Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[Rds]

You could see how convoluted Pinoy basketball is when you have a Jong Uichico supposedly there to absorb foreign coaches knowledge. I loved the guy in San Miguel but younger coaches should be the ones absorbing knowledge from Tab and Nenad. Its good Gold is there now. But Tab has been here since 2013 I think. If SBP was serious a bright and motivated coach would have absorbed Tabs system by now. Sandy is his main assistant. But why doesnt he get more responsibility?

[ja.he]

"I don't see it. It was Coach Chot who brought us to the best achievement as I know. But do correct me if I am wrong. They took over TNT in the PBA with Dickel. But they never won a championship as I remember."

- this 2013 and 2014 nostalgia has to stop. 2022 is far different from what was the situation in 2013 and 2014.

- why do we always use PBA as a measuring stick for success? how good is PBA as a basketball league competition-wise? those people think so high about the PBA as if the PBA is the yardstick of basketball.

[CoJ]

Serious question, what is it in the Japanese culture that has no issues with foreign coaches, (note they also have no problem with US military based being stationed in Japan) , and note you cannot say Japanese are not patriotic or nationalistic..

So what is it with our mentality that it's such a bad thing to have foreigners as coaches ?

Well our local NSAs/stakeholders for Volleyball, Boxing, Gymnastics and Football has no issues with foreign coaches as well. though said sports (sans boxing) does not have a huge fan following in the country

[Dotch]

Well our local NSAs/stakeholders for Volleyball, Boxing, Gymnastics and Football has no issues with foreign coaches as well. tough said sports (sans boxing) does not have a huge fan following in the country

Weightlifting too. Team HD is composed of foreign coaches / trainers

[CoJ]

Weightlifting too. Team HD is composed of foreign coaches / trainers

i forgot, even athletics! EJ Obiena is under the tutelage of a Ukrainian coach. Basketball stakeholders are blinded by false sense of nationalism and misplaced ego (thinks too highly of themselves)

[IPC]

You could see how convoluted Pinoy basketball is when you have a Jong Uichico supposedly there to absorb foreign coaches knowledge. I loved the guy in San Miguel but younger coaches should be the ones absorbing knowledge from Tab and Nenad. Its good Gold is there now. But Tab has been here since 2013 I think. If SBP was serious a bright and motivated coach would have absorbed Tabs system by now. Sandy is his main assistant. But why doesnt he get more responsibility?

Now, it's the younger coaches that should be the ones absorbing the knowledge, I agree. We should be training them to handle the national team, and prepare them on how to develop players and tactics. Prepare for life after Tab and Nenad.

Of course, get new foreign coaches from time to time, but we need to think long term with the locals.

[Artek]

^ SBP/BCAP's long term project should be "transfer knowledge"

[ARMIR]

Weightlifting too. Team HD is composed of foreign coaches / trainers

The best track and field players were coached by foreign coaches,just looked up the Filipino athletics records and the majority of record holders were foreign trained.

[DAdmiral]

I guess there isn't this realization that basketball coaching in the Philippines isn't at world standard yet, and we look too highly of of our level.

The reality of any discipline industry is only world standard experience is verification of competence. Essentially meaning if you don't have coaching experience in the top FIBA game which is (world cup , Olympics and euro league then you simply do not have verified world level competence)

It's not unique to basketball coaching, if you don't have work experience say in Hollywood as a director or any experience in rocket science for a scientist then simply you don't have the qualifications, your skill is basically unverified and unrecognized

[ARMIR]

If SMC,SBP,Gilas wants to have a Filipino face as a HC,then its time for some young coaches to avail themselves of programs in the US and Europe to be an assistant coach in some big universities or pro leagues.Jimmy,and now CTC in Summer League,how about some of the younger up and coming coaches.Also tap the US based Pinoy coaches like Brian Rosario right now for the U16 girls,or Mark Magpayo of Riverside.

[IPC]

I guess there isn't this realization that basketball coaching in the Philippines isn't at world standard yet, and we look too highly of of our level.

