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  • I'm curious how Thompson will perform in FIBA Asia with *proper coaching*, not Guiao coaching

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    • Originally posted by robert0326
      Indonesia and PHL has same mindset... Too much nationalism, ego and pride... They want local coaches to be the main priority, But unlike PBA, IBL accepting foreign coaches in their league and allowing naturalized players to play as locals....
      Originally posted by C2Hamm View Post
      you and I, and majority in this forum, knows that is not true. its not local vs foreign, it's control of the basketball narrative in the country. after SEA games, a lot of fans didn't even want a PBA player in Gilas anymore. there was even a discussion if anyone in PBA can excel in FIBA. what happened? labas ng news that Malonzo is eligible. he isnt playing or in the pool now, so what was the news for? but guess what? fans now have Malonzo stapled in their dream lineup. photo of MVP and RSA circulated, long hair saying they will lend whatever and whoever, again fans started up and down. but now who do we have new in the team? Parks and Erram only.
      a lot of these news wont mean anything if CTB was still at the helm. why? we know he wont add players if they dont have atleast a month of training with him.doesnt matter who meets with who or shake whose hands. CTB was using players outside PBA. but now the head coach is PBA affiliated, any news just keeps fans excited either with happiness or anger. if happy, they insert PBA in the conversation. if not, they just shut up. so again, they are able to control how fans look at basketball.
      We questioned the ability of PBA players to play in Gilas because of how bad the PBA players bar June Mar played on both ends. Not just the past SEA Games, but almost every tournament we played in since the 2016 OQT. After the 2021 all-amateur team beat SoKor and kept it close against Serbia's B-team, that further supported the argument that we should be focusing on the non-PBA players at this point, as right now, most of our best players in each position are OUTSIDE the PBA, in terms of both size and ability. Pero ayun.

      If the PBA controls the narrative, starting with the Asia Cup, then they insert their favorite players, regardless of age, timeline, and FIBA-fitness or FIBA performance.

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      • Originally posted by IPC View Post
        If the PBA controls the narrative, starting with the Asia Cup, then they insert their favorite players, regardless of age, timeline, and FIBA-fitness or FIBA performance.
        why would they do that? if they fail, then fans wont follow them. controlling the narrative means they always look good for the fans and fans follow them regardless of how bad actual results are.

        lets put it this way, lets say Gilas fail for the next 20 years. (wag sana of course) that will not stop Philippines from participating in international competition because Philippines will always be part of the international community and will always join events to strengthen this.
        If PBA fails for even 10 years in the eyes of the fans, that will give an opening to potential competition to come in. PBA needs to profit, for itself atleast, to continue to exist. Gilas doesnt. even if Gilas is shutdown, something else will take its place to rep the country. Right now, PBA is still a powerful sports figure in the country even if other leagues are coming up. if it dies, lets think about it hard, it doesnt automatically mean a new league of same calibre will rise up. why? because our leagues are commercial in nature. for another league to come up, it has to have a pool of owners that have money to burn. and even if it does, it doesnt mean it would be effective. look at MBA.

        going back to topic, if they let CNV coach and we got 8th to 6th place with only 3 PBA players (Kiefer, BRP, and Erram), then it would further cement the notion that best players are not in the PBA. why do you think PBA is doing its best to scare players to get drafted? so that they can be associated to PBA. wala na nga sa liga si Kiefer and BRP but they are still considered PBA players when you read\watch the news. if CCR coaches and we get 6th to 8th place, then one of the best coach is from PBA. if he fails, he'll come out and say we need more PBA players. what kind of control over narrative do you need? these same tactics are used by politicians around the world. its not new. its just frustrating that SBP\PBA is too much to help PBA. its ok to me if you give some preferential treatment to PBA. but come on, if you guys say you'll lend, mean it. if you say you will help. show it.
        WE DON'T COUNT YEARS, WE COUNT CENTURIES

        P. Noval, A.H. Lacson, Dapitan, Espanya
        SANTO TOMAS APAT NA DAAN

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        • For those who have seen a good No. of games of Northport in the PBA, do you think Malonzo's defense is decent enough for the asian basketball level? In a SMB-Northport game just recently, I saw several times Malonzo guarding CJ Perez. Knowing how lethal Perez' offense is (I think perez is the best 2-guard in the PBA right now), I feel Northport coach Pido Jarencio has high regard & confidence on Malonzo's defense.
          "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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          • Originally posted by Bonifacio View Post
            I think the priority is for PBA players to play for Gilas to showcase that PBA players are still the best except if you have superstars like Clarkson or Green......if they ever contacted Panopio, it is to invite him to enter PBA.
            Always believe chot reyes team has one panggulat win in any tournament, wag muna ngayun sa qf an lang baka nga sa qualification to qf eh underdog tayu
            To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..
            1 Big 4 small > 5 out offense.

