Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[empyreanmaze]

Honestly I think you would be sacrificing a lot of perimeter defense playing Parks and Dwight at the 2-4, this duo would get scorched by tall shooting teams like China, Iran or Korea. I think they would be fit only if the other team is similar sized. I still think you need to have lanky players with mobility like Wil Navarro for those vital close outs and switches on defense, Parks and Dwight are strong but they don't seem lanky or long so if the other team starts heating up on the 3 point line, not much your defense can do. Imo I think having 2 forwards at the 3-4(Navarro-Tamayo-Balti) is more vital on defense than having 2 shooting guards there no matter how slow footed your forwards are, I think a polished Tamayo and Baltazar can get a reasonable percentage of points that the other team would steal from blow-bys on offense if they are utilized properly. I would still take length over speed because I've seen how fruitless speed is watching Romeo blowing by his Korean defenders a thousand times but still can't carry the team to a W against Korea and this carried on for almost a decade lol.

[live_evil]

the things is our idiot coaches believe that Filipinos are quicker than others, when they are not. Our world opponents are just as quick, and stronger, and bigger.

[mathematicianrcg]

Where else will you get international fit players? the PBA? lol

PG:

Heading (Foreign Born/Raised Filam)

Kiefer (Homegrown Filipino)

SG:

Parks (Philippine Born Filam)


SF:

Dwight Ramos (Foreign Born/Raised Filam)

PF:

Ron Harper Jr. (Foreign Born/Raised Filam)

Justine Baltazar (Homegrown Filipino)

C:

Kai Sotto( Homegrown Filipino)

AJ Edu (Foreign Born/Raised Fil Nigerian)

PS: If we follow analyzed suggestion, It will be like that. The purpose I made it like thaf is to show comparison between homegrown locals and foreigned raised Fil Foreigns.

[IPC]

Bilis ng depensa ng Magnolia. Closest I see to Tab's defense. DLSU should have really gotten Victolero.

Yeah, Mags rotate well on defense under Victolero, and are aggressive on that end too. Pang-international, plus some extracurricular activity.

I'd have wanted him to serve as a Gilas assistant and eventually head coach probably, pero malabo. Oh well.

I think he could adapt to taller non-shot creating wings instead of three guards at the international level, given how he uses Rome dela Rosa and Aris Dionisio at 3. Could do something with Dwight Ramos, Will Navarro, Lebron Lopez at the 3.

[Rds]

I'd have wanted him to serve as a Gilas assistant and eventually head coach probably, pero malabo. Oh well.

I think he could adapt to taller non-shot creating wings instead of three guards at the international level, given how he uses Rome dela Rosa and Aris Dionisio at 3. Could do something with Dwight Ramos, Will Navarro, Lebron Lopez at the 3.

Tall non-creating wing. Defends the perimeter. Can shoot the open 3. Can do a straight line drive. Isnt this the definition of the NBAs 3-D wing? The 3-D wing is basically expected to defend the perimeter and shoot the open 3. The first I saw this in the NBA is with Spurs with Bruce Bowen. The Spurs being a small market team and perennial season high placer did not have a high pick or a top free agent in the majority of Tim Duncan's era .

During this era the NBA moved away from big men to the perimeter. From Kobe to Lebron, it became a wing's league. The Spurs could not get a player to match up well with these guys. The closest they got was Stephen Jackson but the Spurs did not have the patience nor the money to keep him. So they did the next best thing, they got a tall athletic defensive free agent with almost no skill at all. Taught him to shoot the corner 3 and voila the 3-D position was born.

So Tabs need for a tall wing defender who can guard the perimeter and shoot the 3 is actually not unique at all. It is needed to matchup with world's tall perimeter players.

Hope Chot grows up. Throws his small SF system in the garbage bin and adapt offensive plays for taller but less skilled wings.

[carmelo7]

Tall non-creating wing. Defends the perimeter. Can shoot the open 3. Can do a straight line drive. Isnt this the definition of the NBAs 3-D wing? The 3-D wing is basically expected to defend the perimeter and shoot the open 3. The first I saw this in the NBA is with Spurs with Bruce Bowen. The Spurs being a small market team and perennial season high placer did not have a high pick or a top free agent in the majority of Tim Duncan's era .

During this era the NBA moved away from big men to the perimeter. From Kobe to Lebron, it became a wing's league. The Spurs could not get a player to match up well with these guys. The closest they got was Stephen Jackson but the Spurs did not have the patience nor the money to keep him. So they did the next best thing, they got a tall athletic defensive free agent with almost no skill at all. Taught him to shoot the corner 3 and voila the 3-D position was born.

