Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[barok espinoza]

I think people are missing the point on why I mentioned Dalph, it's not about comparison with homegrown players and if they're better . It's about the super scarcity of homegrown players making it in major leagues abroad (NBA , Euro , DiV1). I've always stressed that making it to major world leagues is the only real way to improve are basketball. And we really have to move away from an insular domestic centric mindset. If our kids aspirations are to be UAAP and then followed by being a PBA star . Seriously we will always be mediocre . As it's a different type of game and emphasis to be successful domestically as it it compared to the outside world .
The mindset is a microcosm of the Philippine mindset, if you notice most Pinoy companies are focused on rivalry competition among themselves, to dominate domestically. Rather than to make a name for themselves globally

This insular mindset is the root of the Gilas change in leadership, as really Philippine basketball stakeholders cannot accept change especially if it means their domestic industry kingdom is losing to global aspiration. Make no mistake about it , leaders of industry in the Philippines care more about keeping their domestic control ownership than making an impact globally. . Obvious naman in the way we do things all the way to politicians and businesses

to be fair, your question was phrased in a way that it doesn't clearly convey the information you are seeking.

and your notion that pinoy players making it to the major leagues as the only real way to improve PH basketball is just a general rule. of course, there are other ways which can be done locally. we could have retained tab and given him all the support and the players he wanted, for example.

as for the insular mindset of local businessmen and politicians, well, let's wait and see. the new public service act is set to be enacted into law. this law effectively opens up to 100 percent foreign equity on certain services in the country except the transmission and distribution of electricity, water pipeline and sewerage, seaports, petroleum pipeline, and public utility vehicles as they are still classified as public utility. this means that those that are not classified as a public utility shall otherwise be considered as a public service, which will not be bound by the 60-40% nationality requirement. Notably, telecommunications, air carriers, domestic shipping, and railways and subways are considered a public service under the proposed act.

let's see if the opening up of the economy brings forth an Air Asia or Telstra team in the PBA.

[ARMIR]

I also think he is not yet ready. For sure naman, I think he is better than Matt.

Maybe in 2027, after his US Ncaa Stint.

But I will still be ok if he will be invited into pool

In the U19,Dalph came in late and he didn't do too bad,and right now with a limited minutes he's clutch and very steady and he's playing against freakish athletic guys game in game out.

[mathematicianrcg]

In the U19,Dalph came in late and he didn't do too bad,and right now with a limited minutes he's clutch and very steady and he's playing against freakish athletic guys game in game out.

Yeah.Thats why I dont have a problem for him being included in the pool.

Though, I will still put Bolick and Kiefer higher than him in Gilas Guards Ladder.

[DAdmiral]

Just me , I really do not think Philippine basketball and society as a whole can improve significantly if we continue to do things as we always have . (That's the definition of madness).

The eco system of the basketball industry in the Philippines really has to change fundamentally for any significant improvement.
Forever it will be pa ulit ulit . Just like every election. We have false hope. But fundamentally the way we do things is flawed

[IPC]

With the absence of FIBA competition over the last 12 months, just following the progress of Kiwi players.
generally in terms of offensive or overall talent NZ is not a top 25 nation in the world (that's safe to say) .

However in terms of defensive players and the possibility of preparing team defense I honestly think New Zealand is a top 8 world defensive team.

Note that Australia is one of the best ( top 3 easily) defensive teams in the world , the Kiwi players playing in the Australian league ( NBL where defensive is played ) are known for their defense : Notably : Shea Ili ( many consider best defensive NBL PG) , Izayah LeAfa (starts for SEM and is their guard import defender) , Te- Rangi ( a top NBL wing defender) , Ngatai ( considered one of Cairns top wing defenders) , Abercrombie is NBL defensive player of the year , Harrison ( Brisbane's best center and defensive center) , Wetzell ( leads NBL bigs in steals and one of the best PNR defenders) . Put those 7 players around Tai Webster and Fotu ( who are good defenders as well) and you can see why the Tall Blacks potentially are a top 8 World defensive team.
Let's not talk about Adams ( who leads NBA in offensive rebounds, screen to pts etc) ,

NZ has always been known to prepare well for World tournaments, mainly because of it's relative access to it's core players being available to prepare for longer periods of time.

