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  • Originally posted by Rastas View Post
    Current commitments to team USA look like it could be a worse team than they had at the last WC - where they finished 7th, unless you think Ant n Middleton are going to dominate - no way are they the favorites going into this WC.
    sheer talent sure they are the favorites, but yeah , this had to be the weakest team USA since the 2002 World Cup. Atleast the 2019 team had the young boston celtics crew

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    • i have a question regarding players' compensation for playing for gilas. do all of them get paid to play by SBP/stakeholders? i thought this was a voluntary thing and only the naturalized players get paid

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      • saw a post of China's roster in FIBA's FB account so no Kyle Anderson yet or any other naturalized player, while Arakji was injured and will be out for 1 month

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        • Originally posted by Giannis34GOD View Post

          I don't think so... Especially for non - US players, As long the player/s are willing, healthy and basketball federations overseas can pay insurance fees, They can lend their players for their respective national teams... The mindset of Americans in terms of international basketball is different than International players... International players are always willing to play anytime for their national teams, whether it's FIBA or Olympics, While Americans are not passionate playing for USA basketball even for Olympics... Example Kawhi Leonard, he's not yet played in any international competitions, whether it's FIBA or Olympics, same for Trae Young, Zion and Morant... Americans only care about money, fame and brands... That's all... The same is not for International players, They were born to represent their countries and they have pride for it... That's why i see the end of USA domination of basketball.. After LBJ, Steph or KD (If they all retired), No more next in line USA players can take over as "Captain America" for them... Actually, i want this, The International players will take over the basketball scene, basketball popularity as whole will explode since basketball superstars today are more international... Everyone will be winner here...
          This past season,players and owners got called out in all sports media,by not announcing so called injured players are not playing and the paying public is sometimes unaware and they felt like they were cheated.Some players prolonged their injury status to make a run on the plyayoffs instead.NBA prioritize the American paying public and it really hits their pride that they just can't go over the top against the NFL and MLB.I'm guessing that in the future WC it will be back to majority Gleague and College stars and a couple of NBA young stars.We will also see the other countries with multiple NBA players probably will have only 1 player to play.But again as been said in this forum international basketball is too popular nowadays so they might not need the NBA players at all,USA really doesn't need to win anymoe titles and someone will say to make it a fair game less seasoned NBA players.

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          • Originally posted by ARMIR View Post

            This past season,players and owners got called out in all sports media,by not announcing so called injured players are not playing and the paying public is sometimes unaware and they felt like they were cheated.Some players prolonged their injury status to make a run on the plyayoffs instead.NBA prioritize the American paying public and it really hits their pride that they just can't go over the top against the NFL and MLB.I'm guessing that in the future WC it will be back to majority Gleague and College stars and a couple of NBA young stars.We will also see the other countries with multiple NBA players probably will have only 1 player to play.But again as been said in this forum international basketball is too popular nowadays so they might not need the NBA players at all,USA really doesn't need to win anymoe titles and someone will say to make it a fair game less seasoned NBA players.
            Americans are like this... But not for International players... Check at Wembayanma, He will skip Summer League but likely to play FIBA WC... Spurs can easily say no for Wemby but Spurs knows that France needed him too... Especially that he's new to the seniors team that they will use FIBA WC as their preparation for Paris Olympics as host next year.... France badly needed Wemby to be familiar early with Collet's system.... Dallas allows Luka to join even they can say NO to him... This is only mindset of American players... they don't like to represent their countries, even at Olympics...

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            • Originally posted by JOI2dWorld View Post
              saw a post of China's roster in FIBA's FB account so no Kyle Anderson yet or any other naturalized player, while Arakji was injured and will be out for 1 month
              Kyle Anderson will play, His passport requirements is not yet finished, maybe late July the application of his passport will be cleared... That's why China only announced 18 man roster, because they can add players if some of original pick ups will declined to join...

