Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[ARMIR]

Cholo Anonuevo (FEU) is also worth a good look. He is currently injured but i saw him play once. Really a workhorse on defense and can also score i guess at 6'5" he plays wings. CJ Cansino at 6'2" SG (UP) can string 3-point shots, anchors the zone defense and scores on motion sets and hussle points.

Cholo is a 6'5 trained PG in the US,he will be a good asset,specially if they need a big frontline,his offense and athleticism had improved so much,I hope he gets another crack for a US NCAA school.

[Dotch]

Cholo is a 6'5 trained PG in the US,he will be a good asset,specially if they need a big frontline,his offense and athleticism had improved so much,I hope he gets another crack for a US NCAA school.

Didnt really play quality minutes for Olsen over at FEU this season right? But if im the coach, I will play Cholo at 1, let him create mismatches and play RJ at 2 and let RJ shoot the lights out without worrying getting his teammates involved.

[Goose]

Coach Chot is good. His Gilas team almost defeated Croatia and Argentina while his another Gilas team defeated Team USA in the Jones Cup. My opinion is SBP chooses the players or 24-man pool and let Coach Chot improvise.
PG D. Ramos, SJ Belangel, RJ Abarrientos, K. Ravena, J. Lastimosa, C. Escamis
SG T. Ravena, D. Ildefonso, CJ Cansino, J. Spencer, H. Pagsanjan
SF K. Paras, C. Anonuevo, W. Navarro, F. Lopez, C. Koon, Jordi GD Liano, S. Concepcion
PF A. Kouame, M. Phillips, J. Baltazar, Z. Lucero
C K. Sotto, C. Tamayo, J. Fajardo

Here is somewhat a UAAP All-Stars except for Fajardo and some. K. Ravena can still ball and I also saw his games at B League. Maybe lessen expectations from him. Jerom Lastimosa (Adamson) is a scoring point guard while Clint Escamis (UE) is an assistman, really has fluid moves. Harvey Pagsanjan (UE) is a shooter while James Spencer (UP) is more on defense. Francis Lopez has athleticism, I would like to see if he can hit 3-point shots. Sherwin Concepcion (UST) set the scoring and 3-points made one time. Chris Koon (Ateneo) dribbles like a guard and hits corner 3-pointers. Junmar Fajardo dominates the SEA Games so he can play as backup center vs more stronger teams in Asia. Ange Kouame and Justine Baltazar can also play Center.

[ja.he]

so far, this 12 is what I can consider as Gilas A:

Kai (Adelaide)
Junmar (San Miguel Beer)
Japeth (Ginebra)
Baltazar (Hiroshima)
Tamayo (UP)
Oftana (NLEX)
Dwight (Hokkaido)
Parks (Nagoya)
Thirdy (San-en)
Heading (Taichung)
Bolick (Northport)
Kiefer (Shiga)

[mathematicianrcg]

so far, this 12 is what I can consider as Gilas A:

Kai (Adelaide)
Junmar (San Miguel Beer)
Japeth (Ginebra)
Baltazar (Hiroshima)
Tamayo (UP)
Oftana (NLEX)
Dwight (Hokkaido)
Parks (Nagoya)
Thirdy (San-en)
Heading (Taichung)
Bolick (Northport)
Kiefer (Shiga)

Almost same as mine

Bigs: Kai, (Healthy AJ), Junmar, Japeth, ANGE (NP Candidate)

Combo F: Baltazar, Tamayo, , Oftana

Swings: Thirdy, Parks, Dwight, Clarkson (NP Candidate)

Guards: Kiefer, Bolick, Heading, Perez

I made a 14 local pool + 2 NP Candidates in Ange and JC.

Harper, I dont think can be naturalized in 1 year.

This is for 2023. Team A I can think of for Gilas

[IPC]

But SBP and PBA should accept first the fact that many of our best players today are not playing in the PBA.

for instance, in this on-going SEA Games, outside Junmar, other best players here are Thirdy and Kiefer who are Japan B.League players.

Dwight, Rayray, and Balti, our most versatile players, are also B.League players. Jordan Heading, arguably our best shooter, is a Taiwan T1 League player. Kai, our best bigman, is an Australian NBL player. Carl Tamayo and Angelo Kouame, our next best bigmen, are still in college.

For one, it's the money. Another is, international settings might provide an avenue for our best players to shine, Furthermore overseas leagues (Japan, SoKor, Australia) are better places for development of skillsets for the international game, and could provide more competitive environments, whether it's the locals or the imports.