So Tabs need for a tall wing defender who can guard the perimeter and shoot the 3 is actually not unique at all. It is needed to matchup with world's tall perimeter players.

Hope Chot grows up. Throws his small SF system in the garbage bin and adapt offensive plays for taller but less skilled wings.

Is Zavier Lucero eligible as local for
Gilas? seems
like the prototype SF: 6'6-6'7 long & lanky, has a decent perimeter game, able to drive and handle the ball and nice motor too and at 22-23years old Lucero,Balti & Tamayo as forwards/Wings on Gilas would be nice. Dave,Dwight,Thirdy,Heading can all stay at 1-2 positions

[ARMIR]

the things is our idiot coaches believe that Filipinos are quicker than others, when they are not. Our world opponents are just as quick, and stronger, and bigger.

The present head coach thinks otherwise.

[DAdmiral]

It's versatility, positionless versatility. We don't need to pigeon hole any of the players at a specific position , like Harper Jr and Dwight don't have to be the forwards in my line up, they can be the guards .. they just have to be capable of guarding the forward spot . And on that note you can't tell me Harper Jr a 6'6 with 6'10 wingspan 248 lbs of athleticism and big 10 defensive player of the year is a worst PF defender than any Pinoy local.
While Dwight isn't a worse defender at wingspan spots compared to almost any of the other Gilas prospects, besides 2/3 is interchangeable and Dwight can seamlessly interchange with Parks.
It would be significantly worse to use a Navarro, why ? The lack of flexibility. If Navarro switches to the SG , we get blow bys. And don't forget he has to play offense. Gilas space and pace game suffers with Navarro on the offensive end. Honestly I would rather pair Baltazar rather than Navarro at the forward spot with Harper or Dwight. It fits better and has more versatility

[mathematicianrcg]

It's versatility, positionless versatility. We don't need to pigeon hole any of the players at a specific position , like Harper Jr and Dwight don't have to be the forwards in my line up, they can be the guards .. they just have to be capable of guarding the forward spot . And on that note you can't tell me Harper Jr a 6'6 with 6'10 wingspan 248 lbs of athleticism and big 10 defensive player of the year is a worst PF defender than any Pinoy local.
While Dwight isn't a worse defender at wingspan spots compared to almost any of the other Gilas prospects, besides 2/3 is interchangeable and Dwight can seamlessly interchange with Parks.
It would be significantly worse to use a Navarro, why ? The lack of flexibility. If Navarro switches to the SG , we get blow bys. And don't forget he has to play offense. Gilas space and pace game suffers with Navarro on the offensive end. Honestly I would rather pair Baltazar rather than Navarro at the forward spot with Harper or Dwight. It fits better and has more versatility

SG and SF being interchangeable depends on the system imo.

PF and C can be interchangeable too if you have a Big Heavy System.

But, I usually think SG as your best shooter/perimeter scorer. While SF is your Tall Lengthy Perimeter defender, who happens also to be the most versatile in the team.

For ex. Michael Jordan as SG and Scottie Pippen as SF.

But if you have 2 Swing Players (yun tawag nyo diba?) who can play both SG and SF. Then good, we will have multiple versatile players.

[mathematicianrcg]

My 5 for Gilas

Kai
Harper Jr
Dwight
Parks
Heading

emphasis on pace and space (outside shooting) , versatility and dynamic shooting of the bounce

If Harper Jr. Will be our NP. This will be my lineup:
(I am assuming this is 2024 beyond since yeah naturalization process)

PG: Kiefer Ravena, Dalph Panopio (Maybe he already improved in this time)

SG: Jordan Heading (for shooting), Rayray Parks (CJ perez if rayray declines)

SF: Ron Harper Jr, Caelum Harris, Lebron Lopez, Basti Reyes

PF: Baltazar, Tamayo

C: Kai, AJ

MY Reasons:

I know what will you guys say. I will have a very thin frontline in Kai and AJ only. But I think Balti and Tamayo can play some spot up mins as PF/C.

I deepen the SF spot with Harper, Caelum, Lopez, and probably Basti (I hope he develops well), They can also slide sometimes as a small ball 4.

For Guards, Basically I just needed playmakers. Hence, Kiefer and Dalph.

Heading provides shooting. While Rayray or CJ provides Penetration.

