Fiba World Cup 2023 Philippines

[JAMSKIE]

Right materials (the right kind of players), enough preparation & competent coaching are the keys to success.

When I said enough preparation, I don't necessarily mean, we need to start full time training of the National team 5 or 6 months prior to the FIBA World Cup. There's no way our team can train full time for 5 or 6 months prior to the World Cup. Preparation for such a big tournament should be an accumulation of playing/practicing/training together as a team thru the years going into the FIBA World Cup. Say the National team plays/trains/practices for an average of 2 months per year, in 4 years the National team will have a total of 8 months of training/preparation. That is what accumulated training/preparation is all about. And that is what teams like China, Iran, & other teams have been doing for years/decades now.

Realistically, these countries/teams were able to do this simply because their pro leagues have a much longer off-season compared to ours. No need to elaborate. Everybody here understands what I'm implying.

[Bonifacio]

You mean the same 7 footer who's already past his prime and extremely out of shape. I do agree with you that preparation is important. But also a good coach with international experienced.

Not just a good coach with an international experience....but a good coach who did his homework by scouting well the competitors and preparing well this team for the competition.

If sufficient preparation was provided, they could put Blatche back in shape......Hadadi is 2 years older than Blatche but Iran whalloped us with a 20 pt beating...so you cant use past his prime as an excuse.

[JAMSKIE]

Obviously preperation is always a factor, but as Dickel mentioned there really isn't that much difference in preperation time with other nations, what is more glaring a difference is how we develop players and pathways

Oh really? I didn't know that China, Serbia, Argentina, Spain, etc., prepared for only 2 weeks (as we did) prior to the 2019 FIBA World Cup.

As I've pointed out in my previous post, other countries preparation for a tournament like World Cup or Olympics is achieved thru accumulated training/playing thru the years. I can bet that the Chinese National team trains/practices/plays for no less than 2 months per year, and it is able to do it during the off-season of its premier pro league. Try to check what the Chinese National team is doing during the months of July & August or September. The Chinese are playing pocket tournaments or invitational tournaments featuring other National teams from Europe, South America or Africa. And they do this year after year.

Do we do this here in the Philippines? The last time we held a pocket tournament here was way back 5 years ago.

[Bonifacio]

Obviously preperation is always a factor, but as Dickel mentioned there really isn't that much difference in preperation time with other nations, what is more glaring a difference is how we develop players and pathways

So obviously, the Blatche and Norwood factor is the key factor that made us competitive in Barcelona because we had those two last year and we got a beating.
Height is also not the key factor because we had taller players last year and we got clobbered.
Im sure you would agree with me that the teams that we played in Barcelona are much taller and their players are more developed and had better pathways but we were competitive with them. The only advantage that I saw is probably the preparation that we did to compensate for all these assets ( height, developed players and pathways).
On the other hand, last year, we probably have somewhat around the same height as Iran, similar development in terms of players and similar pathways but we got whalloped by 20 pts...the only difference is probably the preparation that Iran did as compared to ours..

[analyzed]

Yes really on average not always, if you look at the national team rosters of many western countries their players who are spread around the world do not have the luxury of the setup of the Philippines where majority of the players live in one city, and can practice like once a. Week. Additionally many are not even available for the windows, cause they're based overseas (Fotu and Webster for example didn't play in the windows, this adds up in accumulated practice preparation through out the year.
It's actually a myth that the Philippines has less preperation than most world level teams. Yes were disadvantage when comparing to our Asian counterparts like Iran, China, Korea.. But absolutely not compared to team USA, Australia, Spain, France, NZ etc etc, whose core national team players are spread out overseas

I can assure you the amount of practice hours for the year of tream USA (and others) is less than Gilas

[Bonifacio]

I think this equation holds true

Preparation = Height + Developed Players + Pathways

USA can do away with preparation because they have height, developed players and pathways. However, for Philippines,with limited possibility for height, developed players and pathways, we can only rely to preparation to compensate for our weaknesses.

[analyzed]

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Yes I agree with that, they are all factors.
And as you see when your development of players is good (like team. USA and others) your reliance on long team preparation is diminished.
I still believe our biggest weakness isn't preperation (while I admit we're disadvantage in that area compared to Asian rivals), but our biggest weakness is development both in terms of producing athletes and appropriate skills for FIBA length per position standards

[Bonifacio]

^^^
Yes I agree with that, they are all factors.
And as you see when your development of players is good (like team. USA and others) your reliance on long preparation is diminished.
I still believe our biggest weakness isn't preperation (while I admit we're disadvantage in that area compared to Asian rivals), but our biggest weakness is development both in terms of producing athletes and appropriate skills for FIBA length per position standards

But Development, including Height and Pathways are difficult to achieve. We could work on them but it will take a long term in order to achieve a satisfactory level
Preparation is easier to do and probably cheaper

[JAMSKIE]

Yes really on average not always, if you look at the national team rosters of many western countries their players who are spread around the world do not have the luxury of the setup of the Philippines where majority of the players live in one city, and can practice like once a. Week. Additionally many are not even available for the windows, cause they're based overseas (Fotu and Webster for example didn't play in the window, this adds up in accumulated practice preparation through out the year.
It's actually a myth that the Philippines has less preperation than most world level teams. Yes were disadvantage when comparing to our Asian counterparts like Iran, China, Korea.. But absolutely not compared to team USA, Australia, Spain, France, NZ etc etc, whose core national team players are spread out overseas

I can assure you the amount of practice hours for the year of tream USA (and others) is less than Gilas

Of course its a given that team USA, more often than not, doesn't have the luxury of a lengthy period of preparation. There's no argument with that.

