Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[barok espinoza]

I'm a Ginebra fan, but what I'm worried about with Cone is his team's defense. ja.he and robert said that Cone leaves the 3-point line open, like against Indonesia. Thus, he will need defensive coordinators like Nenad and maybe Goldwin, which push their players to defend the 3 as well as the paint. Hope he learns more about defense from his Summer League stint.

And the thing about Cone is, although he plays with 3-guard lineups, he's more willing to play with guys like Aljon Mariano, Arvin, and Kevin Ferrer at 3. If he's gonna play tall wings at the Asian level, I think he'd find use for Navarro and Lopez, which is good news.

Any coach who wants to handle the NT should undergo a test run. Nenad passed the test and we already know that Chot is practically useless in international games so there's no need to test him further.

If CTC wants in, then at least give him a break from the PBA and let him handle one international tournament this year so we can see what he can do internationally. It's only fair.

[CoJ]

Not just the PBA. The UAAP too. In the UAAP, only two teams shot above 30% from 3, and that's Ateneo amd FEU.

what happened to this generation????

[DAdmiral]

People really have misconceptions about offensive systems DDO etc and Nevad's flow offense , both actually are read and react , the difference is the latter's play action is actually off the ball weakside , which means movement and point of attack is not actually dribble focus... in fact the craftiness of good drive dribbles (Kiefer ) are being used to create opportunities for their teammates, you also see our bigs Tamayo, Geo)handling the ball for handoffs and playmaking duties . Think Golden state, it's actually attacking down hill before the defense sets (that's where Dwight gets his pts), but the play action is actually not on the strong side. ( Abando pts)
So in essence actually while Chot is actually correct in using a bara Bara type of offense that is unpredictable, the orientation of the players are actually different, additionally the experience Nenad has coaching at the world's has figured out through trial which aspects tactically to emphasize, it's actually the early attack and ephasisizing off ball.. there is very little ball heaviness and individual creation, but more of team creation (if that makes sense ?), but it's also Bara Bara read and react.

And that's what fans saw in Korea as compared to iso Wright in Hanoi, you're not imagining things if they looked different. BTW the SEAG team actually had longer preperation than the Gilas team you saw.in Korea

[barok espinoza]

what happened to this generation????

a lot of them can shoot but they're not in the PBA hahaha

[CoJ]

a lot of them can shoot but they're not in the PBA hahaha

suddenly craving for a three pt shoot out this season, I wonder what would be the average scores of our PBA snipers, they might set an all time low hahaha

[barok espinoza]

suddenly craving for a three pt shoot out this season, I wonder what would be the average scores of our PBA snipers, they might set an all time low hahaha

PJ Simon in 2019 -- 12/25 or 48%
James Yap in 2018 -- 15/25 or 60%
Allein Maliksi in 2017 -- 15/25 or 60%

Next winner should be the only representative of the PBA in the 24-man gilas roster hahahaha

[judasmartel]

The art of 3 PT shot in the PBA are now the thing of the past..no more Caidic, Hontiveros, Dynamite Danny, Jolas and for my uncle gen the likes of Bogs, Jawo, Loyzaga Bros..how sad indeed.

Thanks to oldheads who think 1990s basketball is the best and modern basketball is a glorified 3 point shootout where there are no drives to the paint Michael Jordan style, no defense, and players keep jacking up 3s even when they're not falling. So the league, in efforts to keep happy whatever fans they have remaining (mostly NSD Ginebra fans), try to keep the league as 1990s as possible.

[judasmartel]

If Nenad is not the coach for FIBA Asia cup, I probably won't follow Gilas diligently anymore. It's just going to lead to same old disappointments ..

I will probably follow the women's team and the Malditas. Even if Gilas Women gets demolished by the Big Four of Asian women's basketball year after year, at least there is hope. If the girls develop right they could soon keep up with them, one tournament at a time.

