Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[Stevy]

7-8 years later, and everything has come full circle again.

[mathematicianrcg]

7-8 years later, and everything has come full circle again.

Lmao.

That video shows that Chino hates Chot and hos DDO.
Hehe.

He mentioned there that "It always goes back to individualistic play"

[kukikups]

Honest Question about a National Team.

How many percentage will you credit(In Success) or blame(In failures) Players and Coaches ?

For the sake of argument, let's assume all of our best players are available in a big tournament.

Personally, I will go

Players: 65%

Coaches: 35%

Yes, I believe Players are still the one playing in the court. The outcomes will mostly rely in their talents and ON COURT decision making.

I gave Coaches 35% because ofc the x and o, game plan, timeouts, and rotation pattern.

But to be fair sometimes coaches are being underappreciated.

Usually when a team won (Most People say it is because Players are talented). And if a team lost or underachieve ( Most People will say because of the coach)

But I still believe Players are still the biggest factor in winning. Not saying coaching doesnt matter.

As I said, for me, it is:

Players: 65%, Coaches: 35%

You forgot to account for the external factor - the NSA (sbp in this case). How the SBP pushes for support plays a factor on the team's performance. Just see how much variance in preparation the various national teams get throughout the past years shows how inconsistent SBP is in its efforts.

[bluenote49]

7-8 years later, and everything has come full circle again.

Starting @12:11 I fully believed the same happened with coach TAB! And if you guys are mad at for stating a fact sue me!

[thatweirdguy]

Lmao.

That video shows that Chino hates Chot and hos DDO.
Hehe.

He mentioned there that "It always goes back to individualistic play"

Well it's true. If all else fails Chot safe play is just give the ball to Castro and get everyone out of his way.

[bluenote49]

Any idea where we can watch this.

[C2Hamm]

Honest Question about a National Team.

How many percentage will you credit(In Success) or blame(In failures) Players and Coaches ?

For the sake of argument, let's assume all of our best players are available in a big tournament.

Personally, I will go

Players: 65%

Coaches: 35%

Yes, I believe Players are still the one playing in the court. The outcomes will mostly rely in their talents and ON COURT decision making.

I gave Coaches 35% because ofc the x and o, game plan, timeouts, and rotation pattern.

But to be fair sometimes coaches are being underappreciated.

Usually when a team won (Most People say it is because Players are talented). And if a team lost or underachieve ( Most People will say because of the coach)

But I still believe Players are still the biggest factor in winning. Not saying coaching doesnt matter.

As I said, for me, it is:

Players: 65%, Coaches: 35%

thats going to be hard. you can only assess after each game. if coach made bad adjustment, why blame players? if players just gave up midgame, sure some blame goes to coach but why would he bare the bulk of it? need to know what happened. that said, i dont like blaming if you see everyone doing their part and opponent is just better or the breaks of the game didnt favoured them.

[mathematicianrcg]

thats going to be hard. you can only assess after each game. if coach made bad adjustment, why blame players? if players just gave up midgame, sure some blame goes to coach but why would he bare the bulk of it? need to know what happened. that said, i dont like blaming if you see everyone doing their part and opponent is just better or the breaks of the game didnt favoured them.

Agreed.

Perfect example is Coach Chot and Coach Tab.

Gilas 2 was successful. But really iirc. Players received more credit than Coach Chot.

2021 Gilas (who defeated Korea twice). Coach Tab received more credit. (Even here in Ibn)

But I agree. There should be a middle ground.

Though, I wil still say Players Talent and Decision Making are the most important in winning.

[Rds]

My question, though, is whether they can focus on player development the way Tab's Gilas did. Would the SMC group be willing to invest in expanding player skillsets, making them learn smaller positions, the way Tab did with Tamayo, Baltazar, Ildefonso, and Suerte?

I dont think so. I dont think Ramon Ang has much of a presence in college. Even their NCC before didnt seem to be a program to me. It was a youth team. But there was no continuous pipeline of young players coming in. And it didnt seem to me they were being prepared for their international positions than they were for the PBA. In fairness, to me it was Tab who started using college players seriously. Chots 23 for 23 was more for marketing IMO. Hello no Baltazar. Tab just got the best college players he thought he could develop and announced to the world he will be training them for their internationally competitive position. If it were Chot he would still be reliant on TNT and we might not have seen the development of our cadets.

[Rds]

Agreed.

Perfect example is Coach Chot and Coach Tab.

Gilas 2 was successful. But really iirc. Players received more credit than Coach Chot.

2021 Gilas (who defeated Korea twice). Coach Tab received more credit. (Even here in Ibn)

But I agree. There should be a middle ground.

