Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[Sikatrix]

Correct me if I am wrong, this is Gilas performance vs world level teams after 2014 WC.

2016 OQT vs France and NZ , around 9 pt avg loss

2018 qualifiers vs Australia (twice) 10 plus pts 1st gsme , 2nd gsme 35 pts blowout in 3rd quarter

2019 FiBA WC 30 pts avg loss, around 5 games

2021 QQT vs Serbia , single digit loss

2022 twice vs Nz , 23 pts loss and 46 pts loss

Now tell me thus isn't bad , and do you see a trend based on who is coaching, ?

To be fair you are missing a 27 point loss to the dominican republic.

[DAdmiral]

To be fair you are missing a 27 point loss to the dominican republic.

Noted.. I really feel the 2016 OQT Gilas actually overachieved, we just didn't realize it then cause of 2014 success

[IPC]

Correct me if I am wrong, this is Gilas performance vs world level teams after 2014 WC.

2016 OQT vs France and NZ , around 9 pt avg loss

2018 qualifiers vs Australia (twice) 16 pts loss 1st gsme , 2nd gsme 35 pts blowout in 3rd quarter

2019 FiBA WC 30 pts avg loss, around 5 games

2021 QQT vs Serbia , single digit loss

2022 twice vs Nz , 23 pts loss and 46 pts loss

Now tell me thus isn't bad , and do you see a trend based on who is coaching, ?

To be fair you are missing a 27 point loss to the dominican republic.

The not-so-bad losses were mostly from Tab's teams, and the horrendous losses were mostly from Chot and Yeng.

Tab had talent, defense, and system working for him, though.

[IPC]

Noted.. I really feel the 2016 OQT Gilas actually overachieved, we just didn't realize it then cause of 2014 success

And the fact that that was our best lineup at the time (well save for Ryan Reyes, who was also useful at the time). Just a case of quality opponents.

Yes, talent-wise, I think 2016 was better than 2013-14.

[IPC]

Yes bro. But PBA is not that willing to do what needs to be done to make the national team as competitive as it should be. For one, PBA is not willing to modify its calendar so as to synchronize it with the FIBA calendar. Kahit yun nalang man sana malaking bagay na yun for the national team. The thing is, I think PBA is the only premier basketball pro league of a country in the world which runs during the months of June, July, Aug & Sept. All the other premier leagues in the planet are on their off season at this period which only means that their national players are available by this period.

Then, PBA doesn't want a foreign coach to handle our national team. Its a given that among our current local coaches, none of them can really coach Gilas with enough competence at this point. Its obvious naman that these foreign coaches could do a significantly better job than Pinoy coaches.

As to the point of foreign coaches, again, they should mentor our promising coaches, so that our local Pinoy coaches can at least approximate the success of the foreigners. With enough mentorship and experience under a foreigner, they can be the competent locals we need.

[ARMIR]

Yes bro. But PBA is not that willing to do what needs to be done to make the national team as competitive as it should be. For one, PBA is not willing to modify its calendar so as to synchronize it with the FIBA calendar. Kahit yun nalang man sana malaking bagay na yun for the national team. The thing is, I think PBA is the only premier basketball pro league of a country in the world which runs during the months of June, July, Aug & Sept. All the other premier leagues in the planet are on their off season at this period which only means that their national players are available by this period.

Then, PBA doesn't want a foreign coach to handle our national team. Its a given that among our current local coaches, none of them can really coach Gilas with enough competence at this point. Its obvious naman that these foreign coaches could do a significantly better job than Pinoy coaches.

In fairness the Philippines have 2 seasons,summer and rainy,while other countries have a full 4 season.You would think that the Philippines will be a multi sport country since it has really have 2 season,yet countries like America and other Euro countries that have extreme 4 season weather adjusted to seasonal sports.Its one of the reason why basketball only ranks 3rd overall in America,since they're into outdoor sports.The local coaches thru sponsorship should start sending them overseas thru internship in some of these US NCAA Div1 schools,so many young Euro coaches avail themselves in these programs.One season as an assistant coach in a Div1 school is worth years of experience in the local scene.

[reamily]

I hate when people overrate the f out of that 2016 debacle.. we should won the game or make it a close one against nz at home

[ja.he]

I hate when people overrate the f out of that 2016 debacle.. we should won the game or make it a close one against nz at home

do you really believe that New Zealand is that weak to lose against Gilas? majority of that team also played in 2014 - when they reached round of 16. those players are armed with international experience, not only from the Tall Blacks but also from their domestic leagues they are playing.