The reality of any discipline industry is only world standard experience is verification of competence. Essentially meaning if you don't have coaching experience in the top FIBA game which is (world cup , Olympics and euro league then you simply do not have verified world level competence)

It's not unique to basketball coaching, if you don't have work experience say in Hollywood as a director or any experience in rocket science for a scientist then simply you don't have the qualifications, your skill is basically unverified and unrecognized

If SMC,SBP,Gilas wants to have a Filipino face as a HC,then its time for some young coaches to avail themselves of programs in the US and Europe to be an assistant coach in some big universities or pro leagues.Jimmy,and now CTC in Summer League,how about some of the younger up and coming coaches.Also tap the US based Pinoy coaches like Brian Rosario right now for the U16 girls,or Mark Magpayo of Riverside.

I think SBP should just ask Cone and Jimmy to use their connections with Miami and Sacramento respectively to get our promising coaches (Goldwin, Victolero, Charles Tiu, Jeff Napa) some Summer League hires. Get a look at the NBA, which is a guard and versatile wing-driven league.

Otherwise, SBP need to have the coaches I mentioned serve as assistants to Nenad in FIBA games.

[Rodbi]

"I don't see it. It was Coach Chot who brought us to the best achievement as I know. But do correct me if I am wrong. They took over TNT in the PBA with Dickel. But they never won a championship as I remember."

- this 2013 and 2014 nostalgia has to stop. 2022 is far different from what was the situation in 2013 and 2014.

- why do we always use PBA as a measuring stick for success? how good is PBA as a basketball league competition-wise? those people think so high about the PBA as if the PBA is the yardstick of basketball.

2015-16 (more on 2015) Tab-helmed Gilas is much more impressive than the 2013-14 iteration, imo. Seriously undermanned without the SMC stars but still overachieved.

2016 OQT's results are not that bad either if we're gonna compare it with 2014 WC results.

[reamily]

2015 was solid but it was blatche in asian competition for the first time and an "very able" supporting cast..(I called this Alaska redemption since they were absent in the 2013 gilas iteration which really irked RSA"

We don't need to sugarcoat 2016 stint, bumawi an si tab with that good run in 2021 so we don't need to revise history

[Rodbi]

2015 was solid but it was blatche in asian competition for the first time and an "very able" supporting cast..(I called this Alaska redemption since they were absent in the 2013 gilas iteration which really irked RSA"

We don't need to sugarcoat 2016 stint, bumawi an si tab with that good run in 2021 so we don't need to revise history

Nobody's revising history, c'mon. If anything, I'm just saying that 2016 results are not that bad and are very similar with 2014's, well, in the context of moral victories, ofc ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Rds]

Nobody's revising history, c'mon. If anything, I'm just saying that 2016 results are not that bad and are very similar with 2014's, well, in the context of moral victories, ofc ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I agree 2016 was not that bad. We were underestimating NZ and overestimating ourselves that is why it was a disappointment then. Many fans who vilified Tab then I think cast those loss in a better context now. We had a close game with France. Then the next day without rest we lost a close game to NZ. My favorite part about that was he demanded and got JF to lose weight to be a bit faster on defense. As promised he featured JF in the 2nd game. The results were not ideal but it should have been a start not the end. Imagine if JF kept that weight and was under Tab. Instead we got Chot. We defeated the likes of Taiwan. Then we embarassed ourselves against Oz. Then we got Yeng. Embarassed ourselves against Kazakhstan then in the world.

Tab and then Nenad made us proud again. And we are still in the hands of rhe great motivator, Chot. Because our basketbalk stakeholders would rather a Pinoy lead us to embarassment than a foreigner to glory.

For what Mr. Vargas? Because some players went to Japan? Should we stop playing friendlies and Fiba games so the PBA can hog our players? Wake up and smell the roses. Even without Dickel our good players are still going to go abroad. Because they are good and people want to see them play.