Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[IPC]

It is fine imo. It sucks also if they do not know how to use their size advantage in a mismatch if there is one. (We dont want them to be Just Like Mick Pennisi. Lmao)

THE PROBLEM IS Local Coaches should not stop them from learning Perimeter Skills too, while teaching inside game.

Teach them all skills including both Guards Skills and Bigs Skills.

Better to be All Around Players. Rather than A One Dimensional Inside Player, or a 1 dimensional Perimeter player

Well, tama naman, use their size, but you'll have to make sure that you can play both big positions, not just center. If mobile enough, try to be combo forwards like Tamayo and Baltazar.

[IPC]

TNT's offense is painful to look at. No play whatsoever

Chots gameplan, give the ball to mikey

replace Williams with Clarkson and you are seeing the Gilas offense for the worlds with Chot as Coach.

What happened to TNT is frankly worrying. This will tire out the main shot creators, and make the both the drive and the kickout easier to read, which would result in lower-quality outside shots, which will then lead to lower percentages.

In addition, what happened to their defense, especially in the last 2 games against Ginebra? They were a top defensive team in the All-Filipino, and now Scottie, Brownlee, LA, and Japeth got easy points in their spots. What happened to the team that rotated well against Magnolia?

If that's gonna be a preview of Gilas' offense and defense, I'm worried. Chot better get his tactics straight, and soon. Lineup could help too. Adapt some plays that get shooters and cutters open through off-ball action, have the star play within the flow of the offense, and bring back what defensive magic you had in the All-Filipino bubble.

Chot should get more internationally viable players in every position, and get more internationally viable systems on both ends.

[mathematicianrcg]

What happened to TNT is frankly worrying. This will tire out the main shot creators, and make the both the drive and the kickout easier to read, which would result in lower-quality outside shots, which will then lead to lower percentages.

In addition, what happened to their defense, especially in the last 2 games against Ginebra? They were a top defensive team in the All-Filipino, and now Scottie, Brownlee, LA, and Japeth got easy points in their spots. What happened to the team that rotated well against Magnolia?

If that's gonna be a preview of Gilas' offense and defense, I'm worried. Chot better get his tactics straight, and soon. Lineup could help too. Adapt some plays that get shooters and cutters open through off-ball action, have the star play within the flow of the offense, and bring back what defensive magic you had in the All-Filipino bubble.

Chot should get more internationally viable players in every position, and get more internationally viable systems on both ends.

That import replacement is reall a bad decision. He was really too passive. And HE doesnt offer Rim Protection!!!

You guys saw how easily Japeth, Brownlee, and Scottie scored inside? Especially Japeth. Lol.

Coach Chot had a hard time defending that Horns Set Wing by Ginebra.

It is a simple double screen at the top. Then drive, and pass it to a wing 3.

Another play is a simple concept of triangle. Pass the ball to the Post Playmaker, and then there are cutters and off ball actions options.

Idk, Coach Chot and His Players have a lot of problems on those 2 Plays.

Anyway, Int stint of Gilas is a different animal. Ofc, you will have better players.

In SEA GAMES, Coach Chot will look good again.

It is the Fiba Asia Cup where will be the true test. And we are not even sure if Both Kai and AJ are available in that time.

[IPC]

I hope Chot learned his lessons from the Ginebra and NZ beatdowns. Get a better system for offense, and get a better system and/or better personnel for defense. SEA Games would be a good tryout for personnel and system. He has to use this for trying out more internationally-viable players and systems.

problem is, SEA games is fools gold due to the weak competition, soo, looks like Chot's gonna use the tournament to save face

And show the world that too much "bara-bara" can work, and the Pinoy small ball lineups are sustainable. Plus, nothing to worry about defensively.

If Chot doesn't adjust, we're looking at a long 2022 and 2023. If he wants to compete and stay relevant, he has to adapt. And that starts in the SEA Games, in my opinion.

[zairex]

Today frontline opponents of Kai are all inside guys. If my memory service me right, no one has guards skills or perimeter shot. Why is it ok in NBL?

[mathematicianrcg]

If Chot doesn't adjust, we're looking at a long 2022 and 2023. If he wants to compete and stay relevant, he has to adapt. And that starts in the SEA Games, in my opinion.

2023 WC. I am excited actually. We are hosting such event.

I am positive pba and collegiate wll give way for that. Which means more preparation.

We never know, maybe we can replicate that 2014 success, if not better.

Coach Chot is still our most accomplished WC Coach.

But I agree, he needs more time and preparation to add some twist and variations to his DDO system

That is what happened in 2014. It was just now purely DDO.

Yes, I am Just being OPTIMISTIC. Lol.

[DAdmiral]

Today frontline opponents of Kai are all inside guys. If my memory service me right, no one has guards skills or perimeter shot. Why is it ok in NBL?

