Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[barok espinoza]

don't we have a national academy for sports in clark which grants full scholarship to qualified high school level athletes? the deped should just partner with the private sector so its program for the academy could include basketball. at the moment they're just focusing on individual sports.

[IPC]

Whether we like it or not, the endgame is they're still fielding a PBA-centric national team for the WC next year. To them, it's a matter of breathing life into a dying league.

We'll probably see the return of Bolick and Perez and possibly Romeo. Junemar will probably be asked to join again along with either Erram or Japeth. Then they'll throw in some outsiders like Edu, Dwight, Thirdy, and move heaven and earth to get Parks again for the sake of success. Remember, it's the PBA's life source that is at stake here.

Of course, the big guns will be the NBA-level talents like Kai and Clarkson, and if the latter is allowed to play as a local, another brownlee-type super import who's highly reliable at both ends of the floor.

It's most likely a goodbye to the Baltazars and the Tamayos and to genuine grassroots development.

Perez, Bolick, Kiefer, maybe June Mar, Japeth, and probably Erram and Scottie would be fine. Along with Oftana, that's all I'm taking from the PBA, for the pool. Yes, the PBA also has Lee, Terrence, and Marcio, but we already have Heading and Dwight for their roles. And not another tourney with Pogoy, Troy, and Wright, who have all massively underperformed.

If the PBA barges in and interferes, man. When will these guys realize that good PBA players don't necessarily make good FIBA players?

These PBA officials within the SBP are smart. Shame that they don't use that to develop our program and instead use it to help the PBA's image.

[Stevy]

Is Nenad Vucinic taking over Gilas job from Chot permanently? Nope

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba/nenad-vucinic-permanent-replacement-for-chot-reyes-at-gilas-a1374-20220603?ref=home_featured_big

THE Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas' (SBP) announcement on Thursday that Nenad Vucinic will be taking over from Chot Reyes to coach Gilas Pilipinas in the coming window of the Fiba World Cup qualifiers was met with more questions than answers.

Foremost of which was: 'Is the change permanent?'

Deluged by questions in our comments section, we sought out SBP officials, some of whom have made themselves scarce these days after Gilas' horrific loss to Indonesia in the gold-medal game of the Hanoi SEA Games.

But we fortunately got hold of one and, asked if Reyes is still in charge, both as Gilas coach and program director of the SBP, his answer was an emphatic, "YES!!!"

Digging deeper, we learned that Vucinic taking over for the Fiba World Cup qualifiers was already part of the plan drawn up by Reyes upon his return to the national team job following Tab Baldwin's controversial exit.

The set-up also works out well for Reyes since he has to return to coach TNT Tropang GIGA in the PBA Philippine Cup, which will coincide with the buildup for the Fiba World Cup qualifiers against New Zealand in Auckland on June 30 and India at Mall of Asia Arena on July 3.

The Fiba window would be the first head-coaching job for Vucinic with the Philippine national team since he was brought in by Baldwin as a consultant. Vucinic served as one of Baldwin's assistants at New Zealand before taking over the Tall Black's coaching position in 2007.

But regardless of the Gilas result, SBP insiders assured that Reyes will be back on the job, even as early as the Fiba Asia Cup in Indonesia come mid-July.

[IPC]

Is Nenad Vucinic taking over Gilas job from Chot permanently? Nope

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba/nenad-vucinic-permanent-replacement-for-chot-reyes-at-gilas-a1374-20220603?ref=home_featured_big

THE Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas' (SBP) announcement on Thursday that Nenad Vucinic will be taking over from Chot Reyes to coach Gilas Pilipinas in the coming window of the Fiba World Cup qualifiers was met with more questions than answers.

Foremost of which was: 'Is the change permanent?'

Deluged by questions in our comments section, we sought out SBP officials, some of whom have made themselves scarce these days after Gilas' horrific loss to Indonesia in the gold-medal game of the Hanoi SEA Games.

But we fortunately got hold of one and, asked if Reyes is still in charge, both as Gilas coach and program director of the SBP, his answer was an emphatic, "YES!!!"

