world. Better than basketball, but where is the support?

I think we really have a good chance in softball and baseball if they are given better support.

[ARMIR]

OT: Alex Eala wins the Junior US Open. As long as there is no Choke Reyes-like personality in other sports, I think we can excel.

Next is the Softball World Cup. I just recently found out that we are actually ranked #21 in the world. Better than basketball, but where is the support?

I think we really have a good chance in softball and baseball if they are given better support.

The question in Asia is why Filipinos not excelling in baseball,back in the day that was the sport of Filipinos,even good enough to strike out the great Babe Ruth and the Yankees in RMS.I mean SK and Japan constantly putting up players in MLB,equal to Americans and Latinos.

[Rodbi]

The question in Asia is why Filipinos not excelling in baseball,back in the day that was the sport of Filipinos,even good enough to strike out the great Babe Ruth and the Yankees in RMS.I mean SK and Japan constantly putting up players in MLB,equal to Americans and Latinos.

I think Pinoys still excel in baseball, but only at younger age group competition. It stops at a certain age for our players maybe because most of them are advised or they themselves realize at some point to no longer continue playing as they will not have stable baseball pro careers here in the PHL. If only our high school athletes (the 6-footers) would only consider playing baseball, i think they'd be considered great prospects if not for the MiLB, at least for the top Asian pro baseball leagues. One still needs to be good-sized in baseball to have better chances of being scouted.

[JAMSKIE]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OVU-LTvtypQ

Nice analysis on Aaron Black. I think Black deserves to be in the Gilas pool with the way he played in the recent Phi Cup. He has really made remarkable improvement & his Nos. speak for himself. For me, it would make more sense that Aaron Black is named to the Gilas pool more than his fellow Meralco teammates Maliksi & Almazan were named to the Gilas pool in the 4th window.

One upside I see in Black as compared to other Gilas pool members is his age, at 25 he is expected to improve further. Also, at 6-foot-1, he is a good size point guard.

[ARMIR]

I think Pinoys still excel in baseball, but only at younger age group competition. It stops at a certain age for our players maybe because most of them are advised or they themselves realize at some point to no longer continue playing as they will not have stable baseball pro careers here in the PHL. If only our high school athletes (the 6-footers) would only consider playing baseball, i think they'd be considered great prospects if not for the MiLB, at least for the top Asian pro baseball leagues. One still needs to be good-sized in baseball to have better chances of being scouted.

Speaking of size its not uncommon in MLB to have 6'5 or above pitchers,imagine a 6'10 pitcher on top of the 10 inch mound hurling 100MPH fastballs,it takes alot of cajones to not flinch and actually try to hit that.Baseball and the NFL is the bane of the NBA as far as getting the local American talent,some of the skilled tall players end up in those leagues instead.The Filipino players and fans need to get that one national sport mentality,but with the other sports having a winning seasons and a well marketed superstar might change the sport landscape in the Philippines.

[Rodbi]

Speaking of size its not uncommon in MLB to have 6'5 or above pitchers,imagine a 6'10 pitcher on top of the 10 inch mound hurling 100MPH fastballs,it takes alot of cajones to not flinch and actually try to hit that.Baseball and the NFL is the bane of the NBA as far as getting the local American talent,some of the skilled tall players end up in those leagues instead.The Filipino players and fans need to get that one national sport mentality,but with the other sports having a winning seasons and a well marketed superstar might change the sport landscape in the Philippines.

I remember T-Mac being a pitcher in HS and in the minor leagues after his NBA career, not sure though if he and his 6'8" frame could hurl 2 or 4-seamers in the high 90's.

I agree, there needs to be another massive breakthrough in other PHL team sports to kickstart a public (and billionaire sport patrons') interest at least half of basketball's. The closest was the Azkals craze in the early 2010's that should've significantly influenced the football grassroots program for a decade at least. It just so happened that the Gilas program also gained momentum and was winning during those years, that's why the focus of the Filipino sports audiences didn't fully shift to football. That Gilas momentum paired with the Azkals' inability to win a Suzuki Cup or a SEAG medal also didn't help and might have spelled the doom for that short-lived hype for PHL football.

[judasmartel]

you'd think steph curry would influence shooting on our younger players, instead we got kids like the suklay bros (padrigao & fortea). at least the current batang gilas crop of guards are not as bad as kai's generation

I feel like a lot of old heads and even some newer gen fans and players dislike how Steph Curry dominated the league by just shooting 3s, now everyone and their mother basically jack up 3s even if they're cold from that range. Hence the criticisms of the modern game being soft and glorified 3-point shooting contests with little to no big man plays in the paint like in the 1990s and the 2000s.