Context, Cairns a bottom team main center is Zimmerman who takes 3 pt shots, 40 yr old Jawai from another generation no longer get PT( was just used for situation. Pinder is a active mobile forward being used as a center for game.

Last night top playoff teams Sydney vs SEM , demonstrated the modern game in full display and more accurate reflection of the NBL game today. 6'9 3 point mobile forward Jarel Martin is Sydney main finish the gsme center . To matchup SEM benched traditional center Zhou in 4th quarter (did not play). And used a 6'8 Pinau active quick feet mobile forward as their big..
SYdney won by 1. That gsme is actually more a reflection of the NBL.
Forward Baristow with excellent footwork and shoots 3s is the 36ers main center
Note Sydney Kings main center is.small ball center MVP candidate Cooks. while NZ center Wetzell is a mobile quick footed forward in US college (not really a center)
Othee Top 4 teams main bigs are - Perth Travers and Law. Hawks - Reath . They are all small ball skilled bigs
This is more of true reflection of the NBL (Not old traditional Jawai LOL)

Your takes are consistently flawed

[Silent Killer]

Context, Cairns a bottom team main center is Zimmerman who takes 3 pt shots, 40 yr old Jawai from another generation no longer get PT( was just used for situation. Pinder is a active mobile forward being used as a center for game.

Last night top playoff teams Sydney vs SEM , demonstrated the modern game in full display and more accurate reflection of the NBL game today. 6'9 3 point mobile forward Jarel Martin is Sydney main finish the gsme center . To matchup SEM benched traditional center Zhou in 4th quarter (did not play). And used a 6'8 Pinau active quick feet mobile forward as their big..
SYdney won by 1. That gsme is actually more a reflection of the NBL.
Forward Baristow with excellent footwork and shoots 3s is the 36ers main center
Note Sydney Kings main center is.small ball center MVP candidate Cooks. while NZ center Wetzell is a mobile quick footed forward in US college (not really a center)
Othee Top 4 teams main bigs are - Perth Travers and Law. Hawks - Reath . They are all small ball skilled bigs
This is more of true reflection of the NBL (Not old traditional Jawai LOL)

Your takes are consistently flawed

the frolings are shooting 3 pointers as well..

[IPC]

2023 WC. I am excited actually. We are hosting such event.

I am positive pba and collegiate wll give way for that. Which means more preparation.

We never know, maybe we can replicate that 2014 success, if not better.

Coach Chot is still our most accomplished WC Coach.

But I agree, he needs more time and preparation to add some twist and variations to his DDO system

That is what happened in 2014. It was just now purely DDO.

Yes, I am Just being OPTIMISTIC. Lol.

2014 wasn't really pure DDO. There were wrinkles. He should add wrinkles for use in FIBA and even the PBA. Include off-ball plays for shooters and cutters, involve rollers in PnR situations.

Furthermore, he needs to focus on defense, build on the defensive foundation that Tab gave us. Have a good defensive scheme, for one. Furthermore, he should get defensive personnel, and those with potential to contribute on that end. Dwight, Thirdy, Balti, and Navarro are crucial to defense, they provide length and effort while not sacrificing speed. Probably Lebron amd Caelum. He should not sacrifice height and length on defense for speed on offense, especially if the position is the 3-spot.

[empyreanmaze]

2014 wasn't really pure DDO. There were wrinkles. He should add wrinkles for use in FIBA and even the PBA. Include off-ball plays for shooters and cutters, involve rollers in PnR situations.

Furthermore, he needs to focus on defense, build on the defensive foundation that Tab gave us. Have a good defensive scheme, for one. Furthermore, he should get defensive personnel, and those with potential to contribute on that end. Dwight, Thirdy, Balti, and Navarro are crucial to defense, they provide length and effort while not sacrificing speed. Probably Lebron amd Caelum. He should not sacrifice height and length on defense for speed on offense, especially if the position is the 3-spot.

I don't know how many more times that point needs to be hammered on. Even 6'6+ pinoy players are easily bulldozed through by players from teams that are used to having 6'7 wingers and still the solution many see is to give up height for "speed" lol. Undersized point guards also will find it way harder to pass to perimeter players because the opponent's length will bother them, undersized shooters are not effective because the opponent's length will bother them, even on defense the opponent's length will bother them, jesus christ how many lessons are there left to learn with this shit. The 50 point blowout in 2019 wasn't enough? the 32 point blowout against Korea in 2017? and now the 25 point spanking against New Zealand's 3rd stringers are we gonna remember that? geriatrics are reminiscing about muh 2014 but completely forgetting about the very relatively recent complete humiliations of pinoy ball lol fuck me.

[empyreanmaze]

Putting SBP/Chot in the same sentence as "winning formula" should be a crime worthy of capital punishment.

