Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[interxavierxxx]

Matt Nieto is at least 5'11, and Mike is at least an inch taller. Dave is definitely taller than Mike.

Therefore, Dave is no way just 6'

Mike is 6’1 tops. I saw him play in the UAE and he was barely taller than my brother who is 5’11.

[Rds]

I did notice that June Mar played well and got touches in the first Australia game. Yeah, Kiefer was feeding him the ball in the PnR, and he got opportunities in the post. He was scoring well. Couldn't watch Japan or Chinese Taipei much, though.

Well, that was another aspect on why June Mar didn't get as many opportunities. He played with scoring guards. With Kiefer, he was getting the ball. Kiefer by this point had developed from a scoring-oriented guard to someone who can make plays for others, and he showed it especially working with June Mar.

Post Tab, JF did well offensively but worst defensively. Remember that game against Ukraine? If Tab continued, JF would probably be required to keep the OQT weight. He would have been a better defender as a result and possibly avoided breaking his shin.

[IPC]

Post Tab, JF did well offensively but worst defensively. Remember that game against Ukraine? If Tab continued, JF would probably be required to keep the OQT weight. He would have been a better defender as a result and possibly avoided breaking his shin.

I think that was Kazakhstan, but yeah, I remember. We could do jack against Zhigulin. We can't send defenders at him, holy crap.

Yeah, even if June Mar wanted to eat a lot of rice, he could have still worked to condition himself back in tiptop shape for FIBA tournaments. Well, at least he got opportunities later on.

[thatweirdguy]

I think that was Kazakhstan, but yeah, I remember. We could do jack against Zhigulin. We can't send defenders at him, holy crap.

Yeah, even if June Mar wanted to eat a lot of rice, he could have still worked to condition himself back in tiptop shape for FIBA tournaments. Well, at least he got opportunities later on.

Those little things like proper diet and conditioning could have made a lot of difference. JF could have had a great career internationally but he didn't have the focus and commitment of a great player.

[CoJ]

Those little things like proper diet and conditioning could have made a lot of difference. JF could have had a great career internationally but he didn't have the focus and commitment of a great player.

wasn't this one of the reasons why Mark Dickel was let go by TNT? sabagay upon simple eye test most of our players are not in tip-top shape

[thatweirdguy]

wasn't this one of the reasons why Mark Dickel was let go by TNT? sabagay upon simple eye test most of our players are not in tip-top shape

Probably because they could get away playing out of shape in the PBA? It didn't matter that JF, Lee, Belga etc couldn't run up and down the floor or be bothered to defend because they held a lot of advantages physically (malapad, just like how Cardel wants em) and teams weren't able to exploit their weaknesses.

[interxavierxxx]

Those little things like proper diet and conditioning could have made a lot of difference. JF could have had a great career internationally but he didn't have the focus and commitment of a great player.

Based on the documentaries, they seem to eat typical Filipino food.

I don't hate Filipino food but I wouldn't have too much of it if I was a professional athlete. Too fatty.

[Rds]

I think that was Kazakhstan, but yeah, I remember. We could do jack against Zhigulin. We can't send defenders at him, holy crap.

Yeah, even if June Mar wanted to eat a lot of rice, he could have still worked to condition himself back in tiptop shape for FIBA tournaments. Well, at least he got opportunities later on.

I know many of you say that it was JF's personal choice to be heavy in the PBA. But take note of his role in SMB. He was supposed to be an immovable force in the middle. That is how they got their championships. I don't think it was his personal choice. He had to do it in order to win in the PBA. Or at least to win in Coach Leo's unimaginative system. But if Tab was there he would be forced to lose it all come the Fiba tournaments. I disagree that JF lacked the weight discipline. If it was required of him, like what Tab did, he could lose weight. Now Leo has no choice but to allow him to lose weight because of his broken shin. But look at how SMB is struggling with JMF not as immovable in the middle. So no I don't think it was because of lack of discipline that JF was heavy in the PBA. Of course in interviews he would say he missed rice. Would you expect him to say outright that it was because he needed to be heavy in the PBA? The 5 straight AFC championships speak for themselves.

