Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[ja.he]

Tim Cone is not a foreign coach. He may be a foreign looking, but he's not a foreigner. Also, he started, evolved, developed and perfected his craft locally. Ditto with Norman Black and Alex Compton.

From what ive seen he is just a permanent resident. Unless something has changed that I cant find. Anyway, barely matters. I understand your point.

https://tiebreakertimes.com.ph/tbt/k...ack-90s/186209

Tim Cone is the least "foreign" of all coaches. He's lived in the PH since he was 9 or 10.

Of course, by our laws, he's technically a foreigner since he is a non-citizen

You can be born in the Philippines,both parents are non citizen,you're not a Filipino citizen,yet you're not the same citizenship as your parents,in short you're a person without a country.Thousands of born in the Philippines not considered Filipinos who lived for decades.

Tim Cone is not stateless. He is a US citizen. The US has both jus soli and jus sanguinis. It is on him to actually apply for naturalization, but that would require him to give up his US citizenship, unless the Congress decides to bestow him citizenship

Regardless of this nationality, Tim Cone didnt acquire his coaching skills outside of the country, and prior to his Miami Heat summer gig, he didn't coach any overseas pro, semi-pro, or non PHL national teams. That's what i meant by "Tim Cone Is Not a Foreign Coach"

That's why I said earlier he is the "least foreign" but techbically, by law, he is a foreigner

Alex Compton?

that's why our citizenship laws are absurd - you are either born or raised in the philippines. breathe as a filipino. talk and walk like a filipino. you are culturally-assimilated with those in the philippines. however, since your parents are not filipinos, the only way you can become a filipino is through naturalization. that's absurd.

[Artek]

that's why our citizenship laws are absurd - you are either born or raised in the philippines. breathe as a filipino. talk and walk like a filipino. you are culturally-assimilated with those in the philippines. however, since your parents are not filipinos, the only way you can become a filipino is through naturalization. that's absurd.

I find the cost of naturalization more absurd. Like, you have to spend 200k for the fees just to naturalize.

Compare that to US naturalization which is like $1500.

I would not like an unli-jus soli either where even babies of "tourists" are afforded citizenship.

Best to make naturalization cheaper. After all, the process has a lot of safeguards to make sure that the applicant is really integrated/assimilated. The cost is just too prohibitive

[C2Hamm]

that's why our citizenship laws are absurd - you are either born or raised in the philippines. breathe as a filipino. talk and walk like a filipino. you are culturally-assimilated with those in the philippines. however, since your parents are not filipinos, the only way you can become a filipino is through naturalization. that's absurd.

we have lots of laws that needs to be updated. but, people are all under the assumption that politicians will prolong their grip in power. im pretty we can amend the constitution and before it gets passed, people can actually have a say to remove any extension to power updates. we can have a referendum to accept updates and even zero in on the extension.

[Artek]

Alex Compton?

Compton was just born in the PH but he did not really grow up here unlike Tim Cone.

[ja.he]

I find the cost of naturalization more absurd. Like, you have to spend 200k for the fees just to naturalize.

Compare that to US naturalization which is like $1500.

I would not like an unli-jus soli either where even babies of "tourists" are afforded citizenship.

Best to make naturalization cheaper. After all, the process has a lot of safeguards to make sure that the applicant is really integrated/assimilated. The cost is just too prohibitive

make more leeway. that's all i can say for now.

we have lots of laws that needs to be updated. but, people are all under the assumption that politicians will prolong their grip in power. im pretty we can amend the constitution and before it gets passed, people can actually have a say to remove any extension to power updates. we can have a referendum to accept updates and even zero in on the extension.

nativist and purist mentality need to be stopped right now. this is already counter-productive for us, not only in basketball but also in other facets of life.

[Artek]

make more leeway. that's all i can say for now.



nativist and purist mentality need to be stopped right now. this is already counter-productive for us, not only in basketball but also in other facets of life.

Truly integrated/assimilated foreign residents will pass the naturalization if it weren't expensive.

The only people who will complain about the non-monetary requirements are the people who want to benefit but not give back and integrate.

[ja.he]

Truly integrated/assimilated foreign residents will pass the naturalization if it weren't expensive.

The only people who will complain about the non-monetary requirements are the people who want to benefit but not give back and integrate.

Many Africans residing here are like that.

We are really blood/relationship-centric that we are even taking pride for Fil-Foreigners succeeding overseas when they don't even have cultural links to the Philippines. Still recognize as Filipino citizens those with Filipino parents but make things a little bit easier for those that want to become Filipino citizens.

