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  • Originally posted by B L A C K S U N View Post
    What the hell is the point of having multiple conferences anyway? Just create one whole season with playoffs then make an invitational cup like Jones cup. PBA is so outdated it's so crazy. No wonder why the gate attendance is poor there's no innovation in the league
    playoffs all the way to finals sells tickets and raises tv ratings.
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    • Liked this one because Ive had similar thoughts. Philippines has a ton of talent, more than New Zealand even, problems are different. Says the way people play and develop in the Philippines holds them back. Teams locally are well coached. Players don't dream high enough (local players aim for PBA as pinnacle, New Zealand aims for NCAA and NBA, Spain don't aim for ACB, instead Euroleague or NBA). Local players have high basketball IQ but might not be willing to do what coaches tell them. Thinks that preparation isn't the problem with Gilas but the level of players( international quality players by comaprison). Philippines dosen't play to their strength. Also most teams tend to play the same way, lots of players just stand around not enough movement.

      Also says Junmar can be really good internationally ("more than hold his own inside")

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      • Gilas Pilipinas’ head coaching job should be given to the most qualified, regardless of where he is from.  Mark Dickel pointed out as much when asked about Chot Reyes’ take on the program’s search for a full-time coach, during his talk in the Hoop Coaches International Webinar hosted by the Blackwater Elite Wednesday. Reyes, himself […]


        "If it’s somebody from here, or somebody from Croatia, or France, or Australia, or wherever, then surely that person should be the best for the job. I don’t think it necessarily matters where that person is from,” Dickel furthered.

        Yup.
        #FIRECHOTREYES!!

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        • Originally posted by TheRodster21 View Post


          Liked this one because Ive had similar thoughts. Philippines has a ton of talent, more than New Zealand even, problems are different. Says the way people play and develop in the Philippines holds them back. Teams locally are well coached. Players don't dream high enough (local players aim for PBA as pinnacle, New Zealand aims for NCAA and NBA, Spain don't aim for ACB, instead Euroleague or NBA). Local players have high basketball IQ but might not be willing to do what coaches tell them. Thinks that preparation isn't the problem with Gilas but the level of players( international quality players by comaprison). Philippines dosen't play to their strength. Also most teams tend to play the same way, lots of players just stand around not enough movement.

          Also says Junmar can be really good internationally ("more than hold his own inside")
          Ive been waiting for someone to bring this topic up. I definitely agree our players dont dream big. As I’ve said before only 4 players from the Philippines have tried out in the G League. Japeth, Jean Victor, RayRay, Kiefer and one of them isnt even a local. I believe we could have sent June Mar (Dallas Mavs Summer and G League invite per Tim Cone) and Terrence Romeo could have tried out in the Summer or G League too. Thirdy and players younger than him are starting to take different paths (international). But Philippine schools and programs need to study NCAA rules first. Amateurism etc.

          On that second point thats why I admire Tab Baldwin’s vision. Who would’ve thought that guys like Tungcab, Nieto bros, Bulanadi, Suerte, Ambohot and many other players would be national team prospects. Heck even Khobuntin, Jalalon, Vosotros and HS guys like Prince Rivero and Jonas Tibayan made the teams back then. He’s really trying to save the national team by spreading the talent level.

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          • Finally listened to video, some key takeaways

            -good point from Mark it's not the system, but the skills developed (the youth) for FiBA,
            - we don't produce players to be prepared to play at higher level abroad
            - Tab is not a one system guy, he adapts

            - It's not the national team preperation per se
            , but teaching and development of players

            -Our players have skills to play with ball but no Skill in playing without the ball

            Majority of Tall Black's play abroad and thats what makes them a better team

            - to compete internationally envision is 4 out 1 in ( so need only one big ) - our four is more of a perimeter player

            Summary u need a system where player development is to produce them and prepare them to play outside abroad, that is the only way we're going to get better players

            Whether Mark admits it or not, he admitted the size difference, 6'4 our bigs in the Philippines, him being 6'2 oversees he's always small oversees
            Junmar in the PBA has no match , all these comments, points that the Philippines does not have overall size and length . Which is fundamental to level of talent

