Fiba World Cup 2023 Philippines

[Bonifacio]

Well here is simple math, number of players with major league experience ( US Div 1 starter, NBA and Euro league), like it or not , there is significant correlation with FIBA results and # of players with major league experience.
This is a question for revisiting our structure and pathway for development.

there is this misconception on strength, while we have household name stars, in the bigger picture we lack quality elite major league players compared to others, yes we are less talented.
lots of those Angola bigs if Pinoy locals would be MVPs in the PBA easily

Nothing will happen if Panlileo, Chot and the PBA current management are running the show. Philippine basketball needs revolutionary leadership. MVP should be fed up and dismantle the current SBP leadership and structure. There should be a revolutionary change of management of the PBA.

Find a new leader first before any proposed changes can be discussed.

[shootingbwakaw]

if they beat Italy[/B] and DR beat Angola but I think it also will come down to point differential.

we need more players that love to defend, pass, shoot, and be versatile in their roles than be scorers or being fancy.

if this Gilas beats Italy, like that's gonna happen. forget about fancy players, what about coaches draped in php 200K outfit picking brain-dead defenders?

[Stevy]

"Natuto tayo yuno mga isolation moves, yung naluma na yung bola sa kamay ng player tapos nakatayo lang yung mga kakampi niva. Hindi na ganun ano basketball,"

- Coach Yeng on recent loss

This doesn’t mean that we would suddenly wish for him to take over, but this is all it takes. A domino effect to burst the existing bubble of the higher-ups to realize this hard truth. I hope that after WC 23, even the hearts of Chua, etc. will open up to this.

If SMC takes over, I really hope that they make the right, logical decision and hire the best person available with competent knowledge of world basketball.

We need to build on the blueprint that Tab has already put forward and create a much better program. Whether we will adapt a more South American approach, a euro ball approach or etc. It needs to maximize the players that we have and we also have to start emulating the development system already in place in Europe. I propose creating 3 teams similar to what Taiwan did.

One thing is for sure: we have to stop the PBA style of basketball where we keep on isolating, shooting poorly, having bad defensive habits, etc. As we can see from the past two games, our offense has been disgustingly stagnant.

To rub salt in the wound, Japan, emphasizing growth, good basketball, and culture (an identity we had under the Tab era), won against Finland, a team that was 7th in the last Eurobasket, placing higher than the likes of Serbia, Italy, Turkey, Lithuania, etc. Compare it to the chaos that SBP and Chot created.

For change to happen, it will need to start from the very top. We have a leadership problem in the SBP. I hope whoever takes over puts Philippine basketball first, not the PBA, UAAP, other business ventures (Panlilio, Chot), etc. We need management solely dedicated to putting out a world-class team.

[empyreanmaze]

Japan's win really helped the case of Chot's critics. Japan's locals besides Watanabe is not even better than pinoy players in skills and physical stature and managed to snatch a victory against a European team in the World Cup a god damn pipe dream to every style pba supporters. It's pathetic it took this much for the obsolescence of style pba to become apparent, when it has been observed even by fans with no professional experiences for MULTIPLE FUCKING YEARS.

[Metta]

Wholistic change.

We just have to look at our neighbor Japan whose size and athleticism is not that far from us.

What did they do?

Grassroots development (multiple homegrown nba players and D1 players). Pro league development. Having an identity (asian euroball) and constructing a roster that fits that identity (I don't even know the name of their NP, which is a testament to their talent identification).

We don't have to imitate their style, but what we should imitate is their strategic and long-term approach.

[TheRodster21]

I know people are talking about Japan’s level of locals but in Japan’s starting lineup they have an nba player, baba has nbl and gleague experience and did decently in both leagues, Tominaga wasn’t just a random D1 player, he’s been lighting it up in D1. Hawkinson was a good D1 player as well, I mean there is a difference in talent at least from that starting lineup. I mean Ramos didn’t really have an impact in D1, Malonzo as well didn’t really have much impact on D1, Kai is definitely the second most accomplished player on the team but hasn’t had much impact. Edu had injuries and never really made a massive impact for his team. Clarkson is more talented than anyone from both teams but after him the drop off is big.

