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  • Originally posted by paolylo View Post
    Sana there was a pipeline for them African FSA's to play in the PBA as locals the way corporations hire foreigners on local terms (tapos may kaltas sila sa PAGIBIG at Phil Health haha).
    this, just copy the homegrown system of football wherein if someone had developed their basketball skills here before becoming 21, theyre eligible as locals. PBA says theyre bleeding talent, why not just open the doors to more folks.

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    • Originally posted by zairex View Post

      KBL not producing good center? I can tell you that KBL centers better than B.League, Oh, Choi to name a few.

      The rest of the leagues are just up and coming.

      Also include China if that is your categorization. They do produce better center than Japan.
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      Do you mean Choi Junyong? He plays point forward. If you look at all of his stints, both in KBL and in Korea NT, he was slotted from 1 and 3 positions and that's the reason why their 3-2 zone is effective - it was because of him being the tall guard.
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      • Originally posted by zairex View Post
        KBL not producing good center? I can tell you that KBL centers better than B.League, Oh, Choi to name a few.

        The rest of the leagues are just up and coming.

        Also include China if that is your categorization. They do produce better center than Japan.
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        Originally posted by ja.he View Post
        Do you mean Choi Junyong? He plays point forward. If you look at all of his stints, both in KBL and in Korea NT, he was slotted from 1 and 3 positions and that's the reason why their 3-2 zone is effective - it was because of him being the tall guard.
        Oh Se-keun, Ha Yungi, Kim Jong-kyu, Lee Won-seok, that's pretty much it for their starting-caliber centers. But yeah, that's kinda still more than Japan.

        We don't really count Choi, because he's more of a guard than a big.

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        • Originally posted by ja.he View Post
          Finally, a PBA team got a win.
          I believed that MERALCO would be better-equipped than TNT to win in the EASL. I thought MERALCO proved me wrong when they got blown out by Ryukyu in Okinawa. At almost full strength, they kept it close against New Taipei, and then beat Ryukyu, albeit after Vic Law got tired. Credit to them, a. Let's see them compete against SK in the 27th.

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          • Originally posted by IPC View Post

            I believed that MERALCO would be better-equipped than TNT to win in the EASL. I thought MERALCO proved me wrong when they got blown out by Ryukyu in Okinawa. At almost full strength, they kept it close against New Taipei, and then beat Ryukyu, albeit after Vic Law got tired. Credit to them, a. Let's see them compete against SK in the 27th.
            They gotta win all their remaining preliminary round games first, though last night's was really impressive and with a bit of luck na rin. That's the breakthrough EASL win in the current format that PBA sorely needs. I hope Meralco somehow carries the winning momentum moving forward.

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            • Originally posted by Joe Yabuki View Post

              this, just copy the homegrown system of football wherein if someone had developed their basketball skills here before becoming 21, theyre eligible as locals. PBA says theyre bleeding talent, why not just open the doors to more folks.
              I like this idea, too. However, a lot needs to be ironed out first between PBA and those organizers within the juniors or the U-19 level. It would be more impactful if such practice with FSAs begins during the low teen years of foreign prospects.

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              • Originally posted by Rodbi View Post

                I like this idea, too. However, a lot needs to be ironed out first between PBA and those organizers within the juniors or the U-19 level. It would be more impactful if such practice with FSAs begins during the low teen years of foreign prospects.
                FSA's playing in the PBA is a no for me, if the PBA is bleeding for talent why not just get the usual imports (US) who are like 10x better than FSAs? Also, Most FSAs and their fellow countrymen (Nigerians, Senegalese,etc.) have offers abroad (NBA, Europe) due to their size and athleticism something that most Filipino players lack, Filipinos on the other hand are always stuck in the PBA or recently just in Asia since it's the only league where they could play or get recruited. Filipinos need to "eat" too, you know!?

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                • Originally posted by KoolAid View Post

                  FSA's playing in the PBA is a no for me, if the PBA is bleeding for talent why not just get the usual imports (US) who are like 10x better than FSAs? Also, Most FSAs and their fellow countrymen (Nigerians, Senegalese,etc.) have offers abroad (NBA, Europe) due to their size and athleticism something that most Filipino players lack, Filipinos on the other hand are always stuck in the PBA or recently just in Asia since it's the only league where they could play or get recruited. Filipinos need to "eat" too, you know!?
                  Those usual imports will be too expensive, bro. Ex-FSAs meanwhile, are the cost-effective solution. We are not referring to those outlier/NBA-level African players, just those guys in the same vein as Ange and Diouf (both spent years developing in the PH system, which is the key factor in this suggestion) would be enough of an upgrade on certain positions, provided that PBA would not impose height limits on the ex-FSA slots of course.