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              • Originally posted by CoJ View Post

                on paper, team owners cant prohibit players from suiting up for their respective NTeams as per agreement of the NBA with FIBA. And to be fair, Marc Cuban, who is perhaps the most critical of FIBA/Olympic participation of NBA players, couldn't prevent his players, from Dirk to Luka, from participating in FIBA tourneys.

                but yeah, internally, owners can incentivize the non participation of players in FIBA tourneys
                But you have to remember that the reason why NBA is now a global thing is because of 1992 Dream team... NBA will not be a popular today if not for 1992 Olympic stint.. After that, International players increasing every year because they were inspired by 1992 squad.... They have to thank FIBA to push professional players to participate in FIBA / Olympic tournaments, If not for FIBA push in 1990, The NBA today is still American thing and might be not as big thing as today....NBA and FIBA has one goal, Their goal is to be Basketball will become a no.1 sport in the world.. And the only thing to do is that they have to globalize basketball by increasing interest in international tourneys... NBA alone can't do that... From bankrupt FIBA year in 2002, To a global international thing in 2019 that has 1.5 billion views last FIBA WC... 100 MILLION less than the 2nd watch World Cup ICC Cricket that has 1.6 billion views.... After Football, It was basketball who has a global reach and followers in every continent... Most of the countries on earth putting basketball as their 2nd sport after football.. So the followers are already there... If FIBA and NBA wants to reach that goal, They have to communicate each other... This is also business afterall... If International tourneys in basketball will have that big reach as football version, Money will come and popularity of the sport will rise after that....

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                • Originally posted by Giannis34GOD View Post

                  Americans are like this... But not for International players... Check at Wembayanma, He will skip Summer League but likely to play FIBA WC... Spurs can easily say no for Wemby but Spurs knows that France needed him too... Especially that he's new to the seniors team that they will use FIBA WC as their preparation for Paris aOlympics as host next year.... France badly needed Wemby to be familiar early with Collet's system.... Dallas allows Luka to join even they can say NO to him... This is only mindset of American players... they don't like to represent their countries, even at Olympics...
                  I think Wemby will skip and beg-off from WC. He need to sort out first his NBA contract. Besides WC is just secondary to him. His ultimate goal internationally is the 2024 Paris Olympics.

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                  • Originally posted by FilWelsh View Post

                    I think Wemby will skip and beg-off from WC. He need to sort out first his NBA contract. Besides WC is just secondary to him. His ultimate goal internationally is the 2024 Paris Olympics.
                    He's already commit to France this summer... His handlers and the Spurs can manage his contract while he's playing for France... He's a big deal in France, And they will use FIBA WC as their big preparation for Olympics... The only thing that he will skip if he's not healthy.... And he's not yet accustomed to Mr. Collet's system in French national team, especially that he needs to be there w/ the guys like Batum, Fournier, De Colo, Gobert, etc... To create chemistry to each other... And he's not American, Only Americans doing that way... Wemby's situation is like the same situation what Yao Ming did in 2002, drafted 1st overall pick by Houston but before he play to Houston, he played w/ Chinese national team in 2002 FIBA WC and also in Asian Games weeks after the WC....

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                    • Originally posted by Giannis34GOD View Post

                      Americans are like this... But not for International players... Check at Wembayanma, He will skip Summer League but likely to play FIBA WC... Spurs can easily say no for Wemby but Spurs knows that France needed him too... Especially that he's new to the seniors team that they will use FIBA WC as their preparation for Paris Olympics as host next year.... France badly needed Wemby to be familiar early with Collet's system.... Dallas allows Luka to join even they can say NO to him... This is only mindset of American players... they don't like to represent their countries, even at Olympics...

                      That's all good and done,until these players gets injured or claim tired legs so,there will be reports of non serious injuries,and thus the player only play half of the regular season,then make a run for the playoffs.I like the idea of less NBA players,the more the USA is weaker for playing fair for the rest of the world the better.Better still the Euros will field only 1 NBA player and let's put it to the test if international basketball have evolved far enough in popularity,that the need for NBA players to prop it up is no more.With less NBA players,teams like Australia will be likely on the top 3 all the time and a couple of Asian teams will finally be consistently on the top 10.