[PeeZones]

What if Gilas will overcome Italy by more than 15 and move on to the second round tomorrow?haha will your sentiments against chot and SBP be the same?haha I know this Gilas squad is capable of such feats and we have the most brilliant coach of the entire ph as our captain.haha

[empyreanmaze]

I know people are talking about Japan’s level of locals but in Japan’s starting lineup they have an nba player, baba has nbl and gleague experience and did decently in both leagues, Tominaga wasn’t just a random D1 player, he’s been lighting it up in D1. Hawkinson was a good D1 player as well, I mean there is a difference in talent at least from that starting lineup. I mean Ramos didn’t really have an impact in D1, Malonzo as well didn’t really have much impact on D1, Kai is definitely the second most accomplished player on the team but hasn’t had much impact. Edu had injuries and never really made a massive impact for his team. Clarkson is more talented than anyone from both teams but after him the drop off is big.

If pinoy players really are as trash as you say then why do they retain a system that falls back so much on individual brilliance instead of team effort? Why not go back to Tab's formula of developing weak players instead of overexposing mediocre ones?

[Metta]

What if Gilas will overcome Italy by more than 15 and move on to the second round tomorrow?haha will your sentiments against chot and SBP be the same?haha I know this Gilas squad is capable of such feats and we have the most brilliant coach of the entire ph as our captain.haha

Bilog ang bola, we can get lucky once in a while. But unless we have a proper long-term program, we will not improve our chances and consistency.

We will continually leave it to chance that a guy like JC gets born and then rely on him for everything.

[TheRodster21]

If pinoy players really are as trash as you say then why do they retain a system that falls back so much on individual brilliance instead of team effort? Why not go back to Tab's formula of developing weak players instead of overexposing mediocre ones?

I’m not saying their trash but saying Japan’s locals are on the same level feels like it’s not looking at the real problem of local development. Probably majority of the Japanese national team pool is probably at the same level or worse than maybe majority of the Gilas pool but the starting lineup of Japan is probably better.

[BJ_Reloaded]

If this would come into reality starting from this edition of the World Cup, issues about the availability of some marquee NBA players from the next cycle may be resolve in a way.

The Central Board will appoint to the Central Board a representative of the National Basketball Association (NBA) of the USA and a representative of the players. In addition, the Central Board may co-opt additional members — with full voting rights — for the vision, skill and special expertise that they will bring.

https://tiebreakertimes.com.ph/tbt/fiba-congress-elects-sheikh-saud-ali-al-thani-as-new-fiba-president/279079

[IPC]

Last night, we had a 102.9 DRTG against DR based on a formula I found. DR shot 23-34 from the foul line, and 29-73 from the field. Allowed 17 offensive rebounds, though. Good enough. Hope that number gets lower in the following games. Show that same effort against Angola and Italy.

After this, we had a 108.8 defensive rating against Angola. Allowed 20 offensive rebounds, and they shot 17-23 from the foul line, and 27-72 from the field (9-31 from 3). Offensive rating's that high because we allowed 20 offensive rebounds.

Does this DRTG get higher against Italy?

[empyreanmaze]

I’m not saying their trash but saying Japan’s locals are on the same level feels like it’s not looking at the real problem of local development. Probably majority of the Japanese national team pool is probably at the same level or worse than maybe majority of the Gilas pool but the starting lineup of Japan is probably better.

There's no need for euphemisms unless you want to be a member of sbp or gilas lol. You just called the players ass without saying they're ass.

[DAdmiral]

Contrary to common thought it's not actually in game tournament coaching that is the biggest issue, but it really is our lack of player development particularly at the youth level, we're simply not producing players at the rate of others, do note we have yet a homegrown player who's made it as rotation Div 1, NBA or Euro league. That should tell you enough

[Marsh Mello]

Contrary to common thought it's not actually in game tournament coaching that is the biggest issue, but it really is our lack of player development particularly at the youth level, we're simply not producing players at the rate of others, do note we have yet a homegrown player who's made it as rotation Div 1, NBA or Euro league. That should tell you enough

I agree with this take. all of our potential prospects are always boxed to play in uaap and ncaa, which hampers their development.