Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[live_evil]

I think the definition of Senior in the current cadet is a player who is signed with the PBA and they can control.

[lurklurk]

Haven't heard Ken Tuffin's name in a while. Any news linking him and SBP lately?

[IPC]

So we go to the crux of the matter which is actually at the heart of our countrys underdevelopment. Everybody just wants their piece of the pie, whether its HS, college or the PBA. Everyone wants their team to be the best rather than whats good for the player or basketball state of the country. You have a Raven Cortez packing on muscles and blowing up his kneeo. You Carl packing up muscles early on and developing a seemingly chronic ankle ailment. You have players playing 6 years in college until they are 26. You have the best player of his generation packing extra weight and extra minutes therefore being pang PBA lang so his team can be the most dominant AFC team ever.

All the while, the players become pang pba lang. Everybody cries why our players are stout and slow and the Filfors fast, when everybody is telling their tallest player to pack on weight so the team can win.

Everybody cries out when our players become good enough to play for other leagues. Shamlessly lie that these players will not be released for the country when it is the local league and colleges that dont release their players.

All they have done is just for their local team, their local league, when promoting a bald lie that they are concerned for the country.

You have one of your executives saying it is better to go Filipino for the world cup, when he forced his untalented son to the world cup in exchange probably for sponsoring team. When apparently his son replaced Kobe Paras

Then when a foreigner shows amazing results, without using thr countrys so called best players, by developing the young players into internstional level. Everybody is quietly afraid because their own teams will lose out on the young players. They kick him out. Because it is better for our players to be slow and unskilled and our basketball bad, than their teams and leagues to lose out.

those “basketball leaders” doesn’t know what basketball program is.. even MVP himself

Yeah, which is really kinda sad. Will these guys realize that what's good for the country is good for our business as well?

[IPC]

Honestly, why do I get GarPax Bulls vibes or Kings vibes from this current SBP direction?

I hope I'm wrong, though.

[mathematicianrcg]

We are knocking our Basketball System.

But what are your suggestions? (Not that they will listen to us, pero malay nyo may nagbabasa dito. Lol)

Based on your comments:

1. Same System From Cadets to Seniors

2. Full Time National Team with few hugots

3. Longer Preparation

4. Limit Politics. (Highly doubt it though)

I wonder of other Asian Basketball Powerhouse suffer from politics too. I think they do too, but not as big as itvis in our country

[IPC]

Kai's only chance to score off Hannahs is when the latter throws an airball. Dech is another one. Both only passes to either left or right if ever they do.

Dech i can understand (begrudingly) as he is a wing player I believe. But Hannah's man, such a blackhole. Kai would definitely get more chances to score if he had a PG like Kiefer.

That's why I think it's crucial that Kiefer be included in the final 12 for the Asia Cup and the WC. He'll help the likes of Kai, Tamayo, Balti, and if ever, Kouame, get involved off PnR and PnP opportunities.

There have to be plays also for Tamayo and Balti to come off screens to shoot, and for Kai and Kouame to run to the rim.

[empyreanmaze]

I wonder of other Asian Basketball Powerhouse suffer from politics too. I think they do too, but not as big as itvis in our country

Of course they do, the upsides of countries where basketball isn't as popular like New Zealand(in contrast with rugby), Korea(in contrast with football and baseball), Japan(in contrast with their huge football team) etc is that it's not where the money is and thus the scenes there can grow organically without much external interference. I honestly think that other capitalistic countries(for emphasis since China has a unique set of problems when it comes to sports) in Asia like Japan can knock out western powerhouse teams if they put as much national weight into basketball as much as the Philippines does. The logistical and organizational side of any sector must be rid of corruption or incompetence for it to be competitive. Pinoy brand of basketball is on the same vein as Indonesian football and Middle Eastern armies: basketball crazy, football crazy and war crazy and all three are laughing stocks when put side by side with quality opponents. Tab has already shown we have the personnel needed to be competitive, he was training quite a few physically appropriate rookies for the game with each training camp even if they don't play in the final lineup there was still progress being made, the only thing missing was the unity and support to follow through with that structure but we know what happened, contrary to popular belief I think the problem extends beyond Chot and SBP, the story of Tab's Gilas program is a logical conclusion for poor countries like the Philippines, that's why pinoys are particularly nostalgic and likes to cling to past victories to cope(like literally no one else bothers to remember Gilas's 2014 world cup performance in the 2020s besides pinoy vloggers).

