Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[C2Hamm]

Idk.

Nowadays:

Unskilled Slow Footed Bigs = Not Small Ball

Skilled Bigs = Small Ball pa rin (regardless of height)

For ex:

2020 Lakers. They are considered "small ball" by some. Despite we all know Lebron and AD are not Bigs.

Same with 2021 Bucks. Are they small ball even if they LITERALLY have 2 7 footers in the floor Giannis and Lopez?

Maybe the term should be "Skilled Ball" Rather than "Small Ball"

The "Small Ball" term is used because of the notion that small players= more skilled. (Which is not always true)

Shaq is skilled and fast\athletic despite his height. need to be clear on what "skilled is"

[DAdmiral]

Actually the Philippines despite it's small size players mostly plays big ball (center to SG mostly are pure inside skilled players ).
Yes even our SG play the post LOL (Scottie

[mathematicianrcg]

Shaq is skilled and fast\athletic despite his height. need to be clear on what "skilled is"

Well, we also need to be clear what "small" is.

Because Lebron, AD, Giannis are not Small.

Should we follow analyzed def of Small ball (SF, PF, C with Guard like skills).

[IPC]

Idk.

Nowadays:

Unskilled Slow Footed Bigs = Not Small Ball

Skilled Bigs = Small Ball pa rin (regardless of height)

For ex:

2020 Lakers. They are considered "small ball" by some. Despite we all know Lebron and AD are not Bigs.

Same with 2021 Bucks. Are they small ball even if they LITERALLY have 2 7 footers in the floor Giannis and Lopez?

Maybe the term should be "Skilled Ball" Rather than "Small Ball"

The "Small Ball" term is used because of the notion that small players= more skilled. (Which is not always true)

Yeah, AD is a small ball center. Same with Giannis. Both are natural PFs with guard skills. KG, Bosh, and Draymond are also small ball centers, despite the fact that KG and Bosh are 6'11".

Like RDS said, small ball really is "small skills" of the PF and/or center. It's either you put a natural wing at PF, a natural forward at C, or both.

[IPC]

Actually the Philippines despite it's small size players mostly plays big ball (center to SG mostly are pure inside skilled players ).
Yes even our SG play the post LOL (Scottie

Yep, we play mostly traditional ball. Apart from the fact that a lot of players play the post, they're also pigeonholed to their positions. Once you play a certain position in your youth, that's it, especially for the SF, PF, and center positions. Good luck na lang getting a 6'2" 3-man or a 6'3"-6'4" 4-man to play as a guard, or a 6'4"-6'5" traditional big to play 3 or small ball 4.

[mathematicianrcg]

But as far as our Gilas Senior Team is concern.

With Kai, AJ, and possibly Ange as our Bigs.

It is more sensible to go with a proper sized traditional lineup.

Small Ball is ok for me. But in reality, we dont have the personnel for that.

I think even Coach Chot will go for 4 Bigs in 2023 WC.

Kai, AJ (healthy), JMF, ( Either Ange or Japeth depending on Who is NP)

That way, Balti and Tamayo can be in Forward Spots.

While players like Dwight, Oftana, Thirdy (or Parks) will be in Swings.

Pba can occupy guards. Bolick and Kiefer (probably back in pba that time)

[IPC]

But as far as our Gilas Senior Team is concern.

With Kai, AJ, and possibly Ange as our Bigs.

It is more sensible to go with a proper sized traditional lineup.

Small Ball is ok for me. But in reality, we dont have the personnel for that.

I think even Coach Chot will go for 4 Bigs in 2023 WC.

Kai, AJ (healthy), JMF, ( Either Ange or Japeth depending on Who is NP)

That way, Balti and Tamayo can be in Forward Spots.

While players like Dwight, Oftana, Thirdy (or Parks) will be in Swings.

Pba can occupy guards. Bolick and Kiefer (probably back in pba that time)

I actually agree with this. For the senior team, we should look to play a traditional lineup as much as possible. We can have the length on defense to be able to rotate and contest shots. I mean, we already have the tools for a traditional lineup, so let's roll with it for the game. By traditional, we should mean properly-sized players for all positions, which we have.