[empyreanmaze]

I also remember the team that got into a brawl with Australia had quite some prep time under Chot, that team was together with Blatche in a few games against Taipei and Japan and I think a few others and they're still down 32 against Australia in the 3rd(it could've easily EASILY been a 40+ point blowout even as a proper game). The lack of preparation/chemistry excuse is tired baloney, that team was undersized and their overhyped skills/talent couldn't make up for it.

[IPC]

I don't know how many more times that point needs to be hammered on. Even 6'6+ pinoy players are easily bulldozed through by players from teams that are used to having 6'7 wingers and still the solution many see is to give up height for "speed" lol. Undersized point guards also will find it way harder to pass to perimeter players because the opponent's length will bother them, undersized shooters are not effective because the opponent's length will bother them, even on defense the opponent's length will bother them, jesus christ how many lessons are there left to learn with this shit. The 50 point blowout in 2019 wasn't enough? the 32 point blowout against Korea in 2017? and now the 25 point spanking against New Zealand's 3rd stringers are we gonna remember that? geriatrics are reminiscing about muh 2014 but completely forgetting about the very relatively recent complete humiliations of pinoy ball lol fuck me.

Even in that Ginebra series. Chot could have used the length of guys like MGR and even Khobuntin at 3 to cover LA, Pinto, Scottie, and Brownlee. Sure, sacrificing speed, but their length might have helped in closeouts. Instead, there was Mikey, Ryan Reyes, Pogoy, Castro, and Montalbo, who lack the length to cover the distance in closeouts. Their speed can't make up for their lack of length to cover shooters. Yeah, Ginebra only made a total of 16 threes and scored mostly inside the arc, especially in the paint with Brownlee, Japeth, and Scottie, but a lengthier, rangier wing could have at least distracted their shooters and helped in paint rotations. Didn't help that Kelly's the only tough guy in the TNT frontline.

Same thing in the NZ game last February, only Chot had the personnel (Dwight, Navarro, probably Lebron), but ayun, didn't even use Navarro and Lebron, and at one point, had Dwight at 4. NZ was actually playing a small ball lineup, and they dictated the tempo.

Hay, nako. Chot should really learn from those beatdowns. He got outcoached by a coach who I thought was done and almost as stubborn as he is, and got out-small balled by NZ. Really needs new tactics.

[mathematicianrcg]

Even in that Ginebra series. Chot could have used the length of guys like MGR and even Khobuntin at 3 to cover LA, Pinto, Scottie, and Brownlee. Sure, sacrificing speed, but their length might have helped in closeouts. Instead, there was Mikey, Ryan Reyes, Pogoy, Castro, and Montalbo, who lack the length to cover the distance in closeouts. Their speed can't make up for their lack of length to cover shooters. Yeah, Ginebra only made a total of 16 threes and scored mostly inside the arc, especially in the paint with Brownlee, Japeth, and Scottie, but a lengthier, rangier wing could have at least distracted their shooters and helped in paint rotations. Didn't help that Kelly's the only tough guy in the TNT frontline.

Same thing in the NZ game last February, only Chot had the personnel (Dwight, Navarro, probably Lebron), but ayun, didn't even use Navarro and Lebron, and at one point, had Dwight at 4. NZ was actually playing a small ball lineup, and they dictated the tempo.

Hay, nako. Chot should really learn from those beatdowns. He got outcoached by a coach who I thought was done and almost as stubborn as he is, and got out-small balled by NZ. Really needs new tactics.

I dont think Coach Tim Cone is done.

I bet he will win a ring again this year. and many more to come.

You can say, he just have good players during his alska, San Mig/Purefoods/m Ginebra stint. But still.

And unlike other jurrasic coaches, even though he is an old head, he was open minded enough to adjust for the modern basketball game.

[zairex]

Context, Cairns a bottom team main center is Zimmerman who takes 3 pt shots, 40 yr old Jawai from another generation no longer get PT( was just used for situation. Pinder is a active mobile forward being used as a center for game.

Last night top playoff teams Sydney vs SEM , demonstrated the modern game in full display and more accurate reflection of the NBL game today. 6'9 3 point mobile forward Jarel Martin is Sydney main finish the gsme center . To matchup SEM benched traditional center Zhou in 4th quarter (did not play). And used a 6'8 Pinau active quick feet mobile forward as their big..
SYdney won by 1. That gsme is actually more a reflection of the NBL.
Forward Baristow with excellent footwork and shoots 3s is the 36ers main center
Note Sydney Kings main center is.small ball center MVP candidate Cooks. while NZ center Wetzell is a mobile quick footed forward in US college (not really a center)
Othee Top 4 teams main bigs are - Perth Travers and Law. Hawks - Reath . They are all small ball skilled bigs
This is more of true reflection of the NBL (Not old traditional Jawai LOL)

Your takes are consistently flawed

Compare how you asked to have bigs to have guard like skills. Mad about Pinoy bit ok with NBL. Considering NBL is a higher league than Philippines. Their are alot of Center in NBL who dont have guard like skills. So is Aus a terrible at development, or your expectations are flawed.