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  • Originally posted by live_evil View Post
    Asian Games super line up: WHAT IF!? hahaha Chot would be pissing his pants in excitement if he gets this line up. Tab would surely be able to lead this team to the knockouts of the Worlds or Olympics given proper preps.

    1) Martin
    2) Clarkson
    3) Harper Jr.
    4) Edu
    5) Sotto

    6) Green
    7) Ramos
    8) Malonzo
    9) Baltazar
    10) Tamayo
    11) Harris
    12) Kouame
    13) Bolick
    14) Navarro
    15) Harris
    If CCR gets that line up, he'll probably do Martin, Clarkson, Green, Harper, and Kai\Kouame\Edu. 4 players whose skill set is perfect for DDO and a big
    WE DON'T COUNT YEARS, WE COUNT CENTURIES

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    • Originally posted by C2Hamm View Post
      it would be nice if Kuoame is recognized as a local by FIBA and we get Harper Jr as NP. Remy is doing well right now but a playmaker\ball handler by committee can negate that and we do have a bunch of players who can do that. the ravenas, dwight, parks, heading, tuffin is an option, belangel, and abbarientos among others. we dont even know how well Panopio is now. and those are all non-PBA. im pretty sure some can argue that some PBA players will be better options, which is true depending on which player we are talking about.
      Honestly, I think non-PBA are the best options at the 3-4-5 positions, generally. It's the guards where the PBA has an argument.

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      • Originally posted by IPC View Post
        Honestly, I think non-PBA are the best options at the 3-4-5 positions, generally. It's the guards where the PBA has an argument.
        Very much agree. There's absolutely no doubt that CJ Perez, Kiefer Ravena & Robert Bolick are the best local guards in Phi basketball at this moment.
        "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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        • Originally posted by Rds View Post
          Tall non-creating wing. Defends the perimeter. Can shoot the open 3. Can do a straight line drive. Isnt this the definition of the NBAs 3-D wing? The 3-D wing is basically expected to defend the perimeter and shoot the open 3. The first I saw this in the NBA is with Spurs with Bruce Bowen. The Spurs being a small market team and perennial season high placer did not have a high pick or a top free agent in the majority of Tim Duncan's era .

          During this era the NBA moved away from big men to the perimeter. From Kobe to Lebron, it became a wing's league. The Spurs could not get a player to match up well with these guys. The closest they got was Stephen Jackson but the Spurs did not have the patience nor the money to keep him. So they did the next best thing, they got a tall athletic defensive free agent with almost no skill at all. Taught him to shoot the corner 3 and voila the 3-D position was born.

          So Tabs need for a tall wing defender who can guard the perimeter and shoot the 3 is actually not unique at all. It is needed to matchup with world's tall perimeter players.

          Hope Chot grows up. Throws his small SF system in the garbage bin and adapt offensive plays for taller but less skilled wings.
          Chot actually has Alton Lister in his TNT coaching staff. Lister played for Don Nelson's Warriors, which was a team notorious for small ball in the 90's and even into the 2000's. They had 6'5" Latrell Sprewell and 6'7" Chris Mullin as playmaking wings alongside Tim Hardaway, which means he didn't sacrifice that much size at SF when he was going small. He had Billy Owens, a wing, play as a small ball 4. Even Nelson's 2007 We Believe team had 6'6" Jason Richardson, 6'8" Stephen Jackson, 6'7" Matt Barnes, and 6'9" Al Harrington as interchangeable wings and forwards.

          I hope Lister can show Chot that the small-ball GSW teams he was in didn't sacrifice size at the 3.

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          • Originally posted by IPC View Post
            Honestly, I think non-PBA are the best options at the 3-4-5 positions, generally. It's the guards where the PBA has an argument.
            Guards ( IT IS PBA)

            Kiefer, Bolick, Perez, and actually even Scottie and Alas are having good performances this season.

            Wings (Overseas)

            Dwight
            Heading
            Parks

            Combo Forwards (IT is Uaap)

            Baltazar, Tamayo

            Bigs (OVERSEAS)

            Kai Sotto, AJ Edu

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            • Originally posted by live_evil View Post
              Asian Games super line up: WHAT IF!? hahaha Chot would be pissing his pants in excitement if he gets this line up. Tab would surely be able to lead this team to the knockouts of the Worlds or Olympics given proper preps.

              1) Martin
              2) Clarkson
              3) Harper Jr.
              4) Edu
              5) Sotto

              6) Green
              7) Ramos
              8) Malonzo
              9) Baltazar
              10) Tamayo
              11) Harris
              12) Kouame
              13) Bolick
              14) Navarro
              15) Harris
              Kai as our NP

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              • Originally posted by astigram04
                Just funny how Chot gets incessantly vilified by some people who advocates a lineup that sacrifices even the PF position. I think what's been typically small in Chot reyes lineups have been the 1 and 2. But with, possibly, a Clarkson in his lineup, his 2, for a change, Id bet, will have the size. Now, with a lot of people going for a thirdy ravena in the lineup and, with Chot himself seemingly very convinced about him, there's us sacrificing size at the SF. I don't necessarily agree with that but, it's just sounds funny ironic. As far as I'm concerned, if that position isn't to be covered by a naturalized, Oftana should be first in the list, then Baltazar and, maybe, Lopez. Ramos will also play some 3 but id like to have him slide down to the 2
                Actually, the 3 is what we're concerned about. He had undersized players playing the 3 if Gabe wasn't the 3. If not Gabe, it's Abueva, Chan, Pogoy, Wright.

