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  • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
    That actually fills a Gilas void and need
    One observation comment I heard from the recent NZ blowout was , it's not actually the hight difference (which is similar) , but it's Nz had real athletes and Gilas didn't. It 's more pronounced and evident on the defensive end , rebounding and speed to lose balls
    Imagine how much better Gilas would be if it had three 6'5 " Abueva's at its disposal.
    Developing 6'5"-6'7" to be all-around athletes is a challenge, though, since a lot of players that height are usually developed as bigs, whether 4 or 5.

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    • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
      That actually fills a Gilas void and need
      One observation comment I heard from the recent NZ blowout was , it's not actually the hight difference (which is similar) , but it's Nz had real athletes and Gilas didn't. It 's more pronounced and evident on the defensive end , rebounding and speed to lose balls
      Imagine how much better Gilas would be if it had three 6'5 " Abueva's at its disposal.
      Do you have time to indulge us Analyze and watch Malonzo's game in YT
      (i know its corny & kind of misleading to just watching highlights) so you could gauge the quality that Malonzo brings to Gilas
      And speaking of athletes this was a similar
      issue against Dominicana, so its reasonable to expect guys like Mickey Williams as NP, Parks, Malonzo and if SMC obliges si Perez and sana si Kai to raise that level
      Last edited by carmelo7; 07-03-2022, 08:29 AM. Reason: details

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      • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
        That actually fills a Gilas void and need
        One observation comment I heard from the recent NZ blowout was , it's not actually the hight difference (which is similar) , but it's Nz had real athletes and Gilas didn't. It 's more pronounced and evident on the defensive end , rebounding and speed to lose balls
        Imagine how much better Gilas would be if it had three 6'5 " Abueva's at its disposal.
        It's true, about the "real athletes" part. Plus most of NZL players in that game, even their deep-end-of-the-bench guys, have more motor than the whole Gilas team combined. It was quite frustrating to watch for a Gilas fan.

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        • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
          That actually fills a Gilas void and need
          One observation comment I heard from the recent NZ blowout was , it's not actually the hight difference (which is similar) , but it's Nz had real athletes and Gilas didn't. It 's more pronounced and evident on the defensive end , rebounding and speed to lose balls
          Imagine how much better Gilas would be if it had three 6'5 " Abueva's at its disposal.
          Studying Gilas Best Players in each position. And what level are they right now. (Players Level lang, set aside coaching and system for a while)

          C: Kai Sotto (NBL Australia Role Player)

          PF: AJ Edu (US NCAA DIV 1 Player) or Ange Kouame

          Combo F: Justine Baltazar and Carl Tamayo

          Swings: Parks, Perez, Thirdy, Malonzo(?)

          Guards: Kiefer, Bolick

          Something like this.

          Bigs are ok. I know you are very high ofc for NZ Bigs. But I am confident Kai can compete with them especially against Team B Bigs of NZ. Same with AJ or Ange.

          I think the Combo F can compete to. tamayo was the lone brightspot in that blowout game. I am confident Balti would have too.

          It is the guards especially PG who I think was and is outmatched.

          Webster kinda destroyed our Guards including kiefer.

          As for Swings Dwight had a very bad game vs NZ. dont want to judge it by that 1 game. I am not sure if parks or Perez would have done better.

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          • Originally posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
            Studying Gilas Best Players in each position. And what level are they right now. (Players Level lang, set aside coaching and system for a while)

            C: Kai Sotto (NBL Australia Role Player)

            PF: AJ Edu (US NCAA DIV 1 Player) or Ange Kouame

            Combo F: Justine Baltazar and Carl Tamayo

            Swings: Parks, Perez, Thirdy, Malonzo(?)

            Guards: Kiefer, Bolick

            Something like this.

            Bigs are ok. I know you are very high ofc for NZ Bigs. But I am confident Kai can compete with them especially against Team B Bigs of NZ. Same with AJ or Ange.

            I think the Combo F can compete to. tamayo was the lone brightspot in that blowout game. I am confident Balti would have too.

            It is the guards especially PG who I think was and is outmatched.

            Webster kinda destroyed our Guards including kiefer.

            As for Swings Dwight had a very bad game vs NZ. dont want to judge it by that 1 game. I am not sure if parks or Perez would have done better.
            Unpopular take but I see the Ravena bros as overrated, and Dwight shouldnt be the top player of our Team, as good as he is he's more suited as a (really good though) complimentary player (to a Clarkson or Mickey Williams) same with Parks Jr..

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            • Originally posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
              Studying Gilas Best Players in each position. And what level are they right now. (Players Level lang, set aside coaching and system for a while)

              C: Kai Sotto (NBL Australia Role Player)

              PF: AJ Edu (US NCAA DIV 1 Player) or Ange Kouame

              Combo F: Justine Baltazar and Carl Tamayo

              Swings: Parks, Perez, Thirdy, Malonzo(?)

              Guards: Kiefer, Bolick

              Something like this.

              Bigs are ok. I know you are very high ofc for NZ Bigs. But I am confident Kai can compete with them especially against Team B Bigs of NZ. Same with AJ or Ange.

