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  • Originally posted by CoJ View Post
    my remaining braincells just died watching this video, freaking gaslighting wtf
    IIRC, mikee got some heated exchanges with hoopjunkie regarding pinoys taking their talent abroad.
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    • If Tab doesn't come back to Gilas, what Pangilinan should do with Tab is to have him teach the coaches in the high school teams of Beda and Ateneo, to give them tips about defensive principles, his defensive systems, and player development, so we can have at least some sort of a grassroots program already, and so that Tab's system will take hold. Maybe teach some younger coaches in the PBA teams of the MVP group like Coach Charles Tiu in MERALCO. Eventually, the most promising local coaches from those teams might be considered for Gilas spots, whether youth or seniors.

      That way, we can develop local coaches, plus players that are used to the system and can at least competently defend in a team setting.

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      • Originally posted by Rds View Post
        https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba/...e_featured_big

        is said to be extremely displeased with one particular SBP and PBA official who didn't just show him out the door but "blew the doors wide open."

        This supports the rumor that it was Al and RG. If you count RG as a PBA official. Or is there another one?
        this refers to one person only (who happens to be both an sbp and pba official)

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        • Originally posted by neo View Post
          this refers to one person only (who happens to be both an sbp and pba official)
          the one and only al panlilio
          Philippine Malditas to FIFA Womens World Cup 2023

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          • Originally posted by IPC View Post
            The move Pangilinan should make, in my opinion, is to have Tab lay the seeds in the youth level. Mentor the promising head and assistant coaches, at least in the MVP camp first. Teach them his ways, his system, and player development for FIBA.

            Need to make steps for a long-term program so that we don't waste Tab's time here.
            Originally posted by Sikatrix View Post
            This is also what I would prefer. Someone of Tab's caliber at the youth level.
            A true long-term program would be to develop from the lower levels. Coach and player development that would help in FIBA at the senior level. Also, we need to get them up to date on how basketball is played elsewhere, copy the good offensive systems, and devise defenses to counter them. Who knows, the coaching and player development philosophies might also spread.

            In addition, again, we need to identify, develop, and call up players for FIBA, whether on offense or on defense, and we need to account for size for his position. The June-August 2021 team should be a good template, especially with Dwight at 2, Navarro at 3, and Baltazar at 4 for defense.

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            • Originally posted by CoJ View Post
              accdg to Don Ramon Fernandez, SBP should send the country's finest cagers in international tourneys, I wonder if Fernandez also shares the PBA's belief that the best players are from the PBA
              Here's my take on the kind of Gilas roster or pool I want for the 2023 FIBA World Cup:

              I say the bulk of Gilas players should be from the B-league & college players. Then add with it 2 or 3, at the most, PBA players. The PBA players I see should be of help for Gilas are Kiefer, Bolick & maybe Junmar Fajardo, and that's it.

              No more RR Pogoy, Matt Wright & Troy Rosario please. We've seen enough of those guys playing FIBA & international basketball & they're not really good enough. Plus with their respective ages, they have already reached their ceiling. Wala nang e improve ang mga yan. It definitely makes much more sense having the younger wings & stretch-fours like Thirdy, Heading, Dave Ildefonso, Dwight Ramos, Carl Tamayo, Justine Baltazar in the Gilas 2023 World Cup roster than those not so young PBA wings & forwards who are not expected to improve anymore.

              The idea is not just to send the strongest possible Gilas team in next year's World Cup but to prepare these young Gilas players for future FIBA tournaments & qualifiers, in particular the 2027 FIBA World Cup.

              The more aging PBA players (PBA players in their late 20's & 30's) we put in the Gilas 2023 World Cup roster the more we defeat the purpose of preparing for the future.
              "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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              • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                Here's my take on the kind of Gilas roster or pool I want for the 2023 FIBA World Cup:

                I say the bulk of Gilas players should be from the B-league & college players. Then add with it 2 or 3, at the most, PBA players. The PBA players I see should be of help for Gilas are Kiefer, Bolick & maybe Junmar Fajardo, and that's it.

                No more RR Pogoy, Matt Wright & Troy Rosario please. We've seen enough of those guys playing FIBA & international basketball & they're not really good enough. Plus with their respective ages, they have already reached their ceiling. Wala nang e improve ang mga yan. It definitely makes much more sense having the younger wings & stretch-fours like Thirdy, Heading, Dave Ildefonso, Dwight Ramos, Carl Tamayo, Justine Baltazar in the Gilas 2023 World Cup roster than those not so young PBA wings & forwards who are not expected to improve anymore.

