Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[Bonifacio]

Honest Question about a National Team.

How many percentage will you credit(In Success) or blame(In failures) Players and Coaches ?

For the sake of argument, let's assume all of our best players are available in a big tournament.

Personally, I will go

Players: 65%

Coaches: 35%

Yes, I believe Players are still the one playing in the court. The outcomes will mostly rely in their talents and ON COURT decision making.

I gave Coaches 35% because ofc the x and o, game plan, timeouts, and rotation pattern.

But to be fair sometimes coaches are being underappreciated.

Usually when a team won (Most People say it is because Players are talented). And if a team lost or underachieve ( Most People will say because of the coach)

But I still believe Players are still the biggest factor in winning. Not saying coaching doesnt matter.

As I said, for me, it is:

Players: 65%, Coaches: 35%

I still believe that PREPARATION beats PLAYERS.

I will go with a fully prepared amateur .players than top PBA players assembled just a couple of weeks before the game

[PaulLee3]

[paulrenzo]

lol The SMC group is basically the Lakers of the Philippines. No to development. Yes to quick results.

As a Lakers fan, this a painful truth, and it hurts. A lot.

[C2Hamm]

As a Lakers fan, this a painful truth, and it hurts. A lot.

Lakers had a plan to develop younger players. but Lebron.

im on a wait and see mode with Gilas. this coming window would be painful to watch since there is little prep time and new coach. i have 0 expectations in terms of game result. i just want to see how the holders from CTB adjust to Coach Chot's system or whatever he can come with on a short period of time. TNT players should look comfortable on the court.

[reamily]

Teams like the Lakers, cant build young guys because of the pressure of the fans. See Randle, Ingram Lonzo kuz, caruso, Clarkson and company become serviceable, sixth man awardees and even all star players...Thats why they cant do a memphis or phoenix, imagine scrutiny Morant got with the laker fans when he had that so called "sophomore bump" last season

[mathematicianrcg]

I mean why will the lakers rebuild.

If they can LITERALLY recruit a top 10 All Time Player each decade. (Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Kobe, Shaq, Lebron, etc). hehe

and yes. the expectations

[yogaflame]

I don't like Coach Tab stepping down and the politics in SBP. In a perfect world, if its Coach Tab up to Fiba Asia cup and WC2023, we surely in good hands. But in fairness , I saw some replays of Coach Chot game last Philippine cup and Governors cup and it seems there is less dribble drive and more of motion offense and I even see some pnr, ball screen and swing offense which Coach Tab employs to Gilas. Looks like he is really watching Coach Tab's handling of a team and he is changing his style and system into more versatile system like Coach Tab and not a very predictable DDO and small ball. But we shall see, Coach Chot has a tendency in the past to panic and when he panics , he always rely on small ball.

[C2Hamm]

Teams like the Lakers, cant build young guys because of the pressure of the fans. See Randle, Ingram Lonzo kuz, caruso, Clarkson and company become serviceable, sixth man awardees and even all star players...Thats why they cant do a memphis or phoenix, imagine scrutiny Morant got with the laker fans when he had that so called "sophomore bump" last season

this discussion should be in NBA section already but to close it out, Lakers did that prior to LBJ. and they actually had some young players, that you already mentioned, who helped with the championship. Brodie was a bad move because they are now left with only THT. however, if a deal to get a better player, an all star at that (AD and Brodie), its up to FO to decide if they should pull the trigger or not. the fans can affect the FO, i will agree with that. Phoenix sucks at player development prior to James Jones taking over. after the 7SOL team only Book and Ayton can be considered good drafts. all the top 10 picks we got are either bench players or not in the league anymore. Phx cant trade for a win now player prior to signing Oubre and Rubio because they simply do not have players that other teams would like outside of Book and Ayton. same with Memphis prior to this season, outside of Ja who will you get? an often injured JJJ? Lakers had assets. and now they dont outside of THT and a 1st round pick sometime in the future. essentially i agree with rcg above, Lakers are in the position to develop young players then flip them for better talent. na-Brodie lng tlaga. Phx and Mem were not in that position below.

btw - Kobe and Magic were drafted. Hornets sent Kobe draft night so technically drafted pa din.

going back to Gilas, i was and will be on the side of Gilas players shouldnt be in the PBA. and once we release them to the pro league, thank you and wala na balikan. not gonna happen now. so, good luck nlng

[Rds]

Who is the guy to the left of Navarro?

[IPC]

Who is the guy to the left of Navarro?

I think that's Rangel.

[zairex]

I don't like Coach Tab stepping down and the politics in SBP. In a perfect world, if its Coach Tab up to Fiba Asia cup and WC2023, we surely in good hands. But in fairness , I saw some replays of Coach Chot game last Philippine cup and Governors cup and it seems there is less dribble drive and more of motion offense and I even see some pnr, ball screen and swing offense which Coach Tab employs to Gilas. Looks like he is really watching Coach Tab's handling of a team and he is changing his style and system into more versatile system like Coach Tab and not a very predictable DDO and small ball. But we shall see, Coach Chot has a tendency in the past to panic and when he panics , he always rely on small ball.

If you watch this video you will realized that Coach Chot implement several plays and not just straight out DDO.

[mathematicianrcg]

If you watch this video you will realized that Coach Chot implement several plays and not just straight out DDO.

I expect Coach Chot DDO and Coach Nenad Vucinic European style will be combined especially in the future matches.

I notice in some coach chot interviews that Coach Nenad is working with the Gilas players in the background.

As for Coach Chot, Yes, recently, his ddo have some variations of motion plays now.

[noyce]

i'm beginning to think that MVP supported the Vargas-led upheaval in Gilas is due to the contracts signed by Troy and Pogoy, wherein there is an external contract outside the PBA games, which would mean Gilas games. they're blaming B.League as well, which includes the perceived connection to Dickel, and thus Tab, because TNT had to match the contract offers they received from B.League teams. just a hunch on how the Vargas-MVP vs Tab transpired. the insiders on the board should know.

[noyce]

If you watch this video you will realized that Coach Chot implement several plays and not just straight out DDO.

the issue with Chot is not the X's and O's. it's the system best described as the Romeo effect wherein if Romeo does not hold the ball, what does he do to contribute and still be a "threat"? how can we use glorified NBA sets when we are not as athletic as Team USA? that's why IBN had been clamoring for a Euro approach since the time of Toroman, and in essence Tab. can Chot finally adopt a holistic system (i.e.. Euro) approach going away from an NBA approach ?

[Stevy]

PSA Forum with Gilas (Coach Chot, SBP Executive Director Sonny Barrios)

https://www.facebook.com/PhilippineSportswritersAssociation/videos/913105312699697/?extid=CL-UNK-UNK-UNK-AN_GK0T-GK1C