Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[DAdmiral]

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I think there are no quick fixes to the weaknesses, in the short term (next window) we can as you cited however minimize teams exploiting those weakneses tactically. (coaching tactics)

I think however there is no other way of addressing it long term by either recruiting bigger and more athletic fil foreigners (make them eligible) and of course having a long term devlopment program addressing the length and motor weaknesses in our players

[Rds]

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I think there are no quick fixes to the weaknesses, in the short term (next window) we can as you cited however minimize teams exploiting those weakneses tactically. (coaching tactics)

I think however there is no other way of addressing it long term by either recruiting bigger and more athletic fil foreigners (make them eligible) and of course having a long term devlopment program addressing the length and motor weaknesses in our players

Recruitment of Filfors is ok at least for added athleticism. But I think in the long term maybe a simiar to the development program of Japan should be nice. I mean they have been able to put averagely athletic guys to internstional leagues and the NBA. I think if we can achieve the athletic potential of our kids through a scientific diet and trsining program that would be a big deal.

[zairex]

Still wondering where did scout get their number about rebounding or they just look our size and then decided we are weak rebounders.

[DAdmiral]

It is the general (not absolute) scout on Gilas by most and true enough it has worked.. it's not the size but the length to cover space at pace.
When one is horizontally challenge to cover space at speed then one has to make tradeoffs of over compensating by focus on interior at the expense of the perimeter. (This is manifested in the #of 3 pts made by opposing team on Gilas. , you will see it the stats )
If challenged in this area one needs to exert more energy to mitigate disadvantage and so consistency of rebounding and defense is harder to maintain.
It's basic realities of sports.. especially a sport like Basketball and American football where speed and length absolutely matter.
It's not height or even skill. but the quality of over all Basketball athletes we have. No secret Philippines is challenged in this area.

One illustration of this is Kouame , he's not skilled but he has length and motor.. 100 % Gilas.defense and rebounding goes down significantly if he is not on the court . This isn't rocket science.
Unfortunately we don't have many players of Koaume's attributes acceoss the front line . It does matter a lot

[zairex]

Well reposting IPC. The Asian games is limited to Asian teams where Asia is the worst rebounding continent. Note DR. SERBIA and Tunisia are not in Asia

Who says top asian teams are weak rebounders.

[DAdmiral]

Who says top asian teams are weak rebounders.

Almost Everyone does of course relative to world level.
Your free to disagree with consensus thoughts.
Put yourself in the rest of world shoes , when you face Korea and you have at your disposal productive frontline major Div 1 stars, what weakness would you logically exploit.
Note Korea does terrible in the Worlds or Olympics..
Just.take a closer.look at what world teams with good athletes exploit

[DAdmiral]

Speaking of length (Harris) there is a reason why we're prioritizing players with these attributes

Coach Chot appreciates the "high energy Caelum brings to his game, versatility, and athletic ability at 6'7"

Describe those attributes however you want , there.is no denying we are scarce in the area and the impact having players of these attributes has to our program. Not rocket science at all.

[mathematicianrcg]

Speaking of length (Harris) there is a reason why we're prioritizing players with these attributes

Coach Chot appreciates the "high energy Caelum brings to his game, versatility, and athletic ability at 6'7"

Describe those attributes however you want , there.is no denying we are scarce in the area and the impact having players of these attributes has to our program. Not rocket science at all.

Caelum will be a nice asset for Gilas if develop well.

He is not yet in any ranking if 247.com and rivals.com. But Kai wasn't too before he was visiting some college teams

[zairex]

Almost Everyone does of course relative to world level.
Your free to disagree with consensus thoughts.
Put yourself in the rest of world shoes , when you face Korea and you have at your disposal productive frontline major Div 1 stars, what weakness would you logically exploit.
Note Korea does terrible in the Worlds or Olympics..
Just.take a closer.look at what world teams with good athletes exploit

Almost Everyone?? Do you have a survey of almost everyone who knows basketball? I always base on facts my analysis. Korea in fact was 5th best rebounder in World Cup 2019. A similar mindset like you think about Top Asia teams like that because they don't check stats.