Digging deeper, we learned that Vucinic taking over for the Fiba World Cup qualifiers was already part of the plan drawn up by Reyes upon his return to the national team job following Tab Baldwin's controversial exit.

The set-up also works out well for Reyes since he has to return to coach TNT Tropang GIGA in the PBA Philippine Cup, which will coincide with the buildup for the Fiba World Cup qualifiers against New Zealand in Auckland on June 30 and India at Mall of Asia Arena on July 3.

The Fiba window would be the first head-coaching job for Vucinic with the Philippine national team since he was brought in by Baldwin as a consultant. Vucinic served as one of Baldwin's assistants at New Zealand before taking over the Tall Black's coaching position in 2007.

But regardless of the Gilas result, SBP insiders assured that Reyes will be back on the job, even as early as the Fiba Asia Cup in Indonesia come mid-July.

So, August window onwards will be Chot at the helm. Crap.

Thing is, the only players available for the August and February windows would be TNT and the UAAP players.

Who am I kidding? The PBA accommodated Chot and TNT, so it's very likely we'll see the Gilas Baldog Brothers here.

[noyce]

So, August window onwards will be Chot at the helm. Crap.

Thing is, the only players available for the August and February windows would be TNT and the UAAP players.

Who am I kidding? The PBA accommodated Chot and TNT, so it's very likely we'll see the Gilas Baldog Brothers here.

i'm not sure if Nenad is a win-at-all-cost guy (maybe not, more of a "process" guy), but if we want Chot to be out, Nenad has to win over NZL in WCQ. i hope he is up to the challenge.

[mapuakid]

So, August window onwards will be Chot at the helm. Crap.

Thing is, the only players available for the August and February windows would be TNT and the UAAP players.

Who am I kidding? The PBA accommodated Chot and TNT, so it's very likely we'll see the Gilas Baldog Brothers here.

Tnt - Hybrid Team lol

[digitalsuperman]

So, August window onwards will be Chot at the helm. Crap.

Thing is, the only players available for the August and February windows would be TNT and the UAAP players.

Who am I kidding? The PBA accommodated Chot and TNT, so it's very likely we'll see the Gilas Baldog Brothers here.

yup until 2023.

[Dotch]

I want an academy setup that will actually produce NBA level talent. What we have right now has never done that. Ateneo and La Salle can and have produced talent for the national team but to truly compete we need more than the UAAP.

Right now, a SBP-connected Basketball Academy can be seen as a recruitment tool to funnel young prospects to Ateneo or San Beda. As long as MVP controls SBP, any basketaball academy associated with the federation, is a conflict of interest

[IPC]

Bad thing is UAAP players will be not available in September window and November window... So we will see TNT + B-League boys from windows 4 and 5....

Window is August 22-30, so the UAAP guys might be available. It's Window 5 that we should be worried about, since that's the window where they won't be available.

[zairex]

Window is August 22-30, so the UAAP guys might be available. It's Window 5 that we should be worried about, since that's the window where they won't be available.

If the opening of UAAP is in September, just like February window, players will b barred by their school

[barok espinoza]

If the opening of UAAP is in September, just like February window, players will b barred by their school

Perhaps in an alternate reality where the Philippines is under autocratic rule and academic freedom is a relic of its past, all 18 to 24 year old citizens, including college students, are conscripted into the armed forces. and because of his overarching powers, the sitting dictator could just flip his magic wand to force these collegiate players to represent the country in international tourneys haha. it's a tempting proposition for the closeted sociopaths. for everyone else, not so much.

[DAdmiral]

I'm sorry to be repetitive, our problems are systemic, it's the eco system that is to be blame, that drives the wrong outcomes

Here is a simple model as an example.
The NZ NBL (which is the national league of NZ like the PBA). Runs from April to around July (like 1st conference of PBA). The goal of the top players in the NZ national league is after the season end , they go overseas (the NZ NBL encourages this) to play in the Australian NBL or Europe or even Asia . (Sept to April).

