Fiba World Cup 2023 Philippines

[TheRodster21]

Well to be fair their players are also fairly skilled and coordinated not just tall. Not Kai Sotto great though lol . Heck we have the tallest player in the tournament which didn't help us squat.

This is the real problem, plenty of players with height but they aren’t as good when compared to international players of the same size. Pretty much development issue

[Metta]

Man, I don't know about you guys but the WC was pretty disheartening for me as a pinoy bball fan, especially that loss vs South Sudan. How tf are you losing to a country that's only like 11 years old??!? and was coming off a civil war. All this talk about changing our grassroots structure and improving our pro league in hopes of developing better players are just a tiny factor in developing players having the height is really the most important thing in producing NBA player. Example is a nation like South Sudan whom I heard doesn't even have an indoor facilities and probably doesn't have a pro league still.could produce NBA players because they are some really tall people in their country. Rant over. pinoys loving basketball is really unrequited love HAHAHAHA

It's not fair to compare to South Sudan because they are an "outlier" when it comes to prospects. Like what I mentioned before, they are home to the Dinka tribe which is arguably one of the best on earth when it comes to height-athleticism combination. They have an enormous pool with elite size and other better developed countries have been scouting/recruiting their best basketball players since the 90s.

On the other hand, their program is also an example of how a "targeted" development can be effective. Their program leaders (former nba players) are not trying to uplift the whole country's basketball program. With their limited resources, they are using their limited funds on their "elite of the elite." They also have a long-term outlook when it comes to development (they included 16 year old Malwach in the World Cup team).

[shootingbwakaw]

Here's a compilation of the stats for this WC: https://hackastat.eu/en/fiba-world-cup-2023/

Interesting statlines for us:

We were 10th in DRTG at 106.3.
We allowed a true shooting percentage of 53%, good for 6th in the WC.
We allowed opponents to shoot only 32% from 3, good for 9th.
We allowed opponents to shoot 41% from the field, good for 4th.
We had the lowest AST% at 43%.
We had the 10th highest TO% at 16%.
We were 26th in 3PT% at 30%.
We were below average at offensive rebounding, grabbing only 28% of all available offensive rebounds. (ranked 21st, average 29%)
We were average at defensive rebounding, grabbing 73.7% of all available defensive rebounds. (ranked 15, average 72.9%)
We force turnovers only 12% of the time, good for 31st.

Defensive stats might have been padded by the Angola and China games, but I'll take it.

so now we have clear guidelines of what we need to improve on if we want to compete at this level. our defensive weaknesses (in my UNEXPERT OPINION) could be due to our lack of size at the guard/wing positions. our 6-4, 6-5 guards don't move like international guards. The PBA draft still has 6-4 centers. low assists, high turnovers and low 3 pt shooting should be due to lack of fluidity in offense due to poor preparation. 2nd to the lowest in forcing turnovers means we couldn't keep up with our defensive assignments, not enough length to disrupt passing lanes or just the PBA habit of clogging the lane. I believe our bigs can now compete. but our guards and wings (locally) are still used to playing as undersized PF/C. if we still want to be relevant at this level, we should develop the taller guards and wings. our 6-4 to 6-6 players should move like our 6-1, 6-2 players. hopefully, we veer away from the power playing 6-3, 6-4 of past generations (Patrimonio, Peek). We have taller, longer shooters, but coach didn't pick them. Wright, Lassiter, Parks, Tuffin couldn't have done worse than Pogoy. Malonzo, unfortunately, disappeared in the games.

[alfrancis]

In terms of talent, size and skill, the frontline of Fajardo, Edu, Sotto and Aguilar is the best so far in the history of the RP Team IMO. Better than the group of Taulava, A. Siegle (Pennisi ?), Ildefonso and Menk.

[Yessuh29]

It's not fair to compare to South Sudan because they are an "outlier" when it comes to prospects. Like what I mentioned before, they are home to the Dinka tribe which is arguably one of the best on earth when it comes to height-athleticism combination. They have an enormous pool with elite size and other better developed countries have been scouting/recruiting their best basketball players since the 90s.

On the other hand, their program is also an example of how a "targeted" development can be effective. Their program leaders (former nba players) are not trying to uplift the whole country's basketball program. With their limited resources, they are using their limited funds on their "elite of the elite." They also have a long-term outlook when it comes to development (they included 16 year old Malwach in the World Cup team).

This isn't only on Sudan tho, it could apply to other countries in Africa in which basketball isn't popular and doesn't even have half the facilities that we Filipinos have and also the pro league us Filipinos have. (Senegal, Cameroon, Nigeria, Congo, Ghana, etc.) Point is having a so called basketball culture is nothing if you don't have the pool of players with size.

[Metta]

This isn't only on Sudan tho, it could apply to other countries in Africa in which basketball isn't popular and doesn't even have half the facilities that we Filipinos have and also the pro league us Filipinos have. (Senegal, Cameroon, Nigeria, Congo, Ghana, etc.) Point is having a so called basketball culture is nothing if you don't have the pool of players with size.

Oh so you're in the "we should play other sports" camp. Yes, our fascination with basketball is illogical, but it is what it is. And if you compare it to other comparable asian countries who concentrate on futbol, we've been relatively successful in basketball compared to their success in futbol (where the whole world and most of the population is your competition).

I for one think our best chances when it comes to success is in individual sports. Team sports require a lot of organizational expertise (and funding) which we're not known for.

On the topic of African basketball, top world coaches know that if African teams get the right amount of funding and top-notch European coaching, it's game over for most other countries.

Some countries indeed have an advantage in terms of size/talent. Just look at the Bahamas, a tiny island with less than Pasig's population but they can parade a team of entirely nba players (a lot of duals though).