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            • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
              For those who have seen a good No. of games of Northport in the PBA, do you think Malonzo's defense is decent enough for the asian basketball level? In a SMB-Northport game just recently, I saw several times Malonzo guarding CJ Perez. Knowing how lethal Perez' offense is (I think perez is the best 2-guard in the PBA right now), I feel Northport coach Pido Jarencio has high regard & confidence on Malonzo's defense.
              Of course, everything that we had hoped for Kobe Paras to become it'll be Malonzo who'll provide lol
              a 6'6 3 guy with decent handles & shooting. He's not T-mac or Derozan obviously but he should be a fixture of Gilas for the next 6 to 10years along with Ramos,Heading,Parks,Kai,Ange,Tamayo & Balti. These 8 should be our core group
              Last edited by carmelo7; 07-12-2022, 06:20 AM.

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              • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                For those who have seen a good No. of games of Northport in the PBA, do you think Malonzo's defense is decent enough for the asian basketball level? In a SMB-Northport game just recently, I saw several times Malonzo guarding CJ Perez. Knowing how lethal Perez' offense is (I think perez is the best 2-guard in the PBA right now), I feel Northport coach Pido Jarencio has high regard & confidence on Malonzo's defense.
                I see this as Coach Pido having already learned how to properly utilize tall and capable wing players, probably took notes on Coach Tab's techniques too as seen with Balti and Tamayo's effectiveness to play the 3 spot even if only on stretches. With the looming SMC takeover of the NT program, it's reasonable to assume that this was ordered by his higher ups to prepare Malonzo either for 2023 and beyond NT duties, or to fast track his ascent as a well-rounded, finished product obviously to be of significant benefit to any of the 3 SMC-backed PBA teams. Either way, this is a step in the right direction for Malonzo.

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                • Gilas right now with all the politcs, isn't worth it to watch urghh. I'm more interested in FIBA Americas and Eurobasket than the Asia Cup. tbh

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                  • Is Ryan Alba a poster here?

                    Here's a geeky article for all the Sabermetrics nerds out there:

                    In today’s basketball, versatility is the name of the game. The most valuable players are the ones who can do multiple things at a high level. There’s a reason why the traditional pass-first point guard that doesn’t score, the post-up big, and spot-up shooters who can’t shoot off movement or defend are dwindling in numbers. […]


                    He broke down Ray Parks' advanced stats and uses numbers to show his versatility and efficiency. Quinito he is not. Fortunately.

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                    • Originally posted by Dotch View Post
                      Is Ryan Alba a poster here?

                      Here's a geeky article for all the Sabermetrics nerds out there:

                      In today’s basketball, versatility is the name of the game. The most valuable players are the ones who can do multiple things at a high level. There’s a reason why the traditional pass-first point guard that doesn’t score, the post-up big, and spot-up shooters who can’t shoot off movement or defend are dwindling in numbers. […]


                      He broke down Ray Parks' advanced stats and uses numbers to show his versatility and efficiency. Quinito he is not. Fortunately.
                      yup as analyzed said..
                      To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..
                      1 Big 4 small > 5 out offense.

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                      • Originally posted by reamily View Post
                        yup as analyzed said..

                        What is his handle?

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                        • Just for indonesia play game like this (and not anymore resorting to tanking) they might have a chance on making a case for fiba that they are already a top asian team although the top 8 finish is the best metric to measure success (unfortunately not the gold medal against a perennial top 5 ) asian national team in Philippines..

                          Imagine the prev Saudi game.. Kosasih looked like Junamr out there.. thats how far Indonesia have become..
                          To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..
                          1 Big 4 small > 5 out offense.

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                          • If we don't perform well this FIBA Asia Cup, we might be in for another change of direction, and the SBP will try to justify it. I'm scared for the future of the national team.

                            At this point, I dunno if there is a clear direction.

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                            • ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

                              I can't help but feel "panghihinayang" becoz everything seems to be falling in the right place last year, especially when we beat Korea twice & had that respectable loss vs. Serbia.

                              Then, all of the sudden this trying times so far this year. Its as if SBP threw everything in the window. Sayang talaga!
                              "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                              • Originally posted by IPC View Post
                                If we don't perform well this FIBA Asia Cup, we might be in for another change of direction, and the SBP will try to justify it. I'm scared for the future of the national team.

                                At this point, I dunno if there is a clear direction.
                                Meron Kai, Clarkson, Naturalize player Big 3.. rest are role players
                                To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..
                                1 Big 4 small > 5 out offense.

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