I think defense is the key to elevate a less talented team in the World's .. it is what can elevate a B level or second tier talented teams to top 10 .

And we were on the way to doing that with Tab. He was giving us our defensive identity already. In fact, he helped in our defense in the 2013 FIBA Asia Championship, and in the 2014 WC (where the highest FG% we allowed was 45%). Preparation helped too. But, we did allow really high percentages in our OQTs under Tab. The lowest FG% we allowed was I think 45%, against NZ. We still have a ways to go.

I only hope that the emphasis on defense is kept in these years after Tab.

[mathematicianrcg]

And we were on the way to doing that with Tab. He was giving us our defensive identity already. In fact, he helped in our defense in the 2013 FIBA Asia Championship, and in the 2014 WC (where the highest FG% we allowed was 45%). Preparation helped too. But, we did allow really high percentages in our OQTs under Tab. The lowest FG% we allowed was I think 45%, against NZ. We still have a ways to go.

I only hope that the emphasis on defense is kept in these years after Tab.

Only Coach Jong is the common denominator.

So, that will depend on how much influence coach tab did to coach jong.

Though Coach Nenad may be a good defensive coach as well. But looks like he is an x and o coach

[DAdmiral]

And we were on the way to doing that with Tab. He was giving us our defensive identity already. In fact, he helped in our defense in the 2013 FIBA Asia Championship, and in the 2014 WC (where the highest FG% we allowed was 45%). Preparation helped too. But, we did allow really high percentages in our OQTs under Tab. The lowest FG% we allowed was I think 45%, against NZ. We still have a ways to go.

I only hope that the emphasis on defense is kept in these years after Tab.

While obviously defense is the key to equalize vs opposing superior talent, I do not think the Philippines has at its disposal quality defenders especially at the wing and forward spots ..
The scouting report when ever teams face the Philippines is that they're weak rebounding team and activity motor from frontline is lacking.. the Philippines frontline players are generally slow defensively

[IPC]

Only Coach Jong is the common denominator.

So, that will depend on how much influence coach tab did to coach jong.

Though Coach Nenad may be a good defensive coach as well. But looks like he is an x and o coach

Defense may also be included in X's and O's. Kasi, you have schemes and all that.

[mathematicianrcg]

While obviously defense is the key to equalize vs opposing superior talent, I do not think the Philippines has at its disposal quality defenders especially at the wing spots ..
The scouting report when ever teams face the Philippines is that they're weak rebounding team and activity motor from frontline is lacking.. the Philippines frontline players are generally slow defensively

So weakness scouting report for Philippines are:

Soft and Slow Frontline
Small and bad defender Wings

???????

As for curiosity, i wonder what are the strengths scouting report in contrary.

I am guessing the quality of our guards.

But these are all in the past though.

With some emergence of Bigs (like kai and AJ) and Combo Forwards (Like Baltazar and Tamayo). I think they will respect our bigs more .

[DAdmiral]

Strengths are guard play
And
Our normally dominant naturalized big.

That is why Norwood and Pingris as mobile athletic defenders from the forward spots is really a rarity and unusual.

Tamayo as a defensive big is a stretch..while Baltazar defending wings is also too much.

Kai while a rim protector is not a good defender
AJ hasn't really played

Of course Kouame is a quality defender

[IPC]

While obviously defense is the key to equalize vs opposing superior talent, I do not think the Philippines has at its disposal quality defenders especially at the wing and forward spots ..
The scouting report when ever teams face the Philippines is that they're weak rebounding team and activity motor from frontline is lacking.. the Philippines frontline players are generally slow defensively

Strengths are guard play
And
Our normally dominant naturalized big.

That is why Norwood and Pingris as mobile athletic defenders from the forward spots is really a rarity and unusual.

Tamayo as a defensive big is a stretch..while Baltazar defending wings is also too much.

Kai while a rim protector is not a good defender
AJ hasn't really played

Of course Kouame is a quality defender

So how do you propose improving the defense and our chances of producing quality defenders?

[DAdmiral]

So how do you propose improving the defense and our chances of producing quality defenders?