[judasmartel]

I'm warming up to the idea of Cone as head coach. Cone already adjusted and deviated from the triangle (based on Hoops Highlights video hehe) to a more modern offense (NBA-esque?), and now allows 3pointers in his system. Though i still think it will be a winless campaign, as long as it is not Chot, PBA bragging that Ginebra is the best it can offer to the World (WC2023) but still fail haha, i'm okay with this narrative lol. Let's see how much money SMC will burn.

Let's see if CTC has improved since 1998. The worst thing that could happen is we would finish dead last in the WC again, this time at home. Although I want to see SMC perform the most heinous burning of money since the Venezuelan inflation.

[Rds]

Not just the PBA. The UAAP too. In the UAAP, only two teams shot above 30% from 3, and that's Ateneo amd FEU.

And those two teams have the best paint threats in the league in their FSAs. I think that's the best explanation for that. Like JMF in his prime giving his perimeter teammates better looks because of his gravity. On the flip side, if you don't have a paint threat your thinking is better a low percentage 3 than a low percentage 2 with the opposing FSA lurking in the paint. Another proof is when Malick made a lob from Cagu in the final finals game in OT (or the 4th) he established that he needed to be defended by Kouame in his two man game with Cagu, Cagu now had some space when doing PNR. Kouame will not switch nor hedge. Mamu will have some delay going over the switch. The little bit of opening caused by Malick being a threat in the paint allowed Cagu the chance to be the hero.

Even the best, Steph, had to establish that the other players on the floor were also threats or he wouldn't have the space to shoot.

[empyreanmaze]

And those two teams have the best paint threats in the league in their FSAs. I think that's the best explanation for that. Like JMF in his prime giving his perimeter teammates better looks because of his gravity. On the flip side, if you don't have a paint threat your thinking is better a low percentage 3 than a low percentage 2 with the opposing FSA lurking in the paint. Another proof is when Malick made a lob from Cagu in the final finals game in OT (or the 4th) he established that he needed to be defended by Kouame in his two man game with Cagu, Cagu now had some space when doing PNR. Kouame will not switch nor hedge. Mamu will have some delay going over the switch. The little bit of opening caused by Malick being a threat in the paint allowed Cagu the chance to be the hero.

Even the best, Steph, had to establish that the other players on the floor were also threats or he wouldn't have the space to shoot.

Players like Pogoy and Rosario were bricking wide open corner 3s during SEA games with Fajardo on the inside attracting most of the defense lmaoo. Even the horrible outings of Yeng's Gilas shot fucking terribly against Kazakhstan and Qatar and that team had mfing Blatche and Japeth, it almost looked fake that they actually shot 9.4% 3pt fg against Qatar holy mother of dogshit. Not much better with the more recent Chotty team who shot 20% from 3 against New Zealand's second stringers and 30% against a weak Indian team and that's with Kouame inside, PBA players may just be absolutely terrible shooters, stormtroopers of Asia.

[xenoloxy]

Players like Pogoy and Rosario were bricking wide open corner 3s during SEA games with Fajardo on the inside attracting most of the defense lmaoo. Even the horrible outings of Yeng's Gilas shot fucking terribly against Kazakhstan and Qatar and that team had mfing Blatche and Japeth, it almost looked fake that they actually shot 9.4% 3pt fg against Qatar holy mother of dogshit. Not much better with the more recent Chotty team who shot 20% from 3 against New Zealand's second stringers and 30% against a weak Indian team and that's with Kouame inside, PBA players may just be absolutely terrible shooters, stormtroopers of Asia.

shooting in any level in filipino basketball is atrocious

[NOiNU]

Mason Amos part of Gilas Men for the qualifiers? Saw a tweet congratulating him for the call up.

[DAdmiral]

^
Not yet finalized, awaiting FIBA approval. He will fly straight from Australia to game in Nz . So yun , I guess it's out the mystery replacement

[C2Hamm]

^
Not yet finalized, awaiting FIBA approval. He will fly straight from Australia to game in Nz . So yun , I guess it's out the mystery replacement

that's 1. who is the other?