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  • Originally posted by robert0326
    The problem is Navarro will be in Northport after 2023.. What do you suggest for him to get out w/ Northport.. because this team is a SMC farm team.. For sure they will put him already in one of SMC teams after that.. He should not go to SMC...
    Navarro doesn't have a PBA contract yet, right? So technically, he's free. And it's not like the PBA will feel his loss, since he hasn't become a star up to this point.

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    • Clearly one can see the special draft purpose is to reserve a player's right for Gilas representation.
      if this is the purpose which it is, then one can really see that by allowing a player to play overseas in a friendly FIBA league ( with condition to be made available ) trully makes sense. It's smart finance management by SBP and MVP as they do not have to fund these players salaries while they are reserved for the national team, which was one of the weaknesses of the Gilas 1 model, MVP was funding 12 players full time salaries for like 3 years.

      So here is the model for those who leave Philippine college , and are highly sought . 1st priority is place them in an overseas league

      Thirdy and 1GDL - B league
      Tuffin- NZNBL
      Kai- ANBL

      now if no foreign league picks them up , then enter the PBA special draft and 2nd option

      1. Matt Nieto , Go , Heading, Navarro

      As you can see if you can move a PBA player to an overseas league like Thirdy to B- league, that's better.

      So there is the model. and yes it can be sustainable , contrary to what Yeng and others think, they simply did not consider you can actually play in an overseas league and not the PBA. big big mistake.. ( line from Pretty Woman .. LOL)

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      • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
        So there is the model. and yes it can be sustainable , contrary to what Yeng and others think, they simply did not consider you can actually play in an overseas league and not the PBA. big big mistake.. ( line from Pretty Woman .. LOL)
        Well, that wasn't an option before. As someone mentioned elsewhere, demand for Filipino basketball talent wasn't really there prior to Thirdy landing in Japan, then it exploded once Thirdy showed he could ball over there. As our individual players get better and better, hopefully there will be more than enough talent.

        While Gilas 1's weakness was that MVP paid 12 players full time for like 3 years, the weakness of this model is that all these overseas leagues might clash with the FIBA schedule and that actually happened in the 2019 WC qualifiers. There was much criticism when Slovenia failed to qualify for the 2019 WC despite being the European champions just because their best players like Luka Doncic could not play in the qualifiers because it clashes with the NBA schedule.

        FIBA has already been trying to emulate FIFA for a while now, but while FIFA can get every single football league in the world to fall in line with their schedule, FIBA could not even impose their will on the Euroleague, much less the NBA.
        Originally posted by gideon
        Not sure why all on here got salty when the Serbian coach said Gilas lacked any real quality. I mean isn't that glaringly obvious.

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        • Originally posted by Anonymous123 View Post
          So who's next after JGDL, Kobe? And where?

          NBL? CBA? Japan B league? Euro League?
          Originally posted by mapuakid View Post
          Balti
          Originally posted by IshmaelM View Post
          I think he needs to go international. He will just be played as a PF in the PBA.
          Not a PF, a traditional center just by virtue of being the tallest in the team (as a natural consequence of holding All-Filipino tournaments).

          I do hope he goes international as well after he's done with La Salle. Hopefully Delta will agree to Baltazar going abroad. It will provide a better experience for him, as he may be tasked to guard the perimeter more often as a 4.

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          • Originally posted by Labradoodle View Post
            This is why the SBP has to be above all leagues in the Philippines, not subservient to these

            I guess we can kiss our long-term basketball development goodbye

            https://tv5.espn.com/basketball/gila...SBzjpN1T1J9xWQ
            How the hell did the SBP become subservient to the different basketball interests in the first place?

            That aside, this will be a problem, as a lot of the players in this pool will inevitably join the PBA, putting their availability into question.

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            • Originally posted by IPC View Post
              How the hell did the SBP become subservient to the different basketball interests in the first place?

              That aside, this will be a problem, as a lot of the players in this pool will inevitably join the PBA, putting their availability into question.
              SBP is toothless just like sir JPM posted here ages ago.
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              • Originally posted by robert0326
                If we can apply 1GDL status in B-League then he might have a chance to get a contract atleast Div.2 or Div.3 in B-League.. or MVP ask 1 of his teams to trade for Navarro... We need him long term.. It's hard to find a replacement for him after 2023.. Navarro might decrease his skills once he enter Northport.. Pido will use him a stretch 4 for sure.... Kawawang talent!!!
                I think Navarro should enter into a one-year contract with NorthPort. After that one-year contract, he's free to go if he gets an overseas offer. Like I said, I don't think the PBA would mind if he leaves, unless he becomes a star for NorthPort.

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                • Originally posted by IPC View Post
                  I think Navarro should enter into a one-year contract with NorthPort. After that one-year contract, he's free to go if he gets an overseas offer. Like I said, I don't think the PBA would mind if he leaves, unless he becomes a star for NorthPort.
                  I think pba will mind. Because if they allowed navarro, parang pinayagan na rin nila the other prospects to go the same navarro route.

