Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[Artek]

The underperformers were mostly TNT players. Looking at Montalbo, Pogoy, and Troy. They're good so we won't forfeit, but if we wanna win (for example, the Asia Cup and WC), they should be out. The collegiate squad had upgrades in talent over those TNT guys.

As for the 2 weeks practice, everyone but Abando and Quiambao had already played together under Tab's system, so there's already chemistry.

The TNT boys have been together for long and most were even returnees from Window 1 under Dickel. You'd expect at least these men to do well together and carry the team but they didn't.

It might have been better if SBP sent the whole Ginebra or Meralco team to the SEA Games

[JAMSKIE]

The TNT did so well in the SEA games no? /sarcasm

They can excuse the 2 weeks practice but the delegate to the Korea friendlies also had two weeks practice - that was even a mostly collegiate squad.

If it was a Gilas team handled by Choke Reyes who played vs. Korea, Gilas would have been humiliated by an average margin of 20 pts./game.

And Choke would be so quick to throw excuse like: "We had trained for only 2 weeks lang kasi & we were playing a full force Korean National team in its home soil"

[IPC]

But we like it or not, They will be there in windows 4 and 5, where UAAP and NCAA will start again their season... We don't have a full line up that time, even Kouame will not be available... Also it might like SJ and RJ will not participate because they have to be there in their respective KBL teams because they have to participate regular commitments in KBL, they are new there so it will be understandable... Only Thirdy, Kiefer, Carino and Ramos will only available on windows 4 and 5 because they already been there before... The biggest question is who will be Ange replacement as NP from windows 4 and 5...

Yeah, they will be there in those windows to avoid a forfeiture, that's really the only good thing I can see out of this. So TNT boys, Javi, Arana, Shaun, Mamu, then a replacement NP.

[IPC]

The TNT boys have been together for long and most were even returnees from Window 1 under Dickel. You'd expect at least these men to do well together and carry the team but they didn't.

It might have been better if SBP sent the whole Ginebra or Meralco team to the SEA Games

I should have said that there was a talent and coaching difference as well. The collegiate boys not only have more upside, but are better fits for the international game, and have more current talent.

[IPC]

There might be issues with availability, like some here said, so best to have at least 20-25 backup players currently in the country, whether in the PBA or from collegiate leagues. The players should either have FIBA potential in terms of upside and/or talent, and should ideally have the size for their FIBA positions. Then, maybe have Nenad or Tab train the players for their FIBA positions, and then install a good offensive and defensive system, so that they already know what to do regardless of the personnel. Need an offseason's worth of training, though.

Personally, though, I think most should come from college and high school. Right now, there are only a handful of PBA players in their prime who are good for FIBA basketball. Have Javi, Mamu, Shaun, and Arana train with the team, ideally under Tab or Nenad, and then call up the likes of Lazaro, Ong, Jordi GDL, Torculas, Eusebio, Raven Cortez, and even some other HS prospects.

[IPC]

There might be issues with availability, like some here said, so best to have at least 20-25 backup players currently in the country, whether in the PBA or from collegiate leagues. The players should either have FIBA potential in terms of upside and/or talent, and should ideally have the size for their FIBA positions. Then, maybe have Nenad or Tab train the players for their FIBA positions, and then install a good offensive and defensive system, so that they already know what to do regardless of the personnel. Need an offseason's worth of training, though.

Personally, though, I think most should come from college and high school. Right now, there are only a handful of PBA players in their prime who are good for FIBA basketball. Have Javi, Mamu, Shaun, and Arana train with the team, ideally under Tab or Nenad, and then call up the likes of Lazaro, Ong, Jordi GDL, Torculas, Eusebio, Raven Cortez, and even some other HS prospects.

By the way, are there any NCAA players or prospects who could potentially be good fits for FIBA, position-wise and talent wise?

[Bonifacio]

If it was a Gilas team handled by Choke Reyes who played vs. Korea, Gilas would have been humiliated by an average margin of 20 pts./game.

And Choke would be so quick to throw excuse like: "We had trained for only 2 weeks lang kasi & we were playing a full force Korean National team in its home soil"

I think his excuse would be that there are no PBA players ..which proves his point that we need PBA players for international competition.

[empyreanmaze]

I think his excuse would be that there are no PBA players ..which proves his point that we need PBA players for international competition.

no Blatche, no Kai but most importantly no pba players. As if anyone that lost to Indonesia would’ve made a tremendous difference

[thatweirdguy]

no Blatche, no Kai but most importantly no pba players. As if anyone that lost to Indonesia would’ve made a tremendous difference

Everyone with half a brain could see the real problem. Its not the players.

[IPC]

We can literally make a National Team Composed of Overseas Players

Kai - NBL(Possibly Nba)

AJ - US NCAA DIV 1

Dalph Panopio - US NCAA DIV 1

Dwight - B League

Parks - B league (Though, we know, he is likely to not play)

Thirdy - B league

Kiefer - B league

Baltazar - B league

Heading - Taiwan League

Kevin Quiambao - KBL

RJ Abbarientos - KBL

Will Navarro - KBL

SJ Belangel - KBL

Next would probably Tamayo and Lopez

I think Abando will decline overseas for now.

Lmao

Right now, Only Tamayo is Non Overseas Player who I think should be a Core for 2023 Gilas

Heck Tamayo could easily play abroad if he wants to. If you are the coach why would you pick the older, shorter possibly harder to coach and lesser skilled PBA players over this guys?

This is a shit-ton of players for a national team, just from the overseas players alone. And these guys are easily better suited for the FIBA game than most PBA players currently in their prime, due to height, length, talent, and hustle on defense. This can be a good A-team.

[Rds]

On KQuiam. He seems to be a good passer and a decent defender. He is just 6'5-6'6. He looks slightly shorter than Will. But he seems to have a long wingspan that makes up for it. But yeah he needs to develop a perimeter shot. I don't know why KBL peeps are interested in him given his limited skillset now. The stache maybe ?

[JAMSKIE]

On KQuiam. He seems to be a good passer and a decent defender. He is just 6'5-6'6. He looks slightly shorter than Will. But he seems to have a long wingspan that makes up for it. But yeah he needs to develop a perimeter shot. I don't know why KBL peeps are interested in him given his limited skillset now. The stache maybe ?

Yup. His shooting form is even unorthodox. Yung one-hand short & mid-range jump shots.

[live_evil]

This is a shit-ton of players for a national team, just from the overseas players alone. And these guys are easily better suited for the FIBA game than most PBA players currently in their prime, due to height, length, talent, and hustle on defense. This can be a good A-team.

Nope, we need twelve Pogoys. That is an A-team! All hail the god of basketball, Roger Pogoy! and his apostles Montalbo and Rosario. Hail! Hail!

[NOiNU]

Yup. His shooting form is even unorthodox. Yung one-hand short & mid-range jump shots.

It’s becoming a La Salle big man staple, that one hander. Santillan, Balti and Cortez all have that one handed push shot.

[JAMSKIE]

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When I first saw Baltazar play for La Salle, I was impressed by his medium range jumpers. I even described him as a big men with the best medium range shot in Phi college basketball. When he suited up for Gilas, Balty developed a respectable 3-pt shot to become a true stretch-four.