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  • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
    the domestic pro league should grow up , and not take players playing overseas as a bad thing, but actually good thing , as if they develop well, they eventually will increase the level of play when they return home to play
    The PBA and these major corporation don't give a sh!t about player development or Philippine basketball as a whole. They just want to take advantage of these up and coming players and use them to market their product. Ya'll know who I'm talking about.
    #FIRECHOTREYES!!

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    • Originally posted by deku_midoriya View Post
      Many pinoy players abroad is good for gilas but is in no way good for the PBA. Besides, it seems that the mentality of our best young players is go abroad because of better offers not because they want to hone their craft to be ready for the PBA. Lol

      The really good ones will be having a long international career in a foreign league, returning only when they are past their primes.
      Who cares about the PBA? Who cares what's good for them? They don't give a flying f#ck about the National team so why would we care for them?

      >because they want to hone their craft to be ready for the PBA
      Lmao you're talking like the PBA is some kind of premier league in the world. Nahh, it's a low level competition, yes they maybe have dozen of quality players playing there, but the way basketball is being played is decade old behind. Whenever I watch PBA I feel like I'm still stuck in early 2000s that's how bad it is.
      #FIRECHOTREYES!!

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      • Originally posted by deku_midoriya View Post
        Many pinoy players abroad is good for gilas but is in no way good for the PBA. Besides, it seems that the mentality of our best young players is go abroad because of better offers not because they want to hone their craft to be ready for the PBA. Lol

        The really good ones will be having a long international career in a foreign league, returning only when they are past their primes.
        Correction ,what do you call Lassiter, Stan Hard, Alapag, Dillinger, Josh Munzon, etc, didn't they play abroad ?

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        • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
          This may sound weird coming from me, while it is indeed a good development more players play overseas, important also is maintaining a good pro domestic league. I've seen it in NZ. the only thing is the domestic league should be under the jurisdiction of the federation. (SBP) not the other way around
          The domestic league here has failed. If even the strict NBA allows 19 year olds to play and revamps its gleague. The PBA has no excuse.

          All the young Pinoy prospects if they have serious hoop dreams are going to have to follow the football/soccer route of going to another domestic league to gain skills or significant exposure to better talent.

          The PBA will always be the home of 26 year old rookies and 6'3 Centers

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          • From Carlo Pamintuan: https://twitter.com/carlo_pamintuan/...17236479533059

            Kouame, Sotto, Navarro, Baltazar, and Belangel starting for Gilas Pilipinas

            Looks like Tab wants to experiment with a big lineup against China.

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            • Originally posted by IPC View Post
              From Carlo Pamintuan: https://twitter.com/carlo_pamintuan/...17236479533059

              Kouame, Sotto, Navarro, Baltazar, and Belangel starting for Gilas Pilipinas

              Looks like Tab wants to experiment with a big lineup against China.
              Is it not televised?
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              • Originally posted by -«miron»- View Post
                Is it not televised?
                Unfortunately, no.

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                • Originally posted by spidey102279
                  One Sports
                  @OneSportsPHL
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                  Sotto now has 11 points all in the 2nd for Gilas. 34-27 PH. |
                  @carlo_pamintuan
                  d@mn, these gilas boys are the real deal.

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                  • Originally posted by spidey102279
                    Dwight is not playing. I dont know about Zhou Qi.
                    all the more impressive

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                    • Nice!
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                      • Seems Navarro playing SG

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                        • Originally posted by zairex View Post
                          I agree ita better to play abroad but where is Thirdy Ravena? Also not available.
                          Originally posted by IPC View Post
                          Let's contextualize this a bit.

                          1. I'd take that availability or lack thereof in the 2nd window as due to the pandemic. The fact that most leagues, the B.League included, provide for a break only two weeks or so to prepare for the windows, plus the 14-day restrictions we have, mean that naturally he's gonna be unavailable for the 2nd window.

                          2. For this window, he's injured.

                          3. He's unavailable for windows. The availability I was speaking of was that for the main tournament, and the availability for the whole prep time needed for that tournament, which the PBA doesn't provide (e.g. the barely 2 weeks of preparation given to Gilas before the 2021 WC), but most other leagues do.
                          Originally posted by zairex View Post
                          1. I would agree with you but Japan NT is here which includes players who played in B. League playoffs.

                          2. I didn't read anything about this. Coach Tab said that Thirdy has commitments in Japan until end of May. Remember his last game was in April.

                          3. I despise PBA for their commitment with our NT. But it might be the same with other leagues if players will asked to rest rather than play for our NT on main tournaments. B. League and PBA gives 2 weeks of prep time for qualifiers. PBA even has once a week practice for NT players every Monday or Tuesday during the season but even this is not enough for our NT prep.
                          Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                          Here's my take: Thirdy, most likely (I say around 95%) would be available for the August tournament (2021 FIBA Asia Cup) becoz the B-league (just like all the other premier pro leagues all over the world) is in its off season.