              I think the Combo F can compete to. tamayo was the lone brightspot in that blowout game. I am confident Balti would have too.

              It is the guards especially PG who I think was and is outmatched.

              Webster kinda destroyed our Guards including kiefer.

              As for Swings Dwight had a very bad game vs NZ. dont want to judge it by that 1 game. I am not sure if parks or Perez would have done better.

              Everything but Thirdy,I will pick Dwight instead,he's a good complimentary player and insert combo.

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              • Originally posted by ARMIR View Post
                Everything but Thirdy,I will pick Dwight instead,he's a good complimentary player and insert combo.
                Oh yeah. Dwight over Thirdy for me too

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                • Originally posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
                  Oh yeah. Dwight over Thirdy for me too
                  Why pick.one when we can have both... Thirdy will be the Wiggins or Smart of the Team....Primary wing defender...

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                  • Originally posted by sajubeads View Post
                    Why pick.one when we can have both... Thirdy will be the Wiggins or Smart of the Team....Primary wing defender...

                    Well if the other guards are Bolick,Parks and Heading,where will you insert him then?Barring any injuries,I just picked Thirdy as a sub to any of them,he will make the final 16 but not the final 12.

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                    • Originally posted by earldeboy View Post
                      Even against Danny Seigle? Nah. That's a reach.
                      U probably have not seen how a prime Danny Seigle played. Seigle was a natural small forward who can play spot up minutes at the 2-guard position. He had pretty decent handles & shooting to do that. Seigle's weakness was his defense. During his prime, Danny Seigle I believe is RP team's best offensive player, better than Asi Taulava, Erick Menk & the overrated Danny Ildefonso (I mean overrated in international basketball), who was a dud in the 2002 Asian Games. If not for the foot injury he sustained during a tune-up game, Danny Seigle could have made a significant difference in the RP team's not so impressive campaign in the 2002 Asian Games. I say Danny Seigle's handles was pretty decent for a small forward. Such handles could come close to the handles of natural shooting guards like a Pogoy, Matt Wright, Chris Newsome.

                      I can see some stiffness in the way Malonzo dribbles the ball in traffic.

                      Don't get me wrong bro, I like Jamie Malonzo. In fact prior to the news that he is FIBA eligible, I posted it here in this thread that if only he is FIBA eligible, he could be a valuable asset for Gilas.
                      Here is my post: https://www.interbasket.net/forums/s...79#post1493679 (That's post No. 4448)

                      * Take note, that post is dated June 20, 2022, while the news that Malonzo is FIBA eligible came sometime June 28, 2022.
                      "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                      • Yes Malonzo to me is a valuable Gilas asset , it really allows us to play Malonzo together with either Tamayo and Baltazar without losing speed and size at the forward spot, and relieves Dwight from any forward duties to focus on playing both guard spots.

                        these are the guys i'm kind of confident can contribute at the WC
                        center - Kai, Kouame
                        forwards- malonzo , Tamayo, Batazar

                        Guards . Dwight , Kiefer , Parks
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                        • Originally posted by analyzed View Post
                          Yes Malonzo to me is a valuable Gilas asset , it really allows us to play Malonzo together with either Tamayo and Baltazar without losing speed and size at the forward spot, and relieves Dwight from any forward duties to focus on playing both guard spots.

                          these are the guys i'm kind of confident can contribute at the WC
                          center - Kai, Kouame
                          forwards- malonzo , Tamayo, Batazar

                          Guards . Dwight , Kiefer , Parks
                          Tama naman to, Kiefer needs to be himself be a microwave on offense in off the bench role and a pick and roll participant, his 2017-2018 role pre suspension is his peak potentail already..
                          To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..
                          1 Big 4 small > 5 out offense.

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                          • If we had a player with the height, heft and offensive calibre of a Danny Seigle then our 2 and 3 spot would utterly be solved. Never seen a player as explosive as the Dynamite since he retired. He was the greatest offensive arsenal at his time even with the onslaught of the other Fil-ams including Asi Taulava, Erik Menk and Rudy Hatfield. Yes there are players who can score like him but not with his height and heft, a 6'7 who can dribble and score in a variety of ways.

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                            • Originally posted by prince75 View Post
                              If we had a player with the height, heft and offensive calibre of a Danny Seigle then our 2 and 3 spot would utterly be solved. Never seen a player as explosive as the Dynamite since he retired. He was the greatest offensive arsenal at his time even with the onslaught of the other Fil-ams including Asi Taulava, Erik Menk and Rudy Hatfield. Yes there are players who can score like him but not with his height and heft, a 6'7 who can dribble and score in a variety of ways.
                              I actually saw in Danny Seigle being in the same mold as a Fadi El Khatib or a Samad Nikkah Bahrami. Too bad, Seigle was never the same after that foot injury he sustained in 2002. He became injury prone since then that hampered his game.
                              "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                              • NZ basically started with 3 Danny Siegle's vs Gilas last Thursday

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                                Ngatai - 6'6 foward
                                Delaney 6' 7 forward
                                Vodonavich 6' 7 forward

                                whatever that meant, it certainly had an effect on Gilas , especially when they started trapping on defense out in the perimeter ...

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