                The idea is not just to send the strongest possible Gilas team in next year's World Cup but to prepare these young Gilas players for future FIBA tournaments & qualifiers, in particular the 2027 FIBA World Cup.

                The more aging PBA players (PBA players in their late 20's & 30's) we put in the Gilas 2023 World Cup roster the more we defeat the purpose of preparing for the future.
                if terrence can commit to the system (assuming there's one in place), i'd really want him to be on board as our backup pg.

                then erram as the backup big and either bolick or perez.

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                • This guy thinks that if Ayo gets Beda, he might be a Gilas coach candidate: https://twitter.com/JoeySVillar/stat...CSi48Leig&s=19

                  While he has creative offensive sets, I do have questions about his defense. Is his defense just about the press, or can his teams rotate to shooters in the halfcourt?

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                  • Originally posted by IPC View Post
                    This guy thinks that if Ayo gets Beda, he might be a Gilas coach candidate: https://twitter.com/JoeySVillar/stat...CSi48Leig&s=19

                    While he has creative offensive sets, I do have questions about his defense. Is his defense just about the press, or can his teams rotate to shooters in the halfcourt?
                    If 2023 is a failure I hope MVP lets someone else run the show

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                    • Originally posted by Sikatrix View Post
                      If 2023 is a failure I hope MVP lets someone else run the show
                      I'm iffy on SMC heading SBP, though.

                      Although they have developed Fran Yu, Jio Jalalon, Arvin Tolentino, and Aris Dionisio, can they translate that development to FIBA? Because, the way I see it, they have developed players for PBA, and not necessarily for FIBA.

                      Plus, with Chua around, are these guys willing to take advice from a Tab-caliber foreign coach, especially with regards to tactics and development?

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                      • ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

                        I have no trust on SMC as well.

                        The SMC in the 80's, 90's & early 2000's is very different from the current SMC bunch of guys.

                        Despite of some blunders here & there, I still believe MVP group could do a better job than SMC.
                        "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                        • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                          ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

                          I have no trust on SMC as well.

                          The SMC in the 80's, 90's & early 2000's is very different from the current SMC bunch of guys.

                          Despite of some blunders here & there, I still believe MVP group could do a better job than SMC.
                          Yeah. SMC under Danding was more open. And heck, even when Eala was with them. Hired Ron Jacobs and Rajko Toroman. But well, shit happened.

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                          • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                            Here's my take on the kind of Gilas roster or pool I want for the 2023 FIBA World Cup:

                            I say the bulk of Gilas players should be from the B-league & college players. Then add with it 2 or 3, at the most, PBA players. The PBA players I see should be of help for Gilas are Kiefer, Bolick & maybe Junmar Fajardo, and that's it.
                            i think there are some more PBA players who are physically and mentally ready for 2023 compared to some of the college kids but, and here is my problem with any PBA players on any Gilas team: PBA will ask some sort of concession and schedule will always be a problem.

                            as long as Gilas depend\rely on PBA, no matter how little support Gilas asks, we will eventually hit an internal problem. no offense with the PBA players and i have always stated that a pro league is needed. but as it is, PBA and SBP is not in sync to grow PH basketball
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                            • Originally posted by IPC View Post
                              This guy thinks that if Ayo gets Beda, he might be a Gilas coach candidate: https://twitter.com/JoeySVillar/stat...CSi48Leig&s=19

                              While he has creative offensive sets, I do have questions about his defense. Is his defense just about the press, or can his teams rotate to shooters in the halfcourt?
                              Ayo getting the Beda job might be the first step on somehow unity between sbp and the 3x3 benefactor chooks to go..
                              To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..
                              1 Big 4 small > 5 out offense.

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                              • Originally posted by C2Hamm View Post
                                i think there are some more PBA players who are physically and mentally ready for 2023 compared to some of the college kids but, and here is my problem with any PBA players on any Gilas team: PBA will ask some sort of concession and schedule will always be a problem.

                                as long as Gilas depend\rely on PBA, no matter how little support Gilas asks, we will eventually hit an internal problem. no offense with the PBA players and i have always stated that a pro league is needed. but as it is, PBA and SBP is not in sync to grow PH basketball
                                Like who, aside from the 3 PBA players I already mentioned (Kiefer, Bolick & Junmar)? Maybe Parks, but as I've mentioned, his willingness (or lack of it) would be a huge question mark. Troy Rosario? Poy Erram? I would still prefer Baltazar & Tamayo over them. CJ Perez, Paul Lee? But then again, they're from SMC.

                                Matt Wright & RR Pogoy? I say with confidence that Thirdy, Dwight Ramos, Jordan Heading are the better wings right now.
                                "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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