[Rds]

PBA has to accept that basketball is now global. Before it was the only game in town and players have no choice but to go there. But our richer neighbors, Japan, Taiwan and Korea, have open their doors to our players. It has competition now. Unfortunately, we cannot compete financially with the other teams. The good thing is we still have good players.

The 2nd issue is officiating and level of competition. It will be harder and harder to justify that PBA players are not used to Fiba calls. Physicality needs to be at Fiba levels. Hand checks are a no no.

Next is the level of competition. Say PBA cannot do away with 3 conferences. Say because we love more championships. The least we can do is to increase the height limit. We still have 6'5 centers. If we increase the height limit of the shorter import conf to 6'8 from 6'6 and the taller import conf to 7 from 6'10 then 6'5 centers will be rarer or will be forced to have the skillset and mobility to play with a bigger import.

[IPC]

PBA has to accept that basketball is now global. Before it was the only game in town and players have no choice but to go there. But our richer neighbors, Japan, Taiwan and Korea, have open their doors to our players. It has competition now. Unfortunately, we cannot compete financially with the other teams. The good thing is we still have good players.

The 2nd issue is officiating and level of competition. It will be harder and harder to justify that PBA players are not used to Fiba calls. Physicality needs to be at Fiba levels. Hand checks are a no no.

Next is the level of competition. Say PBA cannot do away with 3 conferences. Say because we love more championships. The least we can do is to increase the height limit. We still have 6'5 centers. If we increase the height limit of the shorter import conf to 6'8 from 6'6 and the taller import conf to 7 from 6'10 then 6'5 centers will be rarer or will be forced to have the skillset and mobility to play with a bigger import.

Yeah, level of competition talaga. Sige, the locals are worse, but that's mitigated by the presence of imports 24/7. Not only are they good, they're big. We need our players to get used to that competition 24/7.

I'd been calling to scrap the All-Filipino, or relegate it to offseason, but that's the way the PBA operates. Well, until changes are done with the PBA, it should be looked at as a retirement league by our best players, ala MLS in football.

[ja.he]

PBA has to accept that basketball is now global. Before it was the only game in town and players have no choice but to go there. But our richer neighbors, Japan, Taiwan and Korea, have open their doors to our players. It has competition now. Unfortunately, we cannot compete financially with the other teams. The good thing is we still have good players.

The 2nd issue is officiating and level of competition. It will be harder and harder to justify that PBA players are not used to Fiba calls. Physicality needs to be at Fiba levels. Hand checks are a no no.

Next is the level of competition. Say PBA cannot do away with 3 conferences. Say because we love more championships. The least we can do is to increase the height limit. We still have 6'5 centers. If we increase the height limit of the shorter import conf to 6'8 from 6'6 and the taller import conf to 7 from 6'10 then 6'5 centers will be rarer or will be forced to have the skillset and mobility to play with a bigger import.

Yeah, level of competition talaga. Sige, the locals are worse, but that's mitigated by the presence of imports 24/7. Not only are they good, they're big. We need our players to get used to that competition 24/7.

I'd been calling to scrap the All-Filipino, or relegate it to offseason, but that's the way the PBA operates. Well, until changes are done with the PBA, it should be looked at as a retirement league by our best players, ala MLS in football.

they can actually scrap the three-conference format if they really wanted to. the reason why it may not work is because they are not under home-and-away format. they are heavily relying on Metro Manila audience, the Ginebra crowd as well as the TV ratings.

[JAMSKIE]

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As I keep on saying, the 3-conference/10-month long PBA season just sucks big time. Also, the that PBA calendar isn't synchronized with the FIBA calendar further adds to the mess.