Though, I wil still say Players Talent and Decision Making are the most important in winning.

I give Tab credit for actually creating a development program. Snow was complaining that the reason Chot was forced to play small ball was the lack of big players. But you have to credit Tab for focusing on developing players for small positions. I guess we have a tendency of relegating rim protection to our naturalized player and allowing oir home growns to be small across the board. This was the same for Toromans and Chots Gilas. Tab looked for big players where he could. Even picking Intal from nowhere to play the big wing position. So you can see there a difference in bias in team composition. Where Chot is comfortable with a small 3 or 4. Tab favors a big 3 and 4. Chot is weak against teams with big SFs like Bahrami and Iran. Since he has 2 small PGs he has to let Norwood guard Kahmrani. But Ping needs to cover Bahrami as an SF. So he has a small lineup of 2 PGs, Norwood, Ping and Douthit vs Iran. With Kahmrani, SG, Barami, PF and Haddadi.

Toroman was fairly successful with a bigger PG in Tiu. Which Tab actually supersizes by playing either Ramos, Idelfonso, Suerte or Tungcab as PG.

[IPC]

I dont think so. I dont think Ramon Ang has much of a presence in college. Even their NCC before didnt seem to be a program to me. It was a youth team. But there was no continuous pipeline of young players coming in. And it didnt seem to me they were being prepared for their international positions than they were for the PBA. In fairness, to me it was Tab who started using college players seriously. Chots 23 for 23 was more for marketing IMO. Hello no Baltazar. Tab just got the best college players he thought he could develop and announced to the world he will be training them for their internationally competitive position. If it were Chot he would still be reliant on TNT and we might not have seen the development of our cadets.

I give Tab credit for actually creating a development program. Snow was complaining that the reason Chot was forced to play small ball was the lack of big players. But you have to credit Tab for focusing on developing players for small positions. I guess we have a tendency of relegating rim protection to our naturalized player and allowing oir home growns to be small across the board. This was the same for Toromans and Chots Gilas. Tab looked for big players where he could. Even picking Intal from nowhere to play the big wing position. So you can see there a difference in bias in team composition. Where Chot is comfortable with a small 3 or 4. Tab favors a big 3 and 4. Chot is weak against teams with big SFs like Bahrami and Iran. Since he has 2 small PGs he has to let Norwood guard Kahmrani. But Ping needs to cover Bahrami as an SF. So he has a small lineup of 2 PGs, Norwood, Ping and Douthit vs Iran. With Kahmrani, SG, Barami, PF and Haddadi.

Toroman was fairly successful with a bigger PG in Tiu. Which Tab actually supersizes by playing either Ramos, Idelfonso, Suerte or Tungcab as PG.

This is the key thing, the continous pipeline of young players, and preparing them for the international positions. The international scene is different from the PBA. We'll need taller, longer, and/or switchable players who can rotate defensively.

The thing with Tab is that he really selected taller players from the collegiate scene that can make a difference internationally. We had Dwight, Navarro, Oftana, Baltazar, and Tamayo. All are players 6'4" and up that can guard the wing and can switch on different positions. This is a credit to Tab's vision on development.

Right now, the closest to Tab's vision I can think of is Ateneo HS and Goldwin Monteverde, and maybe Beda. Ateneo HS had Lebron Lopez and Josh Lazaro as the 4 and 5, but both are capable of playing the wing. Monteverde in NSNU developed Tamayo and Kevin Quiambao to prepare to become SFs (hope he can do the same with Bismarck Lina and Miguel Tan in UP). Beda used a system to prepare 6'5" Justin Sanchez and 6'4" Rhayyan Amsali to play the wing.

[rzr_390]

Any idea where we can watch this.

It looks like he's still editing the video. In the last comment, he replies that "inaayos pa...". Sorry I can't seem to upload a screenshot.

This will be very interesting!

[IPC]

Well it's true. If all else fails Chot safe play is just give the ball to Castro and get everyone out of his way.

To be fair, individual play really is a failsafe when play breaks down. However it should be used only either as a failsafe in the dying seconds of the shot clock or to milk a mismatch. Otherwise, try to look for open players.

[mathematicianrcg]

Coach Chot really used to be exposed in media. Hehe.

But anyway, at least we know who will be our pool. The TNT and the 5 Cadets (Ange, Dwight, Navarro, Juan, Tungcab)

I hope we see some european mix in his ddo.

Looks like Coach Nenad have some jobs in x and o and plays

[cocoyg]

Chot Reyes really loves the limelight. Eversince he took over Gilas, every day there are several articles about him and Gilas.