For me, i want balance, as all things should be

[F-15Eagle]

SBP should be made up of all the stakeholders. Ideally the stakeholders should be Pro League ( PBA) , Semi Pro (PBL before, MPBL, FilBasket), Women's, College Leagues (UAAP, NCAA etc), Wheelchair league (bruhh..), Players organization, Ref organization, etc ..then they appoint Board of Trustees, and within the board, they hire an independent CEO or in this case, the SBP president.

I think that's how SBP was originally setup. but that is not what is happening now. It's just about who has the money to finance the federation.

The problem with this stakeholder set-up is that whatever basketball NSA we put up, regardless of who the people behind it are, it is still at the mercy of the local leagues be it Amateur or Pros. The NSA has to beg (which should not be the case) for player's availability. Each league has different format and schedules most of which are non-Fiba aligned.
We could assemble an independent team to be together for a few years..but players soon gets pirated by local and now foreign leagues. And once in they are playing professionally in those leagues, especially the ones playing in the PBA, its hard to secure their availability as it is the only league with almost no
What is the bottomline then? well Money obviously.

Aside from player availability the one thing that is killing us is constant changes in the Program. I mean, as good as they are in business they are as fickle-minded if not more than a woman who has no idea what to wear or what to eat.. They seem to hate continuity in their programs. They change their mind a lot as to how the basketball program should be run.

One doesn't need rocket science to know that without the proper system and continuity, we will never have the results we want.
Imagine Coach Chot Reyes assembling the 2011 Gilas squad with two weeks practice? Yep it would be a massacre.
Yet, that team under Toroman, lacking in size and star-power went toe to toe with the basketball powerhouses of Asia.
or Tab Baldwin guiding an all amateur squad, beating Korea twice and giving a good account of themselves in the Olympic qualifiers...
Had Coach Chot handled that team, (even with Baltazar Kouame and Sotto around) it would have been massacred by Korea.

We need a foreign coach and we need continuity. But money pride and politics stand the way.

[Artek]

^^ if they kept Nenad up until the Asia Cup, we'll probably see different results. But no, instead, they opt to shake the stability boat again by inserting Curse Reyes who can't even commit himself fully.

The WC qualifiers and the Asia Cup were just a month apart yet they inserted the Curse

[JAMSKIE]

Choke Reyes & SBP believing that the solution to this mess is by bringing in as many PBA players in the Gilas team is like saving a sinking save with a pail.

Coaching is the root of the problem, not the players.

[Dotch]

Many Africans residing here are like that.

We are really blood/relationship-centric that we are even taking pride for Fil-Foreigners succeeding overseas when they don't even have cultural links to the Philippines. Still recognize as Filipino citizens those with Filipino parents but make things a little bit easier for those that want to become Filipino citizens.

For me, i want balance, as all things should be

We let the best one get away: Ben Mbala.

[Artek]

Choke Reyes & SBP believing that the solution to this mess is by bringing in as many PBA players in the Gilas team is like saving a sinking save with a pail.

Coaching is the root of the problem, not the players.

They want the PBA players with much less FIBA experience that the cadets

[JAMSKIE]

They want the PBA players with much less FIBA experience that the cadets

PBA players some of whom have bad habits which would be detrimental to Gilas in the long run. PBA players who might even disrupt the chemistry which was already established by the cadet or developmental players from last year. I believe that players like Dwight, Thirdy, WillNav, Tamayo, Balty, Chiu, Kai, Kouame, Belangel, Abarrientos already have established chemistry.

As I kept on saying, I want only about 2 or 3 PBA players in the Gilas final 12-man roster. Anything beyond that No. may have adverse effect on the team.

[BJ_Reloaded]

We let the best one get away: Ben Mbala.

Sir Dotch we cannot do about BM anymore...I hope those moonlighting basketball officials may consider Malik Diouf moving forward.

[IPC]

This team didn't play Pinoy style in this tournament: https://twitter.com/kilikilishot/sta...t5XdE8Ixg&s=19

Says the system controlled the players too much, although he acknowledges that it might be for the best long-term.

He further said that Pinoy basketball identity is run-and-gun, and play semi-physical. While I couldn't care less about the offense, so long as it works, I just wish that that physicality is used on defense. Since Ping, RDO, and Abueva left, our defense has been bad or finesse.

Honestly, I'd want a defensive identity for the team. Emulate NZ's physicality, and just add a defensive system and constant coaching and drilling. If you want a run-and-gun team that is also physical but disciplined on defense, I think UP might be good to emulate. We ran a lot, and we also defended well, especially against Ateneo in the finals. Blitz schemes, pressing, good rotations, and effort on defense.