Fiba World Cup 2023 Philippines

[mathematicianrcg]

That is why developing Ethan Kirkness is a must.. He is only other young big aside from Kai and AJ who is available throughout qualifying windows.. especially from 2025 and beyond.. if Kai and AJ are still in the NBA by then eh we need specific pool of players that are always available every window..

Carl Tamayo, JV PAPA,and Heinz Demisana to add with Ethan.

For me, I see Demisana has the most potential, Tamayo is the. best player among them currently. Papa and Kirkness I think is the weakest among them and on the same level.

[Silent Killer]

Ethan actually looks good on the drills but seems not to know what to do on actual games. I hope it's just a matter of getting comfortable with his game, the kid isn't that slow, looks like he can develop decent ball handling, and, what I like most, his shooting stroke from mid range looks smooth as if he has natural touch. But between him and He Chiu, right now, the latter looks more promising

BTW, the GLeague season has already been cancelled so we really don't know if it'll coincide with the u18 tournament. I'm still hoping Kai can play, he'll make us one of the contenders and I think it's also a good chance for him to mentor ethan and the others.

the current season 19-20 g league is the one being cancelled not the 20-21

[qwertyz]

A hot topic in social media right now is Ange Kouame and his possible local exemption case. Can someone please confirm if that is far from happening? Impossible? Probable? Based on our laws would he still be considered as a Naturalized Filipino? Not just a Filipino Citizen? I believe analyzed explained this in some threads.

[analyzed]

Our laws for classification & naturalisation are a seperate discussion from FIBA rules on classification.

From FIBAs view and rules there is no difference for a player who secured a passport prior to 16 years old regardless if he acquired citizenship via natural born citizen or thru legislation (even if he's a Martian)

[analyzed]

As to question on probability, like any application for request for approval (Visa, exception etc), we will never know for sure.
The only thing we can go by to get an idea of probability is if the factors and criteria used for previous cases for exception and to what extent are similar to Kouame's circumstances, yun lang. (to me they are quite similar, not limited to Greg's case but other cases of successful exemptions from other countries, do note the large number of African /refugee migrant cases of exemption elsewhere )

[Bonifacio]

That is why developing Ethan Kirkness is a must.. He is only other young big aside from Kai and AJ who is available throughout qualifying windows.. especially from 2025 and beyond.. if Kai and AJ are still in the NBA by then eh we need specific pool of players that are always available every window..

Who is better, Ethan or Chiu? It would be interesting how they fare against one another. My bet though is that Chiu is better.

[tomcat]

As to question on probability, like any application for request for approval (Visa, exception etc), we will never know for sure.
The only thing we can go by to get an idea of probability is if the factors and criteria used for previous cases for exception and to what extent are similar to Kouame's circumstances, yun lang. (to me they are quite similar, not limited to Greg's case but other cases of successful exemptions from other countries, do note the large number of African /refugee migrant cases of exemption elsewhere )

Can you name sir 1 case that a player(immigrant) became a citizen in that country at 21 or 22 years old and become FIBA eligible as a local for that country?

[analyzed]

Can you name sir 1 case that a player(immigrant) became a citizen in that country at 21 or 22 years old and become FIBA eligible as a local for that country?

The question is leading, because it does not put into context the principles of the U16 rule and how it's practical execution for the different citizenship rules for each country.
Let me explain, the principle of the U16 rule is the age of when the players has agreed to adopt a country as his own, demonstrated by place of residence and documentation of agreement to be a citizen (application of citizenship)

The latter (application to acquire citizenship) has different procedures for each country, in the Philippines case as an example foreigners cannot be naturalized until 21 yrs old even if by the age of 16 yrs old they agreed to be naturalized and adopted the country as their own already, the latter is what FIBA will find more important (not the process).

On that note I can cite numerous successful exemption cases of players who agreed to be naturalize at 16 to 18 yrs old

[ccharmed]

I don't care if who is better.. much better should be a better bigs for the future.. I hope also if they will go to pba eh they should be in a team who can give them playing time and confidence.. many big man wasted due to greedy teams..