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                  • Originally posted by Rodbi View Post

                    Those usual imports will be too expensive, bro. Ex-FSAs meanwhile, are the cost-effective solution. We are not referring to those outlier/NBA-level African players, just those guys in the same vein as Ange and Diouf (both spent years developing in the PH system, which is the key factor in this suggestion) would be enough of an upgrade on certain positions, provided that PBA would not impose height limits on the ex-FSA slots of course.
                    not to mention higher chance of getting a fiba exemption for naturalized players like ange if they locally for years

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                    • Originally posted by Rodbi View Post

                      Those usual imports will be too expensive, bro. Ex-FSAs meanwhile, are the cost-effective solution. We are not referring to those outlier/NBA-level African players, just those guys in the same vein as Ange and Diouf (both spent years developing in the PH system, which is the key factor in this suggestion) would be enough of an upgrade on certain positions, provided that PBA would not impose height limits on the ex-FSA slots of course.
                      Nah, this doesn't include those outlier NBA-level players tho, a lot of them still has offers to play in the lower-tier leagues in Europe, Filipinos just don't have those offers unlike them.

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                      • Originally posted by KoolAid View Post

                        FSA's playing in the PBA is a no for me, if the PBA is bleeding for talent why not just get the usual imports (US) who are like 10x better than FSAs? Also, Most FSAs and their fellow countrymen (Nigerians, Senegalese,etc.) have offers abroad (NBA, Europe) due to their size and athleticism something that most Filipino players lack, Filipinos on the other hand are always stuck in the PBA or recently just in Asia since it's the only league where they could play or get recruited. Filipinos need to "eat" too, you know!?
                        FSA or calibered-imports, I am for the two import quota in the PBA. Raise the competition, add the excitement and give teams their leeway in forming their teams.
                        Last edited by ja.he; 12-15-2023, 05:02 AM.
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                        • Originally posted by ja.he View Post

                          FSA or calibered-imports, I am with the two import quota in the PBA. Raise the competition, add the excitiement and give teams their leeway in forming their teams.
                          If casuals only knew the extent of the dayo game and realize how many of these Africans exist in basketball hotspots like Cebu and even Pampanga before a few of them are young enough to play a year or two (or five lol) in college, they'd seriously consider it.

                          The PBA obviously knows this (since most of college assistant coaches do the same shit in the PBA), but wouldn't want to take risks because that's one roster spot per team and they take pride in their bullshit traditions that glorify the uniqueness of Pinoy players playing with/against height-restricted imports believing this myth that certain kind of players (the 6'5 dude who played center all his life and the 6'0 athlete who will probably lose to black dudes in the three-quarter-court sprints and max/standing vertical jumps) will never develop.

                          Edit: if a player has class, it wouldn't matter if there's a taĺl African dude or a fake Fil-Am on their team, they play ahead of them anyway. it's just charity for the ones who can't play knowing that a lot of PBA coaches were vicariously living through players who were good enough to stay in the league.
                          Last edited by paolylo; 12-15-2023, 04:06 AM.

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                          • Originally posted by ja.he View Post

                            FSA or calibered-imports, I am for the two import quota in the PBA. Raise the competition, add the excitement and give teams their leeway in forming their teams.
                            I agree with U bro.
                            2-import per team & add 4 more teams in the PBA so that more local players can play.
                            "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                            • I wish TNT do a Ginebra, They should backout EASL and replace it by Magnolia... Aside that they are injured prone squad, They are not ready to play EASL yet... If Ginebra back out due to injuries and fatigue then TNT should do the same too... They have the reason thou... Pogoy is injured, Erram is injured, Castro is injured, Mikey has problems with his team and RHJ also have fatigue issue, came from his national team duties in Jordan... Magnolia might have better performance than TNT if they play there instead....

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                              • Originally posted by Giannis34GOD View Post
                                I wish TNT do a Ginebra, They should backout EASL and replace it by Magnolia... Aside that they are injured prone squad, They are not ready to play EASL yet... If Ginebra back out due to injuries and fatigue then TNT should do the same too... They have the reason thou... Pogoy is injured, Erram is injured, Castro is injured, Mikey has problems with his team and RHJ also have fatigue issue, came from his national team duties in Jordan... Magnolia might have better performance than TNT if they play there instead....
                                You need talent and depth to be able to compete in both the PBA and the EASL. Depth is something MERALCO has in spades that neither TNT nor Ginebra have as of the moment.

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