                To be fair to Chot, though, we didn't have many quality 6'4+ wings when he was coach. Tab had to settle for MGR and Intal as our backup SFs.

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                • Originally posted by astigram04
                  Just funny how Chot gets incessantly vilified by some people who advocates a lineup that sacrifices even the PF position. I think what's been typically small in Chot reyes lineups have been the 1 and 2. But with, possibly, a Clarkson in his lineup, his 2, for a change, Id bet, will have the size. Now, with a lot of people going for a thirdy ravena in the lineup and, with Chot himself seemingly very convinced about him, there's us sacrificing size at the SF. I don't necessarily agree with that but, it's just sounds funny ironic. As far as I'm concerned, if that position isn't to be covered by a naturalized, Oftana should be first in the list, then Baltazar and, maybe, Lopez. Ramos will also play some 3 but id like to have him slide down to the 2
                  Agreed.

                  Thirdy is massively undersized for SF. He should be SG at the very least.

                  Oftana is the Most Proper Sized Wing Type SF.

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                  • Thirdy looks small even beside some of the Japanese guards in the league, the guy is just freakishly athletic but he still cannot play that 3 position, no fucking way Jose. Maybe if you want to test your dinosaur system against Filbasket level teams you could play him as a 3, hell play him as a stretch 4.

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                    • Guys, I would like to list some players. And please identify if their main/natural position should be SG, SF, or Small Ball PF(ala Tatum)

                      Jordan Clarkson
                      Ron Harper Jr.
                      Rayray Parks
                      CJ Perez
                      Dwight Ramos
                      Thirdy Ravena
                      Ken Tuffin
                      Justine Baltazar
                      Carl Tamayo
                      Calvin Oftana
                      Kobe Paras
                      Matthew Wright
                      RR Pogoy
                      Roosevelt Adams
                      Lebron Lopez
                      Caelum Harris

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                      • Originally posted by astigram04
                        Yes, having some small 3s weren't really by choice and, to be even more fair and accurate, those players didn't play together so, yes, Chot had some undersized 3s but just 1 or 2 each
                        time. For example, his world cup squad, that only had Chan. I don't consider Norwood as undersized for the position. he wasn't the tallest for the position in that tournament but he was a good sized SF specially considering that we are short people. I remember RDO playing some SF too so, essentially, he didn't go small in that position in the tournament except for when Chan was inside. Here's hoping that Baltazar would get that role. Anyway, Where we were really small is in the backcoirt because he chose to have a platoon of small point guards. With already having Jimmy and Jayson, he should've cut Tenorio so Lee could play some PG instead of getting pigeonholed at the SG post. But, I believe,the lineup could've looked quite significantly different had Marcio not been sidelined by COUGH
                        It was actually Ping who would play defensive SF not RDO. Gabe is again a skillset and athleticism that is not readily available to us. He was athletic, around 6'6 and played some PG in college. Even Dwight didnt have that college credentials.

                        So if DDO needs a Gabe Norwood at SF and/or a point center Blatche at center to work then patay na tayo. Dave is the only home developed player who has the handles and passing to do that. And he is only 6'3-6:4. So we have to constantly import eligible Filfors with the size and skill so DDO will work? Tsk tsk

                        Note it was Tab who used Intal in Gilas not Chot. Right there you see how Tab prioritizes defense and the system over Chot who prefers the spectacular.

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                        • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
                          Pero i was hoping Koon could play as a local for us sayang nmn (via Slaughter route)...Koon & Lucero pwd na

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                          • Wow. This just means that the crowded position and deepest fight for position is that SG/SF spot.

                            PF/C are set with Kai and Aj, then probably just add Japeth

                            Combo Forwads SF/PF would be occupied by Balti and Tamayo, Ofc Troy will have consideration beacuse of coach chot.

                            Guards will be occupied/battled by Kiefer, Bolick, and Dalph.

                            BUT THAT BATTLE FOR SG/SF WILL BE TOUGH

                            CANDIDATES:

                            Jordan Clarkson (Shoo in if chosen as NP)
                            Rayray Parks (Arguably the second most talented in this list after JC. Fortunately for others, his relationship with Gilas and SBP is sour)
                            CJ Perez (Best Local Gilas Performer last World Cup)
                            Calvin Oftana (The most properly sized natural SF for us)
                            Dwight Ramos (Most Consistent Local Gilas Player last 2 windows, B league experience)
                            Thirdy Ravena (Good showing in the windows. B league experience)
                            Jordan Heading (Best Pure Wing Shooter?)
                            Matthew Wright (One of the best Shooters in Pba)
                            RR Pogoy (One of the best shooters in pba)
                            Roosevelt Adams (Nice Asset if he is eligible)
                            Lebron Lopez (Athletic Young SF)
                            Caelum harris (Young, but probably have the most upside in this list)
                            Will Navarro (best wing defender)
                            Dave Ildefonso (Will be develop under coach tab. A 6'4/6'5 wing scorer)

                            Very Tough.

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                            • Any idea if Chot and his crew are practicing already?

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