[Yessuh29]

Oh so you're in the "we should play other sports" camp. Yes, our fascination with basketball is illogical, but it is what it is. And if you compare it to other comparable asian countries who concentrate on futbol, we've been relatively successful in basketball compared to their success in futbol (where the whole world and most of the population is your competition).

I for one think our best chances when it comes to success is in individual sports. Team sports require a lot of organizational expertise (and funding) which we're not known for.

On the topic of African basketball, top world coaches know that if African teams get the right amount of funding and top-notch European coaching, it's game over for most other countries.

Some countries indeed have an advantage in terms of size/talent. Just look at the Bahamas, a tiny island with less than Pasig's population but they can parade a team of entirely nba players (a lot of duals though).

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Nah dude, far from it actually. It was just a bitter pill for me to swallow after the disappointing WC results of Gilas and the failure of Kai not making the NBA. It just hit me where a nation like the PH who is madly in love with basketball, complete with the facilities and all that can't even produce an NBA player with the population of 100m compare that to South Sudan with only a population of 10m produce NBA talents almost yearly.

[Metta]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Nah dude, far from it actually. It was just a bitter pill for me to swallow after the disappointing WC results of Gilas and the failure of Kai not making the NBA. It just hit me where a nation like the PH who is madly in love with basketball, complete with the facilities and all that can't even produce an NBA player with the population of 100m compare that to South Sudan with only a population of 10m produce NBA talents almost yearly.

One way of looking at it, eventhough we have 100 million, how many 6'5+ players do we have...a hundred? Close to 7-footers...5 to 10? For them, even though their total population is much smaller, they have those size freaks by the thousand and the athleticism to match. Just look at the tiny island of Bahamas. I mentioned that they have less people than half the population of Pasig but they can parade an all-nba team. So yah, let's keep swallowing that bitter pill lol.

For what it's worth, for the people wondering if we're better off playing futbol or baseball...try playing it. Both those sports are highly technical. Meaning a lot of the skills required to excel needs to be developed really early and for a really long time. That's why world-level little league baseball and soccer youth academies exist. Grassroots in those sports is much more important than in basketball. And that is one of our main weaknesses, really young grassroots development.

Personally, I like how we're into basketball despite not being tall people. It's a lot like the Jamaican bobsled team. Kind of a defiant eff you attitude. You'll understand it more when you get a chance to play pickup basketball in the US, you get instant respect in most places no matter your size.

[CoJ]

fiba ranking already out, we’re no 38 now, Japan is no 26

https://www.fiba.basketball/rankingmen

[Giannis34GOD]

fiba ranking already out, we’re no 38 now, Japan is no 26

https://www.fiba.basketball/rankingmen

Biggest loser in rankings among Asian teams are Korea (from 36 to 51), Taiwan (from 69 to 79) and next WC host Qatar (from 89 to 104)… Are Qatar deserve a WC automatic spot as host with that kind of ranking? While biggest winners of recent rankings are Japan (from 36 to 26), Lebanon (from 44 to 28), Bahrain (from 84 to 69) and Indonesia (from 85 to 74)… NZL almost make it to the top 20 team (no. Aq ranked team )too, while surprisingly china didn’t dropped down too much…

[Metta]

Ranked # 38 best basketball nation despite being considered 5th shortest in terms of height in the world... perspective. Despite the fact that we could've placed higher, still pound for pound.

[reamily]

Biggest loser in rankings among Asian teams are Korea (from 36 to 51), Taiwan (from 69 to 79) and next WC host Qatar (from 89 to 104)… Are Qatar deserve a WC automatic spot as host with that kind of ranking? While biggest winners of recent rankings are Japan (from 36 to 26), Lebanon (from 44 to 28), Bahrain (from 84 to 69) and Indonesia (from 85 to 74)… NZL almost make it to the top 20 team (no. Aq ranked team )too, while surprisingly china didn’t dropped down too much…

I may agree on you on this but there's only one host but I dont see Qatar improving tremendously despite having (talented players) from 2023 to 2027..And knowing Qatar's reputation to FIBA the last decade..

[Giannis34GOD]

I may agree on you on this but there's only one host but I dont see Qatar improving tremendously despite having (talented players) from 2023 to 2027..And knowing Qatar's reputation to FIBA the last decade..

They can host the event, but they should give same treatment as to Indonesia… if they can’t manage to be top 8 in fiba asia cup in 2025 then they are not deserve to be there… just give that slot to one European team… European region should have more spots than the current one… that is also my main reason why I think Qatar might be the host for 2025 FIBA Asia cup… they might not even qualify for the main Asian event if they will not host it… their gulf rivals Bahrain and Saudi are more impressive than them already…

[Giannis34GOD]

Ranked # 38 best basketball nation despite being considered 5th shortest in terms of height in the world... perspective. Despite the fact that we could've placed higher, still pound for pound.

Gilas should take seriously the 2025 fiba asia cup… if they not, their rankings will go down further and they can’t get any good draws in any fiba competitions in the future if they are still in the bottom…

[Giannis34GOD]

I’m happy for Indonesian basketball… they manage to work hard for their basketball program and it succeed already, topping much perennial Asian power Taiwan is already big achievement from them… while its a big warning for Taiwan… they manage to host Jones cup event but they can’t host Pre OQT last month… they didn’t priority FIBA and that will be the result… it’s hard to imagine that Indonesia is higher rank team than Taiwan… they prioritize wrong events that didn’t matter to FIBA… And we didn’t knew what will be the punishment for Korea and Taiwan after declining to participate Pre OQT last month… if they suspended then another meltdown again for them… they deserve that low rankings…