Small ball, whether proper or Pinoy (which should be limited to only a minute or two at most) should be in spurts so as to rest our players.

[Sikatrix]

Actually the Philippines despite it's small size players mostly plays big ball (center to SG mostly are pure inside skilled players ).
Yes even our SG play the post LOL (Scottie

Byproduct of poor development of outside shooting.

[Rds]

AD was a 6'3 guard until he had an 8' growth spurt, while carrying over guard skills, mobility and athleticism. He has had health problems. I think he has been carrying a bit more weight than ideal. You could see guys like Giannis and even Mobley are leaner. At that height and weight that high level of activity will have an impact.

[k3ttch]

Byproduct of poor development of outside shooting.

Walang pogi points kasi pag tumitira sa labas.

[CoJ]

Walang pogi points kasi pag tumitira sa labas.

and i thought this generation, and the next generation of players will rely and fall in love with 3 point shooting since they grew up watching the likes of dirk, ray allen, lillard, steph curry, klay thompson etc..

[empyreanmaze]

and i thought this generation, and the next generation of players will rely and fall in love with 3 point shooting since they grew up watching the likes of dirk, ray allen, lillard, steph curry, klay thompson etc..

I don't think it's really the players with any accountability here. They've got to fit the scheme of their teams to keep their job and we all know the winning schemes in the pba are outdated and very very insular(not pegged to international basketball). We need to have some reality-bending magic event to get the pba to embrace foreign coaches and fiba rules lol.

[IPC]

and i thought this generation, and the next generation of players will rely and fall in love with 3 point shooting since they grew up watching the likes of dirk, ray allen, lillard, steph curry, klay thompson etc..

I don't think it's really the players with any accountability here. They've got to fit the scheme of their teams to keep their job and we all know the winning schemes in the pba are outdated and very very insular(not pegged to international basketball). We need to have some reality-bending magic event to get the pba to embrace foreign coaches and fiba rules lol.

I watched in a YouTube video that Donjie Cornesio, the 6'7" Bohol vaccination teen, once idolized Steph, but he had to learn how to play inside due to his height. On the other hand, 6'8" Brix Verzosa is learning midrange stepbacks.

It's probably the system and culture, not the players.

[CoJ]

I don't think it's really the players with any accountability here. They've got to fit the scheme of their teams to keep their job and we all know the winning schemes in the pba are outdated and very very insular(not pegged to international basketball). We need to have some reality-bending magic event to get the pba to embrace foreign coaches and fiba rules lol.

I watched in a YouTube video that Donjie Cornesio, the 6'7" Bohol vaccination teen, once idolized Steph, but he had to learn how to play inside due to his height. On the other hand, 6'8" Brix Verzosa is learning midrange stepbacks.

It's probably the system and culture, not the players.

true, part of the blame are on the coaches and on the development system as well, especially that most of our coaches are stuck with the traditional ball/90s ball and are interested not in development but in winning/saving their careers.

I hope the next generation of local coaches would put emphasis on perimeter play/analytics/moneyball etc. parang iilan lang sila (topex, ayo, sino pa ba?)

[mathematicianrcg]

I watched in a YouTube video that Donjie Cornesio, the 6'7" Bohol vaccination teen, once idolized Steph, but he had to learn how to play inside due to his height. On the other hand, 6'8" Brix Verzosa is learning midrange stepbacks.

It's probably the system and culture, not the players.

It is fine imo. It sucks also if they do not know how to use their size advantage in a mismatch if there is one. (We dont want them to be Just Like Mick Pennisi. Lmao)

THE PROBLEM IS Local Coaches should not stop them from learning Perimeter Skills too, while teaching inside game.

Teach them all skills including both Guards Skills and Bigs Skills.

Better to be All Around Players. Rather than A One Dimensional Inside Player, or a 1 dimensional Perimeter player