                          Now, I ask, would that be the same case as current PBA players Kiefer, Pogoy, Rosario, Perez, Matt Wright?

                          Yun yung point na palagi kong pino point out. That PBA season is very much alive during the months of July, August, September - period when FIBA tournaments & other international tourneys are held. On the other hand, all other the premier pro leagues in the world (including the NBA) are in the off season during this period.
                          Yeah, that was the point I was making in my post. Availability for the main tournament, and also the preparations leading up to that, which takes a lot of time (thus explaining my 60-day minimum).

                          Windows, OK lang ang few weeks. The main tournament, you should prepare for months.

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                          • Originally posted by Wannabe View Post
                            Even in its early stage we already see that the program is effective. Now for continuity so that there will be steady supply of similar sized kids with potential to be trained into their envisioned positions/roles, if financially viable and the handlers/advisers allow them i hope SBP can expand the pool to say 24 and form them as cadet training team(B) with some of them can readily be promoted to team A or can be called up in case of injuries.
                            Example, Tamayo and Balti as versatile forwards (3/4), the immediate candidates could be Cortez and Quiambao. I know these idea has been discussed here in IBN and even coach TAB has said also he wants to expand the pool.
                            So Lets Refresh the list of potential Bigs, Wings and Guards.
                            OK, so here's the list for the qualifiers:

                            Guards:
                            T. Ravena (B.League)
                            Matt Nieto (PBA)
                            Suerte (PBA)
                            Juan GDL (B.League)
                            Tungcab (PBA)
                            Abarrientos (UAAP)
                            Belangel (UAAP)
                            Heading (PBA)

                            Wings:
                            Bulanadi (PBA)
                            Mike Nieto (PBA)
                            Javi GDL (UAAP)
                            Navarro (PBA)
                            Lopez (UAAP)

                            Forwards:
                            Tamayo (UAAP)
                            Baltazar (UAAP)

                            Bigs:
                            Kai (Australia NBL)
                            Kouame (UAAP)
                            Chiu (UAAP)
                            Go (PBA)

                            We will feel Navarro's loss the most if he goes PBA. I hope we have capable replacements if ever.

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                            • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
                              "It’s actually the first time that I’ve ever been on a team where we’re probably stronger on the defensive than the offensive end and obviously, it’s working out."

                              It's really defense that deferientiates this team

                              I think it's the best Gilas defenseive team ever actually
                              I've noticed that too (as I've said a lot of times). Tab's impact on Gilas is mainly on the defensive side on the floor. Better rotations on shooters, and good effort. I hope that holds, especially this OQT, and especially in the long-term.

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                              • Originally posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
                                With the way things are developing. Gilas National Team especially after 2023 would probably composed of:

                                1. Most Filams/Fil Foreigners/ Duap Citizens or whatever technical term you want to call it.

                                2. Most Played in International Leagues.

                                1:

                                Homegrown would probably only Kai, Tamayo, Balti,maybe Thirdy and Lopez. ( Prospects such as Basti Reyes depends on their development)

                                Dual Citizens will dominate the pool such as: Dwight, Heading, Tuffin, Amoses Edus, Harris, Harper, Tobias, deliaños, and other future newly discovered Fil Foreigners. Even if u add pba, Matthew Wright and Ray Parks will be considered.

                                2:

                                For the second point. Most of them, If NOT ALL, would have been played overseas.

                                Nbl Australia, NBL, New Zealand, US NCAA, Japan B League are the leagues we are exporting our players. Only euroleague or any euopean league are not yet explored by our players.

                                CONCLUSION:

                                1. FIL FOREIGN/DUAL CITIZEN PLAYERS ARE GENERALLY BETTER BASKETBALL PLAYERS THAN THEIR LOCAL HOMEGROWN COUNTERPARTS.

                                2. OUR BEST LOCALS/HOMEGROWN CAN COMPETE FOR THE SPOT IF THEY PLAY OVERSEAS.

                                OFC, THERE WILL BE EXEMPTIONS. BUT GENERALLY, THIS WILL BE TRUE. MAYBE IN 2027.
                                Originally posted by lurklurk View Post
                                Imma stop you right there. Racism na yan (reverse). Learn to differentiate.
                                Originally posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
                                Fine. I apologize

                                You all get my point anyway.

                                My only point is that our local players are in a disadvatage because they are having less competition. And our genes is not as athletic. That's it.
                                Let me take it a step further. The homegrown Filipinos are not being given the right environments to grow into the perimeter. Our tallest position is forward. Our guys need a bigger teammate to be able to flourish in the perimeter, as what's happening with Baltazar and Tamayo.

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