There are 2 aspects which Tab was working on
1. Is developing long wings ( reason guys like lebron Lopez, Navarro, Baltizar are developed as wings, but this of course takes time and reps) . It is a significant disadvantage if their regular league competition ( UAAP etc ) they're are not exposed regularly and not used to defend constantly wings ( chase defenders in the perimeter or fight over screens)

2. Is of course defensive team schemes, where length is really used in the perimeter. It is indeed a problem if Chot say's he will continue to use 6'2 Small forwards, while it may work in the short terms as they are used to defending the perimeter , this has no long term foresight

You will remember Tab chose Ryan Reyes a big guard and Parks for the OQT. he knew he needed an abundance of perimter players with length

The Tall Blacks scouting report knew .. Norwood was their only real perimeter defender with length. and as expected he guarded NZ top wing scorer Corey Webster, but what happens with 6' 7 athletic Abercombrie and 6' 4 PG Tai webster who defends them. Tab in the end to keep scoring decent has to go with main scorers Castro and Chan, but downside is they had to defend Tai and Abercombrie respoectively which was suicide.
same with going big with Junmar and blatche, which is super slow in both transition and rotations , very easy to exploit

[IPC]

While obviously defense is the key to equalize vs opposing superior talent, I do not think the Philippines has at its disposal quality defenders especially at the wing spots ..
The scouting report when ever teams face the Philippines is that they're weak rebounding team and activity motor from frontline is lacking.. the Philippines frontline players are generally slow defensively

The rebounding could be an issue, actually.

In the second game against SoKor, we gave up an offensive rebounding percentage of 38.8%. That's too high, although we did get a ORB% of 39% in that game. For me, a high offensive rebound percentage is around the 28% mark.

In the OQT, we gave up 29% against Serbia, while we gave up 34% against the Dominican Republic.

In the King's Cup, we gave up a whopping 46% offensive rebounding percentage in the first game against Jordan, while we only grabbed 26% of available offensive rebounds. The first game against Tunisia, we gave up a 36% offensive rebounding percentage, while we grabbed 33%. Role reversal in the second game, where we gave up 33% while we grabbed 35%.

We're giving up too many offensive rebounds. Even this new iteration. We force low FG percentages, but we can't complete stops with the board.

[IPC]

There are 2 aspects which Tab was working on
1. Is developing long wings ( reason guys like lebron Lopez, Navarro, Baltizar are developed as wings, but this of course takes time and reps) . It is a significant disadvantage if their regular league competition ( UAAP etc ) they're are not exposed regularly and not used to defend constantly wings ( chase defenders in the perimeter or fight over screens)

2. Is of course defensive team schemes, where length is really used in the perimeter. It is indeed a problem if Chot say's he will continue to use 6'2 Small forwards, while it may work in the short terms as they are used to defending the perimeter , this has no long term foresight

You will remember Tab chose Ryan Reyes a big guard and Parks for the OQT. he knew he needed an abundance of perimter players with length

The Tall Blacks scouting report knew .. Norwood was their only real perimeter defender with length. and as expected he guarded NZ top wing scorer Corey Webster, but what happens with 6' 7 athletic Abercombrie and 6' 4 PG Tai webster who defends them. Tab in the end to keep scoring decent has to go with main scorers Castro and Chan, but downside is they had to defend Tai and Abercombrie respoectively which was suicide.
same with going big with Junmar and blatche, which is super slow in both transition and rotations , very easy to exploit

Yeah, the UAAP, NCAA, and PBA don't really favor long and tall wings at 3 that much, especially considering that they aren't developed to be scorers. Instead, these taller wings are stuck at the 4, where they have to defend bigs, sometimes heftier wings.

This is actually one of my frustrations with replacing Tab with Chot. There might be a return to combo guard-sized SFs, and Tab is developing tall agile players to be wings. What happens to our wing spot now, and how will we keep the pipeline of tall wings going?

[DAdmiral]

To me Dwight , Thirdy, Parks (hopefully he joins ) , Clarkson and maybe Tuffin or Adams are the only options.. at 2/3

no choice ... to late and we have to use players who are actually getting the reps as a wing in the last 2 years . converting them now to be ready for 2023 is silly