[reamily]

do you really believe that New Zealand is that weak to lose against Gilas? majority of that team also played in 2014 - when they reached round of 16. those players are armed with international, not only from the Tall Blacks but also from their domestic league they are playing.

they had to s we have the coaches advantage and all the world cup games are mirage if we arent winning games that matter (Puerto Rico in 2014, China in 2015 and NZ in 2016)

In IBN we dont resort to moral victories..

[ja.he]

they had to s we have the coaches advantage and all the world cup games are mirage if we arent winning games that matter (Puerto Rico in 2014, China in 2015 and NZ in 2016)

In IBN we dont resort to moral victories..

Well, Tab shares this belief as well - a loss is a loss.

[Rds]

do you really believe that New Zealand is that weak to lose against Gilas? majority of that team also played in 2014 - when they reached round of 16. those players are armed with international experience, not only from the Tall Blacks but also from their domestic leagues they are playing.

Yes. I don't understand why a 9 point loss to NZs A team is a debacle? Really a debacle? The 36 point loss to Australia in 3 quarters was a debacle. With the way the quarter differential was increasing that could have been a 40 or 50 pt loss. That's a debacle. A 9 pt loss to NZ a day after a 9 pt loss to France that's a loss within the strength of the team. Yes, we could have done better. But definitely no reason to change Tab. He has proven after that, with 2 wins against Korea and a close loss to Serbia that given time in his system he can produce results.

[sroth3839]

they had to s we have the coaches advantage and all the world cup games are mirage if we arent winning games that matter (Puerto Rico in 2014, China in 2015 and NZ in 2016)

In IBN we dont resort to moral victories..

Yeah, it’s Chot who loves to do this, while Tab and Nenad just shuts up and move on to the next game.

Still feel bad about that DR game last year. Felt very winnable and we shouldn’t have lost by 20 or more.

[IPC]

I wonder why most PBA players who play in the national team usually struggle big time playing defense? With the exception of noted defense specialist like Gabe Norwood, Mark Pingris, or Dondon Hontiveros, I just notice that PBA players usually couldn't play honest to goodness defense in the FIBA game. They usually end up fouling too much.

Is it a case of these PBA national team players being stars or superstars not being accustomed to playing defense becoz they are more used to scoring than playing defense? Is it a matter of culture among PBA teams that if you are a superstar of a particular team, you are not obliged or compelled to play defense that much so as to avoid getting into foul trouble & to conserve energy for your offense?

Parang ganoon yung nakikita ko eh.

There's basically zero emphasis on defense on the PBA. Players who develop defense often do so "on their own"

To make it short.

Pba have significantly different rules and pace and schemes compared to Fiba.

Even the 12 mins per quarter instead of 10 mins per quarter rule I think may have an effect on it.

And yes. Usually Superstars (especially the Not Two way Superstars) will conserve energy in defense for offense. I think it is also common in Nba.

Additionally, I think the Pba Perimeter Players mindset is to collapse when a great penetrator (For ex Castro) drives inside to the basket. They rather give up an open 3 than a driving layup for Castro.

And I cant blame them too much for that, if the pba shooters cant make them pay.

In the National Team though, When you have Rim Protectors like Kai, Ange, or Even AJ in the Future. They must learn to trust the Rim Protection to the bigs.

As Fiba Top teams leans toward to kick out to sharp shooters

Because PBA players can't shoot....

Why tire yourself when the guy is going to miss anyway....

Yeah, for some reason, when in Gilas, the PBA players either miss rotations or do half-assed closeouts, or don't close out at all. At least after 2016. The 2017 SoKor and Lebanon blowouts, the 2019 WC, and the Indonesia game this year, all featured bad to downright dogshit defense. Even the Asian Games against SoKor in 2018. Some of it was due to personnel mismanagement, some due to lack of effort. That gave me the impression that team defense is not that good in the PBA, due to defensive performances like that.

The defense up to 2016 2016 was good partly because Tab and Black were in the coaching staff. Also partly because Gabe and Ping were in the lineup to organize the defense, and there was the hustle of Abueva. They were that impactful that it compensated for their teammates' defensive deficiencies. Staff, system and impactful players on that end.

[Dotch]

do you really believe that New Zealand is that weak to lose against Gilas? majority of that team also played in 2014 - when they reached round of 16. those players are armed with international experience, not only from the Tall Blacks but also from their domestic leagues they are playing.

di ba nga, there were posters here that accused Dave ( fairly or unfairly) of feeding scouting reports and highly classified insider trading info to the NZ coaching staff. LOL.

[reamily]

di ba nga, there were posters here that accused Dave ( fairly or unfairly) of feeding scouting reports and highly classified insider trading info to the NZ coaching staff. LOL.

Asaran lang yun