[DAdmiral]

Everyone?? Do you have a survey of everyone who knows basketball? I always base on facts my analysis. Korea in fact was 5th best rebounder in World Cup 2019. A similar mindset like you think about Top Asia teams like that because they don't check stats.

Speaking of facts. That was Tabs assessment when Chot asked him what was Gilas weakness reputation, answer rebounding. To which Chot responded he agreed . I'll take both their expert opinion as fact. Much more than a absolute total rebound average (a meaningless number in itself when not in context of what you give away). That's actually the best survey you can get on Gilas .

Terrible analysis (5th in World Cup in Reb LOL). The team was almost at bottom with a huge losing margin. When you.play with pace and take more shots like Korea and miss more shots cause low %. you get more rebounds as an absolute number , but how many rebounds are your giving up and if your crashing the board how many outside shots and transition points do you give up. Those are the real stats you should look at to disect activity. Defense and control of boards.

I'll give you some homework research why Korea does terrible in the world cup ,clue it's not shooting. It's not passing or assist . So what is it? And you will have your answer

Question what rank was team USA in world cup in total rebounds?

[IPC]

Almost Everyone?? Do you have a survey of almost everyone who knows basketball? I always base on facts my analysis. Korea in fact was 5th best rebounder in World Cup 2019. A similar mindset like you think about Top Asia teams like that because they don't check stats.

SoKor gave up high offensive rebound rates, though.

Argentina: 32.6%; SoKor 35.3%
Russia: 35.1%; SoKor 27.8%
Nigeria: 28.6%; SoKor 16%
China: 30.6%; SoKor 38%
Côte d'Ivoire: 40%; SoKor 27.6%

For the entire competition, they had a rebounding differential of -22, and had a total rebound rate of 47.4%. They were outrebounded for the most part.

[zairex]

Terrible analysis (5th in World Cup in Reb LOL). The team was almost at bottom with a huge losing margin. When you.play with pace and take more shots like Korea and miss more shots cause low %. you get more rebounds as an absolute number , but how many rebounds are your giving up and if your crashing the board how many outside shots and transition points do you give up. Those are the real stats you should look at to disect activity. Defense and control of boards.

I'll give you some homework research why Korea does terrible in the world cup ,clue it's not shooting. It's not passing or assist . So what is it? And you will have your answer

Question what rank was team USA in world cup in total rebounds?

Moving the goalpost again I see to fit your narrative. Now it's proven they can rebound. It's not automatic if you missed a lot of shoots you have more rebounds unless you're good at offensive rebounding which Korea is. Which is not a weakness of them. We are talking of rebounds not overall standing.

Again you don't check the stats. That's why you are misleading in your own analysis. Another thing look at the worst rebounding team you have 4 African nations in WC 2019, again your analysis is wrong to say Asia is the worst continent.

Do your own research and post it here.

[interxavierxxx]

Speaking of length (Harris) there is a reason why we're prioritizing players with these attributes

Coach Chot appreciates the "high energy Caelum brings to his game, versatility, and athletic ability at 6'7"

Describe those attributes however you want , there.is no denying we are scarce in the area and the impact having players of these attributes has to our program. Not rocket science at all.

It’s a question of when he can join the team. Does window 3 make sense?

What about Zavier Lucero? Is he eligible?

[Sikatrix]

It’s a question of when he can join the team. Does window 3 make sense?

What about Zavier Lucero? Is he eligible?

Nope he said a while back in a interview that he was yet to obtain a passport.

[zairex]

SoKor gave up high offensive rebound rates, though.

Argentina: 32.6%; SoKor 35.3%
Russia: 35.1%; SoKor 27.8%
Nigeria: 28.6%; SoKor 16%
China: 30.6%; SoKor 38%
Côte d'Ivoire: 40%; SoKor 27.6%

For the entire competition, they had a rebounding differential of -22, and had a total rebound rate of 47.4%. They were outrebounded for the most part.

So what is the ranking of Korea in that category. Only Nigeria game was big rebounding discrepancy of -16 the rest of the games they are only out rebounded by 6.

Rebound per 40 minutes is 5th best in the tournament