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                      • Originally posted by Giannis34GOD View Post

                        But you have to remember that the reason why NBA is now a global thing is because of 1992 Dream team... NBA will not be a popular today if not for 1992 Olympic stint.. After that, International players increasing every year because they were inspired by 1992 squad.... They have to thank FIBA to push professional players to participate in FIBA / Olympic tournaments, If not for FIBA push in 1990, The NBA today is still American thing and might be not as big thing as today....NBA and FIBA has one goal, Their goal is to be Basketball will become a no.1 sport in the world.. And the only thing to do is that they have to globalize basketball by increasing interest in international tourneys... NBA alone can't do that... From bankrupt FIBA year in 2002, To a global international thing in 2019 that has 1.5 billion views last FIBA WC... 100 MILLION less than the 2nd watch World Cup ICC Cricket that has 1.6 billion views.... After Football, It was basketball who has a global reach and followers in every continent... Most of the countries on earth putting basketball as their 2nd sport after football.. So the followers are already there... If FIBA and NBA wants to reach that goal, They have to communicate each other... This is also business afterall... If International tourneys in basketball will have that big reach as football version, Money will come and popularity of the sport will rise after that....

                        This is why the NBA felt that,they're not needed anymore since,everyone claims that FIBA Basketball is on top,they've doen their job of what they were asked to do since 1992.Besides the American's belief of fair in sports,they don't have to win by 30-60 pts,that's just to them is bad form.The solution is simple less seasoned and popular NBA players,let the other countries shine and with less NBA players in all other global teams the better,teams like Australia will be always in the top 3 or 5 and more than likely a couple of Asian teams in the top 10.It will be also beneficial for the NBA to have a healthy player that can grind for the whole season to satisfy the paying fans that shows up in the NBA arena.

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                        • Originally posted by Giannis34GOD View Post

                          But you have to remember that the reason why NBA is now a global thing is because of 1992 Dream team... NBA will not be a popular today if not for 1992 Olympic stint.. After that, International players increasing every year because they were inspired by 1992 squad.... They have to thank FIBA to push professional players to participate in FIBA / Olympic tournaments, If not for FIBA push in 1990, The NBA today is still American thing and might be not as big thing as today
                          lol this is not true, the dream team was the biggest draw in barcelona, fans and even other athletes were mobbing them. lakers/magic vs bird/celtics in the 80s & jordan in the 90s made it into a popular global sport, and yao ming's arrival made it even more popular in china/asia. the nba has always been bigger than fiba, especially now more than ever

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                          • also to add neither fiba or the olympics were responsible for the influx of the top european players to the nba in the late 80s and 90s. it was the breakup of the soviet union, most of the top european players were from the soviet block

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                            • Originally posted by magic_chiongson View Post

                              lol this is not true, the dream team was the biggest draw in barcelona, fans and even other athletes were mobbing them. lakers/magic vs bird/celtics in the 80s & jordan in the 90s made it into a popular global sport, and yao ming's arrival made it even more popular in china/asia. the nba has always been bigger than fiba, especially now more than ever
                              That's why i said that if not for FIBA's push to not include PRO athletes for basketball in Olympics, The NBA still an American thing and not be as popular as they were now... Look at NFL, They are the most popular league in America but no one cares outside USA... Because American football as a sport is not a big thing in the rest of the world... Jordan will be not popular outside USA because they will not recognized globally... He will be like Tom Brady, He's very popular in the US but globally, He's not even in top 20 most popular athletes... You will be recognized globally if you participate in most of international competitions... OK, Zion, Young and Morant were been recognized lately but not because of their achievements, They were popular now due to their respective controversies surrounding them.... Even the late David Stern thank former FIBA secretary Boris Stankovic for NBA's global popularity due to 1992 Dream team... At first, USA federation disagreed to allow PROS to play for international competitions, But later they saw how big they will be if they will push their market outside USA... So the rest is history for NBA, FIBA and the sport of basketball as the whole.. NBA still needs FIBA if they want the sport of basketball become the no.1 sport in the world (Even i know it will be not happened, soccer still the king) or being contentious 2nd most popular sport on earth today...

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                              • Originally posted by magic_chiongson View Post

                                lol this is not true, the dream team was the biggest draw in barcelona, fans and even other athletes were mobbing them. lakers/magic vs bird/celtics in the 80s & jordan in the 90s made it into a popular global sport, and yao ming's arrival made it even more popular in china/asia. the nba has always been bigger than fiba, especially now more than ever

                                This is correct,and its now time for the NBA to wean themselves out of FIBA a little bit,no need to send a team that would just embarass the other teams to losing in international ball by 30+ points.This past season lots of players in their roster barely played half of the season,USA should revert back to to the spirit of semi amateurism in international ball,send at least 4 standout college players and more Gleague dominant players with a few young NBA players to support.

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