            So obviously size is a weakness in terms of quality to produce players to export oversees FiBA level,
            But just like the Tall Black's who are also undersize you can still win and get good results cause you still have enough height to form 12 players , and with four out 1 in, one good center helps (hopefully from a NP) we're not too reliant on too many bigs . Do note the 2002 TB 4th place team had 1 center (Marks ) and the two forwards who played in the frontline ( Boucher and Pero ) were just around 6' 5 ( but of course they were highly skilled and mobile )

            on the Nz has 15 good players , Phil has more volume. (50). can easily see where that is coming from , essentially NZ has ony about 15 trully full time professional players ( playing mostly in Europe and NBL ) the NZ NBL is semi pro (people have day jobs) , while obviously the Phillippines has the PBA easily 50 players full time... So i get it . but for one to interpret that to mean that it litterally means NZ has only 15 players of level 1 ( can play as import in Europe ) and the Philippines has (50 ) is not correct.. That's a different thing al togehter

            to make the point here are 10 Nz players who've either played in NbA or Europe ( Adams, Loe, Fotu, Delaney, Abercombrie , Vukona , Tai and Corey Webster, Darling, Salt ) can you name 40 Philippine homegrown players who can play at this level (forget have played , just at that level)


            the list of 2nd tier next level 11- 20 ( e.g. Ili, Tai Wynyard, ti Rangi etc etc are NBL Australian /NZ league players ) did not include them in level 1, and of course didn't include all the Kiwi players currently in Div 1 at least 10 ( Dan Fotu, Freeman , Wandenburg etc etc
            Last edited by analyzed; 05-15-2020, 02:17 AM.
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            • Originally posted by analyzed View Post
              Finally listened to video, some key takeaways

              -good point from Mark it's not the system, but the skills developed (the youth) for FiBA,
              - we don't produce players to be prepared to play at higher level abroad
              - Tab is not a one system guy, he adapts

              - It's not the national team preperation per se
              , but teaching and development of players

              -Our players have skills to play with ball but no Skill in playing without the ball

              Majority of Tall Black's play abroad and thats what makes them a better team

              - to compete internationally envision is 4 out 1 in ( so need only one big ) - our four is more of a perimeter player

              Summary u need a system where player development is to produce them and prepare them to play outside abroad, that is the only way we're going to get better players

              Whether Mark admits it or not, he admitted the size difference, 6'4 our bigs in the Philippines, him being 6'2 oversees he's always small oversees
              Junmar in the PBA has no match , all these comments, points that the Philippines does not have overall size and length . Which is fundamental to level of talent

              So obviously size is a weakness in terms of quality to produce players to export oversees FiBA level,
              But just like the Tall Black's who are also undersize you can still win and get good results cause you still have enough height to form 12 players , and with four out 1 in, one good center helps (hopefully from a NP) we're not too reliant on too many bigs . Do note the 2002 TB 4th place team had 1 center (Marks ) and the two forwards who played in the frontline ( Boucher and Pero ) were just around 6' 5 ( but of course they were highly skilled and mobile )

              on the Nz has 15 good players , Phil has more volume.. can easily see where that is coming from , essentially NZ has ony about 15 trully full time professional players ( playing mostly in Europe and NBL ) the NZ NBL is semi pro (people have day jobs) , while obviously the Phillippines has the PBA easily 50 players full time... So i get it . but for one to interpret that to mean that it litterally means NZ has only 15 players of level 1 ( can play as import in Europe ) and the Philippines has (50 ) is not correct.. That's a different thing al togehter

              to make the point here are 10 Nz players who've either played in NbA or Europe ( Adams, Loe, Fotu, Delaney, Abercombrie , Vukona , Tai and Corey Webster, Penny, Salt ) can you name 40 Philippine homegrown players who can play at this level (forget have played , just at that level)


              the list of 2nd tier next level 11- 20 ( e.g. Ili, Tai Wynyard, ti Rangi etc etc are NBL Australian /NZ league players ) did not include them in level 1, and of course didn't include all the Kiwi players currently in Div 1 at least 10 ( Dan Fotu, Freeman , Wandenburg etc etc
              Even more boring content than ECQ. Go away silly man. Go bring your NZ felicitations to NZ boards, such a skull numbing sort.