A similar concept where the best PBA players play 1 conference, then move overseas like B league would do wonders for player development, why can't this be set up? Blame the eco system

Another the top high school players in NZ play in the NZ NBLand compete vs Pros, Steven Adams played for the Saints prior to Div 1 college.
Again would the schools and UAAP board even allow this setup?
It's like there is this rule that the Pinoy team and leagues own the players LOL. It's so bad that now they're controlling unlicensed agents LOL Kala mo parang OFW .. like the PBA acts the role of POEA lol

[zairex]

I'm sorry to be repetitive, our problems are systemic, it's the eco system that is to be blame, that drives the wrong outcomes

Here is a simple model as an example.
The NZ NBL (which is the national league of NZ like the PBA). Runs from April to around July (like 1st conference of PBA). The goal of the top players in the NZ national league is after the season end , they go overseas (the NZ NBL encourages this) to play in the Australian NBL or Europe or even Asia . (Sept to April).

A similar concept where the best PBA players play 1 conference, then move overseas like B league would do wonders for player development, why can't this be set up? Blame the eco system

Another the top high school players in NZ play in the NZ NBLand compete vs Pros, Steven Adams played for the Saints prior to Div 1 college.
Again would the schools and UAAP board even allow this setup?
It's like there is this rule that the Pinoy team and leagues own the players LOL. It's so bad that now they're controlling unlicensed agents LOL Kala mo parang OFW .. like the PBA acts the role of POEA lol

I don't know why some people think B. League is a good league for competition wise. Its just pass the ball around if that doesn't work give it to imports. Thirdy didn't improve his shooting, Kobe look worst than ever, De Llano bros unforgetable stints. Best player is Parka but really don't see too much improvement.

Then your proposal is good but not logical. Do you want like Kiefer situation. First he will play 10 months in a year. I thought players need off season training. If his team go to playoff he will finish B. League by May then PBA for Jun to Aug then October start of B. League. Is that logical and ideal.

Do you think a company spending 200M and above will let their Top players play in only one conference. I wish someone here have 200M try this strategy if it will make business sense.

You complain of imports having short time to be integrated in a system in PBA. So what is this then.

I don't mind if players play in other leagues but doing this seems not ideal and is illogical.

[ja.he]

I don't know why some people think B. League is a good league for competition wise. Its just pass the ball around if that doesn't work give it to imports. Thirdy didn't improve his shooting, Kobe look worst than ever, De Llano bros unforgetable stints. Best player is Parka but really don't see too much improvement.

Then your proposal is good but not logical. Do you want like Kiefer situation. First he will play 10 months in a year. I thought players need off season training. If his team go to playoff he will finish B. League by May then PBA for Jun to Aug then October start of B. League. Is that logical and ideal.

Do you think a company spending 200M and above will let their Top players play in only one conference. I wish someone here have 200M try this strategy if it will make business sense.

You complain of imports having short time to be integrated in a system in PBA. So what is this then.

I don't mind if players play in other leagues but doing this seems not ideal and is illogical.

Yeah, that's why the B.League boys are carrying us in the last two tournaments Gilas are in. Outside Junmar and Bolick, the rest of the PBA are not really that good, both in the qualifiers and the SEA Games.

[Sikatrix]

I'm sorry to be repetitive, our problems are systemic, it's the eco system that is to be blame, that drives the wrong outcomes

Here is a simple model as an example.
The NZ NBL (which is the national league of NZ like the PBA). Runs from April to around July (like 1st conference of PBA). The goal of the top players in the NZ national league is after the season end , they go overseas (the NZ NBL encourages this) to play in the Australian NBL or Europe or even Asia . (Sept to April).

A similar concept where the best PBA players play 1 conference, then move overseas like B league would do wonders for player development, why can't this be set up? Blame the eco system

Another the top high school players in NZ play in the NZ NBLand compete vs Pros, Steven Adams played for the Saints prior to Div 1 college.
Again would the schools and UAAP board even allow this setup?
It's like there is this rule that the Pinoy team and leagues own the players LOL. It's so bad that now they're controlling unlicensed agents LOL Kala mo parang OFW .. like the PBA acts the role of POEA lol

The PBA is just acting in its self interest. Same with the UAAP schools. Basically its how the entire basketball ecosystem works in this country. Is there any stakeholder in this country that doesn't do this?