And maybe, teams like France, Spain, Brazil, & others also don't really have that lengthy preparation. Problem is, those teams are strong enough to beat a well prepared China or S. Korea or Iran National teams.

Well, may I ask, don't the National teams of Australia & New Zealand conduct training camps on a yearly basis during the months of July, Aug. & Sept. (a time when their domestic leagues and the pro leagues of Europe, where some of their National players are playing, is in the off-season)?

[analyzed]

But Development, including Height and Pathways are difficult to achieve. We could work on them but it will take a long term in order to achieve a satisfactory level
Preparation is easier to do and probably cheaper

That's a mindset we have to change as a nation really, we like short cuts and are unwilling to make long term hard investments that have more lasting impact (which is really the root of our problems) we need to address our. Biggest weakness

[JAMSKIE]

^^^
Yes I agree with that, they are all factors.
And as you see when your development of players is good (like team. USA and others) your reliance on long team preparation is diminished.
I still believe our biggest weakness isn't preperation (while I admit we're disadvantage in that area compared to Asian rivals), but our biggest weakness is development both in terms of producing athletes and appropriate skills for FIBA length per position standards

Since you have been saying that our Asian rivals enjoy a longer preparation period over us, I'm just thinking that maybe if we get just 70% of preparation/training period that China or Iran or South Korea is getting, then maybe we can beat these teams more often than we did before. Specially some 4 years from now when we already have the right materials (Kai, Edu, Dwight Ramos, Remy Martin (?)).

[analyzed]

Of course its a given that team USA, more often than not, doesn't have the luxury of

Well, may I ask, don't the National teams of Australia & New Zealand conduct training camps on a yearly basis during the months of July, Aug. & Sept. (a time when their domestic leagues and the pro leagues of Europe, where some of their National players are playing, is in the off-season)?

Short answer NO, I know this as a fact, I've litterally worked with both Gilas and Tall Blacks preperation. Gilas actually has more hours of preparation, but not necessarily better. (they play bad tune up games)

NZ does not have the money to bring its core best players for prolonged training. True story in one of the windows Qatar sponsored there 3 day training camp in Qatar before they flew to Lebanon for a window game. The players from Europe flew straight to Qatar.

The summer camps your referring to are for youth teams
But the best players like Simmons, Adams, Fotu, Ingles do not spend their summers or any of it in camp. Nba and Europe Pros are very hard to get to practice together.

Now if you're referring to NBL players, (domestic) hindi rin, cause they're based all from different cities, so no point on spending to hold practice

[analyzed]

Since you have been saying that our Asian rivals enjoy a longer preparation period over us, I'm just thinking that maybe if we get just 70% of preparation/training period that China or Iran or South Korea is getting, then maybe we can beat these teams more often than we did before. Specially some 4 years from now when we already have the right materials (Kai, Edu, Dwight Ramos, Remy Martin (?)).

Yes I believe a long term prepared team with sufficient talent like 1GDL, Thirdy, Dwight, AJ, Kouame. and late reinforcements CJ, JC I believe can beat Asian teams

U need sufficient talent tough, if parang Special draft players, even if they prepare 4 years straight, talo pa rin yun

[Silent Killer]

Short answer NO, I know this as a fact, I've litterally worked with both Gilas and Tall Blacks preperation. Gilas actually has more hours of preparation, but not necessarily better. (they play bad tune up games)

NZ does not have the money to bring its core best players for prolonged training. True story in one of the windows Qatar sponsored there 3 day training camp in Qatar before they flew to Lebanon for a window game. The players from Europe flew straight to Qatar.

The summer camps your referring to are for youth teams
But the best players like Simmons, Adams, Fotu, Ingles do not spend their summers or any of it in camp. Nba and Europe Pros are very hard to get to practice together.

Now if you're referring to NBL players, (domestic) hindi rin, cause they're based all from different cities, so no point on spending to hold practice

i remember mitch creek’s mother mentioned to me “boomers trained just weeks” when i mentioned the gilas problem in terms of preparation for world cup..

[Bonifacio]

That's a mindset we have to change as a nation really, we like short cuts and are unwilling to make long term hard investments that have more lasting impact (which is really the root of our problems) we need to address our. Biggest weakness

Not saying that we shouldnt do the long term hard investments which could even take generations....However, as we are competing in 2023, we should focus on preparation as any reward that we get on investments in development will probably take place 10-15 years from now...assuming that sufficient political will, money and careful planning are put in....unlike Australia, New Zealnd European countries, Philippines is still a developing country...so it is easy to say that we should make the necessary investments if you are living in one of those developed countries.