It is more a state of mind. Big baller guys who are very determined to train and play to crush smaller high-performing guys succeed -- as in 3 out of 4 times. This is why small nt teams have very bad results at world level play.

[tomcat]

The question is leading, because it does not put into context the principles of the U16 rule and how it's practical execution for the different citizenship rules for each country.
Let me explain, the principle of the U16 rule is the age of when the players has agreed to adopt a country as his own, demonstrated by place of residence and documentation of agreement to be a citizen (application of citizenship)

The latter (application to acquire citizenship) has different procedures for each country, in the Philippines case as an example foreigners cannot be naturalized until 21 yrs old even if by the age of 16 yrs old they agreed to be naturalized and adopted the country as their own already, the latter is what FIBA will find more important (not the process).

On that note I can cite numerous successful exemption cases of players who agreed to be naturalize at 16 to 18 yrs old

Can you name the players sir?

[analyzed]

Can you name the players sir?

In the Philippines there is Greg, Spencer and Wright (17 yrs old)
In NZ Fotu, Frank, Jones, Diwa, Alok

[tomcat]

In the Philippines there is Greg, Spencer and Wright (17 yrs old)
In NZ Fotu, Frank, Jones, Diwa, Alok

Greg, Spencer and Matt are Filipino dual citizen and not naturalized pinoy. According to FIBA eligibility rules, a national team participating in a Competition of FIBA may have only one player on its team who has acquired the legal nationality of that country by naturalisation or by any other means after having reached the age of sixteen (16). This provision applies also to any player having the right to acquire a second nationality at birth but who did not lay claim to this right until after having reached the age of sixteen (16).

[tomcat]

In the Philippines there is Greg, Spencer and Wright (17 yrs old)
In NZ Fotu, Frank, Jones, Diwa, Alok

Issac Fotu at 17 years old applied to the international federation for exemption and was granted as a non-restricted player or FIBA local eligible. But Fotu and his family moved to New Zealand when he was seven and settled down in Auckland while Angelo went here in Philippines not as a refugee but to become an student-athlete..

[qwertyz]

16. Any player with two legal nationalities or more, by birth or by naturalisation, may choose at any age the national team for which he wishes to play. Any such choice must be made in a written declaration to FIBA. This provision applies also to any player having acquired legal nationality by birth, or having the right to acquire a second nationality at birth, but who does not lay claim to this right until a given time in the future.
[Note: for exceptions see articles 3-20 and 3-21].

21.(a) A national team participating in a Competition of FIBA may have only one player on its team who has acquired the legal nationality of that country by naturalisation or by any other means after having reached the age of sixteen (16). This provision applies also to any player having the right to acquire a second nationality at birth but who did not lay claim to this right until after having reached the age of sixteen (16).

24. For any player who has two or more legal nationalities by birth or by naturalisation, the national member federation for which the player wishes to play must obtain written certification from the national member federation of the country(-ies) corresponding to the player's other nationality(-ies), in which it is stated that he has not taken part in a main official competition of FIBA as a member of its national team.
If the request for this certification remains unanswered, FIBA may issue provisional authorisation to the national member federation making the request. After a period of one year, this authorisation shall be considered final.

The rules clearly state that whether you are naturalized citizen or natural born citizen but both obtained passport after 16. You are both seen by FIBA as the same.

[analyzed]

Issac Fotu at 17 years old applied to the international federation for exemption and was granted as a non-restricted player or FIBA local eligible. But Fotu and his family moved to New Zealand when he was seven and settled down in Auckland while Angelo went here in Philippines not as a refugee but to become an student-athlete..

Yes, he just has more years, how about Greg?
There isn't a specified # of years but again back to the principle of the U16 rule
Developed by country
Adopted the county as a minor
Is dependent on parental supervision and financially on locals