                  If Pba allows Navarro to do that (sign 1 year and leave overseas), and doesn't allow Baltazar(let's say for example) to do the same because
                  balti is a star for his pba team. Is that allowed?

                  Well it is pba anyway, they will make it allowd.lol. They will be criticized heavily though.

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                  • Originally posted by robert0326
                    Japeth Aguilar route will be only his last solution to force his way out of Northport and stay with Gilas program.. Japeth succeed that way before...
                    He'll get the Parks treatment..

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                    • Originally posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
                      I think pba will mind. Because if they allowed navarro, parang pinayagan na rin nila the other prospects to go the same navarro route.

                      If Pba allows Navarro to do that (sign 1 year and leave overseas), and doesn't allow Baltazar(let's say for example) to do the same because
                      balti is a star for his pba team. Is that allowed?

                      Well it is pba anyway, they will make it allowd.lol. They will be criticized heavily though.
                      Yeah, it's a precedent, but only a bit

                      As for your scenario about Baltazar, that really shouldn't be allowed. The PBA board shouldn't really have a say in player-team relations except for discipline (fines, suspensions, bans) and enforcing EXISTING contracts.

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                      • Originally posted by robert0326
                        Atleast he can join again Gilas.. Maybe he can't play games in PBA but he will be available to play again for Gilas.. But let's see!!!
                        But that would cause friction between GILAS and the PBA which we do not want. Heck it might lead to a suspension from FIBA. But if he really wants to then he has to do it differently from what Parks did and through good communication qnd diplomacy

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                        • Originally posted by k3ttch View Post
                          I’m really curious to see how our current Gilas team would fare against PBA teams. I want to see if system, discipline, and sound fundamentals will make up for individual talent.
                          Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
                          Local players only? Size is part of talent , when u have two 7 footers , two 6'8 Forwards, a 6 5 guard , that is talent . I would argue Gilas is more talented than any local PBA team, probably not as skilled or experience, but raw talent , they are actually more talented
                          Bold claim. While I believe this Gilas team has the potential to surpass Gilas 2.0, to say that the raw talent exceeds that of any PBA team (including ineligibles) right now, that's bold. I hope it's true, though. It will make me (and the rest of us) really high on this team's chances in the international level.

                          I hope this team stays together, acquires more talents, or maybe even both.

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                          • Originally posted by sroth3839 View Post
                            HAHAHA!

                            PBA becoming a retirement league. Calling it.
                            I hope our best prospects play in the PBA only after they hit a certain age, say 32-35. Basically when they pass their prime. They'd pass down invaluable knowledge from what they'd learned from overseas leagues. That may improve the quality of play, and also the tactics and player development, both of which frankly could use improvement. Plus, if they can still carry over an improved level of play, wow. That may improve the quality here.

                            Plus, no need to concern ourselves about their availability for Gilas. Past their prime na nga, e.

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                            • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                              Problem with Phi basketball is that the stakeholders are not on the same page. Far from that. Kung si Tab Baldwin & his Gilas program are on page 90, yung PBA nasa page 47 pa lang while the NCAA is on page 39.

                              Yung problema pa eh, PBA & NCAA aren't willing to catch-up.

                              I think the only institutions that are some sort of being on the same page with coach Tab & the Gilas program are Ateneo, UP & perhaps FEU.
                              Exactly, the stakeholders aren't the most cooperative in the development of Philippine basketball. Especially after Tab's 'tactically immature' comment. Pero even before, they'd been looking after their own self-interest, e. Even MVP, to an extent. Problem is, 'yun na nga, with a few exceptions, they cannot or worse refuse to make the necessary adjustments, even as the world of basketball is changing. Winning ang goal, hindi development.

                              Plus, as for the schools, they have nothing to fear from Tab. Tab has all the talent he needs in Ateneo (Ramos brothers, Ong, Ildefonso, Belangel, Padrigao, Lazaro), so piracy should not be an issue. In fact, I'd be more worried about pirating by UP and La Salle.

                              As for UP, well, maganda ang size, and it somewhat helps that Perasol uses a 4-out system, so his 4s need to be able to play the perimeter, no matter what size. That kind of environment will help in producing taller forwards (if the UP development team, if there is one at all, focuses on that). I hope Lina and Miguel Tan will benefit from playing the 4 in UP's 4-out system. And at least they're willing to release their players during the UAAP offseason.

                              Personally, I'd also think Beda are cooperative. At least Gilas got Oftana and Cariño to join.

                              Hopefully other schools (and PBA teams) can see what Tab is building and can more readily lend their players. It will help greatly in their players' development, and it would do the school and team proud to see themselves represented in Gilas. For example, UP's taking pride in being represented through Javi, Tungcab, and Tamayo. Sana makita nila ang value doon.

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                              • I think the PBA and UAAP/NCAA should be generous to the national team. Why? If the NT team becomes very successful in the world stage, they will bring those experiences back to their teams; hence improving the quality of not only their teams but PH basketball in the long run

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