[paulrenzo]

Honestly, why do I get GarPax Bulls vibes or Kings vibes from this current SBP direction?

I hope I'm wrong, though.

IMO, you don't even have to look overseas; personally, I'm getting DLSU vibes (post Ayo and -maybe- pre-Derrick Pumaren)

[IPC]

IMO, you don't even have to look overseas; personally, I'm getting DLSU vibes (post Ayo and -maybe- pre-Derrick Pumaren)

As in, just stuck in mediocrity, not reaching the playoffs (or in FIBA's case, 2nd round)? That would be a massive disappointment. That can help us call for the SBP's heads.

Hope you're wrong, but won't be surprised if you ain't.

[DAdmiral]

The problem with the Philippines is not limited to basketball. It's a culture and society thing.. deeply rooted..

Just look at the performance of almost any industry or all sports or governance of programs. Even as simple as managing covid or just the usual crisis relief of annual typhoons or floods.
It's massive incompetent with issues deeply rooted in partisan self interest.

As.far as solutions it's none other than a permanent national basketball academy, similar to French INSEP etc . If needed to be integrated with a school like Ateneo for funding considerations so be it. . The academy has to be independent of any institution or league and has full rights to the cadets

remember Gintong Aly or something it's litterarally a live in permanent training academy ( 16 to 21 year old)

The focus is on developing talent , which were so bad at . Churning out zero NBA level talent in 50 years. It's not tapping current midocre talent from domestic leagues. If they settling to 0lay locally that's a sign already that they're not good

[live_evil]

We are knocking our Basketball System.

But what are your suggestions? (Not that they will listen to us, pero malay nyo may nagbabasa dito. Lol)

Based on your comments:

1. Same System From Cadets to Seniors

2. Full Time National Team with few hugots

3. Longer Preparation

4. Limit Politics. (Highly doubt it though)

I wonder of other Asian Basketball Powerhouse suffer from politics too. I think they do too, but not as big as itvis in our country

Hmmm, perhaps the Abu Sayyaf and the NPA can help solve our PBA problem. hahaha

[Sikatrix]

I think the answer has always been youth development and with less focus on the senior national team. Start with the high schools and the colleges and dont have players overstaying at lower levels just to keeps the oligarchs happy. Easier said then done of course since its the Philippines and the oligarchs get their way.

Once we develop top level talent and have players at an NBA, Euroleague or NBL level, the PBA will barely become an option but that starts with developing talent.

[PaVi]

We are knocking our Basketball System.

But what are your suggestions? (Not that they will listen to us, pero malay nyo may nagbabasa dito. Lol)

Based on your comments:

1. Same System From Cadets to Seniors

2. Full Time National Team with few hugots

3. Longer Preparation

4. Limit Politics. (Highly doubt it though)

I wonder of other Asian Basketball Powerhouse suffer from politics too. I think they do too, but not as big as itvis in our country

For me, #1 and #2 is the way to go.
As D'Admiral said, hugot system is common in other NTs as well, its just that they come from all over the world.
As to prep, just like other NTs, two weeks should be the minimum.
As to Politics, I think its high time that whoever handles SBP, should not have any participation in PBA, and there should be two automatic slots for pba players, as to pool, may be only 8 players will be chosen for any given time.
Exception - transitional rules - for the next decade this rule does not apply if pba player was selected through gilas special draft.

Just my humble opinion. What are your thoughts guys?


If I may add as well, U19 with some PBA ineligibles should now be the norm for the SEAG.
In Jones Cup, the norm should be the U23 NT/ cadets.

We should just let the ineligibles represent the Asian Games.

[IPC]

For me, #1 and #2 is the way to go.
As D'Admiral said, hugot system is common in other NTs as well, its just that they come from all over the world.

If I may add as well, U19 with some PBA ineligibles should now be the norm for the SEAG.
In Jones Cup, the norm should be the U23 NT/ cadets.

We should just let the ineligibles represent the Asian Games.

I think we can start with U19 players + ineligibles in the SEA Games next year. As for Jones Cup, agreed, it should be the young players.

But will Gilas have that same mindset?

[CoJ]

Honestly, why do I get GarPax Bulls vibes or Kings vibes from this current SBP direction?

I hope I'm wrong, though.

SBP feels like the Dolan owned NY Knicks, overspending for mediocrity, no long term direction and always assuming that they are built to win