STRENGTHS OF MY LINEUP:

Versatility
Can go Traditional Lineup or Small Ball Lineup.
Can go Fast paced or slow paced

WEAKNESS OF MY LINEUP

Very Narrow Frontline



PS: Maybe I can replace Basti by another Big. Depending who is the best left available big during that time.

[DAdmiral]

a 6'6 245 lb Harper jr in Gilas context is not small at PF (it's effective length and mobility , not height on paper)

it allows Gilas to slide both Tamayo and baltazar as interchangable spots at forward with Harper

Dont' forget Dave idelfonso , i would sacrifice his lack of length any day with the offensive versatilty he provides at wing 2/3, both on offense and defense

[DAdmiral]

Ron Harper Jr scouting

Pre-Draft Analysis
March 15, 2022: (2022 NBA mock draft: Drafting players competing in the NCAA tournament) -- Named second-team All-Big Ten, Harper carried Rutgers into the NCAA tournament with several heroic late game shots after a slow start to the season. While undersized for the power forward position he mostly plays, Harper's 245-pound frame and near 7-foot wingspan allows him to play bigger than his height. He made 39% of his 3-pointers this season, being especially effective with his feet set due to the low release on his jumper, but is also capable of scoring in the post, attacking closeouts and coming off screens, showing excellent scoring instincts as well as no fear with his approach.

Perhaps most intriguing are the competitiveness, technique and instincts defensively Harper shows, in addition to his extremely long arms, which gives some hope about his ability to guard wing players in the NBA like his height suggests he'll need to. Harper's thick, doughy frame has always been a concern dating back early in his career, and it's been disappointing to see him fail to get in better shape, something teams will certainly want to see him do in the pre-draft process. Playing with little help around him offensively, Harper has been forced to carry a heavy load for Rutgers this season, which has led to some inconsistent and especially inefficient performances. -- Jonathan Givony

[C2Hamm]

it would be nice if Kuoame is recognized as a local by FIBA and we get Harper Jr as NP. Remy is doing well right now but a playmaker\ball handler by committee can negate that and we do have a bunch of players who can do that. the ravenas, dwight, parks, heading, tuffin is an option, belangel, and abbarientos among others. we dont even know how well Panopio is now. and those are all non-PBA. im pretty sure some can argue that some PBA players will be better options, which is true depending on which player we are talking about.

[live_evil]

Asian Games super line up: WHAT IF!? hahaha Chot would be pissing his pants in excitement if he gets this line up. Tab would surely be able to lead this team to the knockouts of the Worlds or Olympics given proper preps.

1) Martin
2) Clarkson
3) Harper Jr.
4) Edu
5) Sotto

6) Green
7) Ramos
8) Malonzo
9) Baltazar
10) Tamayo
11) Harris
12) Kouame
13) Bolick
14) Navarro
15) Harris

[Rds]

It's versatility, positionless versatility. We don't need to pigeon hole any of the players at a specific position , like Harper Jr and Dwight don't have to be the forwards in my line up, they can be the guards .. they just have to be capable of guarding the forward spot . And on that note you can't tell me Harper Jr a 6'6 with 6'10 wingspan 248 lbs of athleticism and big 10 defensive player of the year is a worst PF defender than any Pinoy local.
While Dwight isn't a worse defender at wingspan spots compared to almost any of the other Gilas prospects, besides 2/3 is interchangeable and Dwight can seamlessly interchange with Parks.
It would be significantly worse to use a Navarro, why ? The lack of flexibility. If Navarro switches to the SG , we get blow bys. And don't forget he has to play offense. Gilas space and pace game suffers with Navarro on the offensive end. Honestly I would rather pair Baltazar rather than Navarro at the forward spot with Harper or Dwight. It fits better and has more versatility

Yes. Harper Jr is all that. But when can we actually have him play with us? The question is is which available players can play the tall wing role for us? Unfortunately we dont have many available guys who have Balti's combination of length, height and mobility. Defensively, Navarro is the next best thing. But he is too small to play PF. This is why I think Tab was working on his handles for him to play SG part time. We have younger 6'6-6'8 guys that should be part of the pool like what did to Lepalam. The problem though ironically with the college kids now is availability. On the other hand you could see in the UAAP the skill level of the players are getting higher because of the talls FSAs and Filfors. USTs forwards for example are very good shooters. They were temporarily able to hold off UPs size with this. Pinoy forwards will have to to polish ther shooting and dribbling skills to score off the tall FSAs. This a good thing for Pinoy basketball development.