[NOiNU]

Probably because they could get away playing out of shape in the PBA? It didn't matter that JF, Lee, Belga etc couldn't run up and down the floor or be bothered to defend because they held a lot of advantages physically (malapad, just like how Cardel wants em) and teams weren't able to exploit their weaknesses.

True. I mean, the likes of Toto Jose, Rodney Brondial and Prince Caperal to name a few, is far from being in tip top shape. They probably opted to have that excess baggage to be able to withstand the banging and hold their ground when posted up.

[IPC]

https://tiebreakertimes.com.ph/tbt/c...-window/231171

Is this an omen? Looks like the PBA is influencing if not taking over Gilas with this development. It seems they want to ensure that the PBA will be the centerpiece of the 2023 WC team and not players from other international leagues

So sad, because even if you find the talent looks they will be deprioritized in favor of the PBA

well, we called it last year. if the Tab's Gilas' Core Four ( Ange, Kai, Balti and Ramos) + JC is at the forefront of the NT and the not the PBA boys during the World Cup, it will not be a pretty pic for the supposed World's oldest pro league outside of the NBA

Why do they want to be the centerpiece? We'll need some of their players anyway. They'll still be represented.

And honestly, after that bullshit in 2019, where the PBA gave Gilas a prep time of ONLY 10 DAYS, they don't deserve to be the centerpiece.

Pero kung WC lang naman, please, have the vets just for main events like the WC, Asian Games, and Asia Cup. Still, even then, we need to infuse that roster with younger players from the amateur ranks. And all leagues should give the players they lend at least 1-2 months of training before these events.

But for the WC windows, we need as minimal PBA support as possible, except for the younger players like Oftana (right now he's injured), Arvin, probably Mocon. The rest should come from the college or HS ranks, or the international leagues. We need to be thinking about being competitive beyond 2023. Get a younger, deeper pool.

[ja.he]

Pero kung WC lang naman, please, have the vets just for main events like the WC, Asian Games, and Asia Cup. Still, even then, we need to infuse that roster with younger players from the amateur ranks. And all leagues should give the players they lend at least 1-2 months of training before these events.

But for the WC windows, we need as minimal PBA support as possible, except for the younger players like Oftana (right now he's injured), Arvin, probably Mocon. The rest should come from the college or HS ranks, or the international leagues. We need to be thinking about being competitive beyond 2023. Get a younger, deeper pool.

Atleast half of Gilas team for the World Cup should come from overseas.

Dwight - B.League
Parks - B.League
Kiefer - B.League
Thirdy - B.League
Kai - NBL AUS
Heading - T1 League
Tuffin - NBL NZ
Clarkson - NBA (if possible)

the rest will come from the Philippines.

Kouame - UAAP
Baltazar - UAAP
Tamayo - UAAP
Navarro/Erram - PBA

[barok espinoza]

Based on the documentaries, they seem to eat typical Filipino food.

I don't hate Filipino food but I wouldn't have too much of it if I was a professional athlete. Too fatty.

it has worked wonders for pacquiao, though.

[barok espinoza]

Atleast half of Gilas team for the World Cup should come from overseas.

Dwight - B.League
Parks - B.League
Kiefer - B.League
Thirdy - B.League
Kai - NBL AUS
Heading - T1 League
Tuffin - NBL NZ
Clarkson - NBA (if possible)

the rest will come from the Philippines.

Kouame - UAAP
Baltazar - UAAP
Tamayo - UAAP
Navarro/Erram - PBA

I wouldn't be surprised if the PBA will insist on inserting at least 5 of their players in the final 12 next year when the WC is just a few months away. It's in their best interest to stay relevant.

[Rodbi]

it has worked wonders for pacquiao, though.

But Pacquiao was a gym rat and a very driven boxer back then.

[Rodbi]

I wouldn't be surprised if the PBA will insist on inserting at least 5 of their players in the final 12 next year when the WC is just a few months away. It's in their best interest to stay relevant.

Up to now I still can't believe that our NT is back to this, being so disorganized. I just hope that whatever team SBP/PBA can come up with in 2023 would be able perform better or at least on par with the 2014 WC squad's performance.