[IPC]

Coach Chot is good. His Gilas team almost defeated Croatia and Argentina while his another Gilas team defeated Team USA in the Jones Cup. My opinion is SBP chooses the players or 24-man pool and let Coach Chot improvise.
PG D. Ramos, SJ Belangel, RJ Abarrientos, K. Ravena, J. Lastimosa, C. Escamis
SG T. Ravena, D. Ildefonso, CJ Cansino, J. Spencer, H. Pagsanjan
SF K. Paras, C. Anonuevo, W. Navarro, F. Lopez, C. Koon, Jordi GD Liano, S. Concepcion
PF A. Kouame, M. Phillips, J. Baltazar, Z. Lucero
C K. Sotto, C. Tamayo, J. Fajardo

Here is somewhat a UAAP All-Stars except for Fajardo and some. K. Ravena can still ball and I also saw his games at B League. Maybe lessen expectations from him. Jerom Lastimosa (Adamson) is a scoring point guard while Clint Escamis (UE) is an assistman, really has fluid moves. Harvey Pagsanjan (UE) is a shooter while James Spencer (UP) is more on defense. Francis Lopez has athleticism, I would like to see if he can hit 3-point shots. Sherwin Concepcion (UST) set the scoring and 3-points made one time. Chris Koon (Ateneo) dribbles like a guard and hits corner 3-pointers. Junmar Fajardo dominates the SEA Games so he can play as backup center vs more stronger teams in Asia. Ange Kouame and Justine Baltazar can also play Center.

Chot needs a good defensive coordinator, though. That lineup has to be drilled on how to defend in FIBA. Thankfully, most of the players in your pool know how to position themselves on defense or at least put forth effort on that end, whether man-to-man or help defense.

Kiefer and June Mar are the only PBA players in your pool, so OK na rin. The college guys can put more effort, and can still learn how to play and defend in the international level, thanks to their relative youth. Kasi, based on the SEA Games, the defense and effort of most of the PBA players is not good to say the least.

Might consider Abando in lieu of Pagsanjan if made available.

[IPC]

If we win with defense, might as well make it an identity. Not just toughness and physicality, but also good rotations. I hope we can harness our kids' hustle so that we could build an excellent defensive team.

If SoKor's identity is shooting and ball movement, I think our identity should be a defensive team. Our best successes come when we are a good defensive team, exemplified by 2013-2015.

Very much agree. The China team in the 2015 FIBA Asia Championship was anchored on defense. That was the best defensive team I've seen so far in Asian basketball. Even during stretches that the Chinese were struggling in offense vs. Iran (semis) & Gilas (finals), parang confident sila that they won't lose the momentum becoz their defense can hold on.

That final was a defensive game, but moreso for China, apatr from the dodgy officiating. We struggled on offense, yes, but to our credit, we made them struggle as well.

That Gilas team was also good defensively, despite us not fielding our best players. I hope Tab brings that defensive identity back (which he is), and that he turns Gilas into a defensive powerhouse in Asia.

Yep, when Asian teams hear the word Gilas. I want them all to think about defense, toughness and unselfishness. I want us to have a reputation where teams would hate to play us in the future. Hopefully, we will be on our way to have that reputation and class.

If our goal is to be a respectable world team (top 16), we must have this identity. For now, the program is in the right direction. If they don't fuck it up, this could be a possibility.



Cheap shots? Okay, Bad refereeing? Okay, fine lets play it that way. However, when the game against Japan was delayed, which resulted in less rest, the bus not being charged (delay otw to the venue), changing the net before warm up, etc. These other factors were too low as a host. Plus, you add in the PBA politics at that time, we were not meant to win that game against China no matter what.

I keep emphasizing that we need to keep the identity that Tab built, that of defense, toughness, and unselfishness, even if Tab's not with the program anymore. We need a good defensive coordinator who can gameplan for our opponents, and who can make us defend. Of course, we need the players for it too. Similar to, or even better than, guys like Ange, Navarro, Dwight, and Balti on defense. Lopez can be a potential defensive player as well, Spencer too.

Chot's already kind of taking care of the offensive system, e, as we can see in the SEA Games, although the execution has been bad. Just need players who train together for a month, and young players can absorb, so it's good that the PBA's in conflict with the Asia Cup, so we can help develop that system further. Plus, I hope for no more three-guard lineups except if the third guard is Dwight or Spencer.

[JAMSKIE]

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I think Gilas has established an identity naman - papalit-palit ng head coach

[Goose]

Another thing why we pick amateur players is that UAAP and FIBA has frenetic pace - fast and energetic in a rather wild and uncontrolled way. So PBA players have trouble adjusting. We thank Coach Tab for showing us we can win against Korea on a regular basis and lead China. We have earned their respect. Coach Tab has opted to
coach Ateneo over Gilas so let's just move on from this issue. Coach Chot is no slouch either as I have mentioned. So Coach Chot can we train these amateurs in Europe again to prepare for the World Cup?

[Marsh Mello]

Is it true that Zav Lucero is one and done only for UP?