Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[barok espinoza]

they can still do the 2 conference thing given the AFC is prestigious, make the other conference unlimited in height and little bit longer.. PBA should have 2 week breaks for FIBA window games.. reserved the june-august/september months for FIBA games.. make the october-april for PBA season like most any leagues in the world..

or alternatively, we can just revive the original gilas program and let the PBA be PBA. that 4th conference though is too tempting to pass up.

[Silent Killer]

Ok lets say 6 months PBA, I have no issue with players will play for national teams. They will get their salary. How about non national team players. What will they do? Will their income also be less than 50% now. will they need to take another job for 4 months. What will you do with them.

They should save money during the season..

[zairex]

They should save money during the season..

What will you save if your net is 100K for six months? 50k monthly a year salary? And you will retire by 35 years old. How will most of them do that? Believe me if people can live with that money and will not worry about retirement pay. A lot of Pinoys will not go abroad.

Again not realistic. Try living here in the Philippines with that 50K salary and have a family.

[DAdmiral]

Basically yes less funding , smaller pay and less professional players. The level really does not justify so many players being paid that amount . If MPBL players are reliant on pro career than regular jobs , that's just insane for that level ..
It's really a disapportionate amount of corporate resources to put into professional teams and leagues.
A fraction of the cost is better spent on grassroots development.
It's over commercialism, one may argue it's driven by the market and capitalism. Well capitalism especially American type of capitalism if you didn't realize is a failed system with ills. (This is another topic all together). It's a subject that many do not realize is a problem, as many are not aware that there are better ways of doing things from one has always has been . Remember if the Philippines does thing the right way then why are the outcomes so poor . Basically there is a better way.

[Sikatrix]

Basically yes less funding , smaller pay and less professional players. The level really does not justify so many players being paid that amount
It's really a disapportionate amount of corporate resources to put into professional teams and leagues.
A fraction of the cost is better spent on grassroots development.
It's over commercialism, one may argue it's driven by the market and capitalism. Well capitalism especially American type of capitalism if you didn't realize is a failed system with ills. (This is another topic all together). It's a subject that many do not realize is a problem, as many are not aware that there are better ways of doing things from one has always has been . Remember if the Philippines does thing the right way then why are the outcomes so poor . Basically there is a better way.

The issue is ROI. Grassroots development has a lot of ROI for national team but little ROI for the egos of corporate bosses.

[DAdmiral]

The issue is ROI. Grassroots development has a lot of ROI for national team but little ROI for the egos of corporate bosses.

Then it's a distortion of priorities, programs for sports or arts are not established for the purpose of profit but are created for none monetary benefits. . If a NSA or SBP main priority is profit or commercial gain then the very reason and purpose they were established will not be addressed.

Let's be real , the PBA s busines is entertainment. Their mandate and purpose is totally different from the a FIBA national federation. The problem is when the same people who are driven by commercial interests are the same people who rule the federation. This is flawed.

[Silent Killer]

What will you save if your net is 100K for six months? 50k monthly a year salary? And you will retire by 35 years old. How will most of them do that? Believe me if people can live with that money and will not worry about retirement pay. A lot of Pinoys will not go abroad.

Again not realistic. Try living here in the Philippines with that 50K salary and have a family.

they can invest in small business ventures..

[zairex]

Basically yes less funding , smaller pay and less professional players. The level really does not justify so many players being paid that amount . If MPBL players are reliant on pro career than regular jobs , that's just insane for that level ..
It's really a disapportionate amount of corporate resources to put into professional teams and leagues.
A fraction of the cost is better spent on grassroots development.
It's over commercialism, one may argue it's driven by the market and capitalism. Well capitalism especially American type of capitalism if you didn't realize is a failed system with ills. (This is another topic all together). It's a subject that many do not realize is a problem, as many are not aware that there are better ways of doing things from one has always has been . Remember if the Philippines does thing the right way then why are the outcomes so poor . Basically there is a better way.

Well tell us something we don't know.

May I ask why don't you do what you preach here in Philippine? Create a team and managed players from grass roots to pros. To see what new things we can learn.

[DAdmiral]

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Actually from your line of posting , I'm not sure you know at all that there we have a problem, it's like an alcoholic that does not realize he has a problem and is sick .
As I said it's the eco system. It won't work under that environment. It's the powers that be that need to .make systemic changes

We actually tried an academy model, and the fruits of it were Gilas last year . But of course not sustainable in that eco system.
It was actually the pandemic that allowed it to even be possible

[zairex]

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As I said it's the eco system. It won't work under that environment. It's the powers that be that need to .make systemic changes

We actually tried an academy model, and the fruits of it were Gilas last year . But of course not sustainable in that eco system

Well we know that. That's why alot of Pinoy immigrate to other countries. And that is why PBA has a long season and cant just change it

[DAdmiral]

Political will is required. The alternative of just keeping it as is and continue for the sport to regress , while it will keep boses happy comfortable. And keep their fortune (1 reason the PBA chairman is bent on avoiding change ). Is like cancer, the overall well being and outcomes will just be contine to be bad for most.. while 1 % of society keeps smiling.
That's no democracy or way to live at all.

[empyreanmaze]

The thing about systematically changing basketball in the Philippines is that it extends way beyond basketball, it's in every facet of life. That's why it has the largest number of overseas workers in the region, really the only clutch we have left is embracing that OFW phenomena even when it comes to basketball players, getting absorbed into the sociopolitical climate of the Philippines(yes this includes sports) is an exhausting, fruitless and depressing endeavor. The only thing that Filipinos should be handling when it comes to basketball is in the organization aspects(selection of coaches, ample preparation time and the ability to call up our foreign based players), when it comes to individual player development, it's really best if pinoy players will just continue abroad and get groomed in better, more progressive environments.

[DAdmiral]

Absolutely our local development should be geared to sending our products abroad , to an environment where they can develop further .

[Sikatrix]

Absolutely our local development should be geared to sending our products abroad , to an environment where they can develop further .

Yes, and as soon as possible. Not after five years in college.

[DAdmiral]

Yes, and as soon as possible. Not after five years in college.

Yup, for the best around 16 yrs old like Kai or Kobe.
It's actually too big a disadvantage if others NBA prospects are competing at that level and ours are not.
It's got to be a quality program, not Middlebrooks or something (not all programs in the US are good)