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              • Originally posted by Sam (a.k.a.) Tuwid View Post
                Even more boring content than ECQ. Go away silly man. Go bring your NZ felicitations to NZ boards, such a skull numbing sort.
                It's Philippines , Gilas content.. the comparrison with NZ was a direct answer form Mark form a question from a Phillippine fan who was interested to know where we stand compared to NZ from the perspective a person (Mark) who's Gilas and TNT coach as well as former Tall Black.. How's that not relevent and of interest. Why don't you add a comment on the youtube video to complian of any association or comparission to New zealand should not be included or asked in a Philippine Webinar . and make a complaint with who posted in IBN this vidoeo (that includes NZ comaprission content) That's what you're essentially saying ..
                Last edited by analyzed; 05-15-2020, 01:19 AM.
                NBTC- Team New Zealand - Camp David: vision "To provide a basketball Pathway for Filipino Kids in NZ while building men of character and leadership. I can do all things ...
                https://www.facebook.com/teamNZBasketball/

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                • Originally posted by analyzed View Post
                  It's Philippines , Gilas content.. the comparrison with NZ was a direct answer form Mark form a question from a Phillippine fan who was interested to know where we stand compared to NZ from the perspective a person (Mark) who's Gilas and TNT coach as well as former Tall Black.. How's that not relevent and of interest. Why don't you add a comment on the youtube video to complian of any association or comparission to New zealand should not be included or asked in a Philippine Webinar . and make a complaint with who posted in IBN this vidoeo (that includes NZ comaprission content) That's what you're essentially saying ..
                  How are you Filipino, man?

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                  • Looking at the blue print , aside from a full time cadet team continuing for 3 years a key component is reinforcing the team with players with oversees league expereience ( Kai, Jc and Aj etc)
                    NBTC- Team New Zealand - Camp David: vision "To provide a basketball Pathway for Filipino Kids in NZ while building men of character and leadership. I can do all things ...
                    https://www.facebook.com/teamNZBasketball/

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                    • Originally posted by astigram04
                      Why should i limit my team to a unidimensional 1 in, 4 out when I have a couple of versatile bigs who play together very well.
                      4 out 1 in does not refer to positions but offensive play set up, if you have a traditional PF but he has the skill set to spread the floor (stretch 4) then by all means use him
                      NBTC- Team New Zealand - Camp David: vision "To provide a basketball Pathway for Filipino Kids in NZ while building men of character and leadership. I can do all things ...
                      https://www.facebook.com/teamNZBasketball/

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                      • Originally posted by analyzed View Post
                        https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba/...8sEsUZ6nW8710c

                        Looking at the blue print , aside from a full time cadet team continuing for 3 years a key component is reinforcing the team with players with oversees league expereience ( Kai, Jc and Aj etc)
                        how does tab see dalph panopio? i expect his overseas league experience is valueable

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                        • Originally posted by astigram04
                          Would you run that set up with Kai and AJ on the floor
                          Very possible at least for stretches, the important thing is either Kai or AJ has to be consistent from outside to stretch the floor to be respected, otherwise youre clogging the lane and have poor spacing

                          Let's face it, AJs ability to play in the perimeter and shoot consistently is still a question mark
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                          • aj and kai's chemistry in high-low sets is promising, hope we can explore that action. as dickel said, tab is not a one-system guy, hopefully they won't be limited to 4-out 1-in.

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                            • Originally posted by lurklurk View Post
                              how does tab see dalph panopio? i expect his overseas league experience is valueable
                              He's actually in Tab's pipeline list.. we need to develop that culture of seeing our youth team players continue to develop as prospects for the future.
                              Of course they have to develop and mature to get to that level (senior) but this isn't a guaranteed (same with Dave
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                              • Originally posted by lurklurk View Post
                                aj and kai's chemistry in high-low sets is promising, hope we can explore that action. as dickel said, tab is not a one-system guy, hopefully they won't be limited to 4-out 1-in.
                                Yes play to the strength of the players, it's just like in 2015 since Jason and Blatche are DDO guys then use it
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                                https://www.facebook.com/teamNZBasketball/

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