Fiba World Cup 2023 Philippines

[mapuakid]

Next time we naturalize a player, we should not only naturalize for size but how he will gel with the rest of the team.

Blatche and Clarkson, for all their talent and caliber, will take away lots of opportunities from other players.

They (SBP) need to consider the age as well.
The younger the NP (21 or 22yo) the better

[thatweirdguy]

From Twitter

Charles Tiu

Might be an unpopular opinion but at least in this level and at this point, Brownlee may be a better fit for Gilas than Clarkson. Yes we played a much weaker Lebanon team than the last, but JB fits the system, knows his teammates and doesn't always need the ball to be effective.

Ryan Alba
*whispers quietly* JB seems like a more dynamic naturalized player for Gilas compared to JC.

Ryan Alba
More than familiarity with PH basketball, it's his playing style that makes Justin Brownlee fit with this squad.

What makes him truly great isn't the scoring, it's always been his ability to play within a team context and create for himself and others.

Dude's portable.

Chris Tan

I will stick to what I initially said, I would keep BROWNLEE over CLARKSON. JUSTIN plays with his 100% effort the whole game and he already has the Filipino pride in him.

It's just one game and against a depleted team. I'll hold off my judgement until we've seen more from him.

Agree with analyzed. We need a combo forward/big man more than a defenseless black hole. If it were me though I'll get an ex NBAer equivalent of Kouame since that's will solve a lot of our problems.

[ja.he]

They (SBP) need to consider the age as well.
The younger the NP (21 or 22yo) the better

Yeah, that's why the decision to naturalize Kouame is a good decision. He will be a good investment.

He is only 25. He was naturalized at age 23. He debuted for Gilas seniors at age 23.

A pro experience will improve him further.

[Sikatrix]

Drama between the MVP and SMC groups is probably the only reason why Brownlee wasnt naturalized sooner. Maybe even a side effect of players leaving for abroad is the two camps coming together and Brownlee finally getting citizenship.

[DAdmiral]

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[Giannis34GOD]

Robert na Robert! Welcome back Robert! Miss you bro and our discussions about Mikey Williams, Castro, Parks and TNT topics

Good to see you back!

I don't know who is he but i'm not too familiar with local professional league.... I'm sorry dude... But in case of Clarkson - Brownlee debate, The reason why Clarkson still should be the NP because he will get much needed training after his NBA season, I heard it will be 2 months... So that's enough for a guy that has incredible talent... If Clarkson can't commit for us in 2 months then i would say Brownlee should take that spot.... But another thing here is Philippines will play also in Asian Games 3 weeks after the FIBA WC... If Brownlee will play in the WC then he will be gassed up in Asian Games... So it means 100% Clarkson in FIBA WC while Brownlee in Asian Games....

[Giannis34GOD]

Simply based on roster composition, getting a NP combo forward fits better . Clarkson actually eats up opportunities shots for Parks and Dwight ( Gilas strength)

But JC and Dwight have good combination when they played together... It was JC, Kai and Dwight who shined in 4th window... The issue with Parks is that he's not consistent on defense... No question on offense but Parks should play full effort on defense when he is on the court...

[Giannis34GOD]

From Twitter

Charles Tiu

Might be an unpopular opinion but at least in this level and at this point, Brownlee may be a better fit for Gilas than Clarkson. Yes we played a much weaker Lebanon team than the last, but JB fits the system, knows his teammates and doesn't always need the ball to be effective.

Ryan Alba
*whispers quietly* JB seems like a more dynamic naturalized player for Gilas compared to JC.

Ryan Alba
More than familiarity with PH basketball, it's his playing style that makes Justin Brownlee fit with this squad.

What makes him truly great isn't the scoring, it's always been his ability to play within a team context and create for himself and others.

Dude's portable.

Chris Tan

I will stick to what I initially said, I would keep BROWNLEE over CLARKSON. JUSTIN plays with his 100% effort the whole game and he already has the Filipino pride in him.

Those persons didn't knew that FIBA WC and Asian Games are only weeks apart? Did they want players will be gassed up again, same what happened in 2014? And FIBA WC is a high level competition... So the good scenario should be JC for FIBA WC and JB for Asian Games... that is a win win scenario for all....

[Giannis34GOD]

It's just one game and against a depleted team. I'll hold off my judgement until we've seen more from him.

Agree with analyzed. We need a combo forward/big man more than a defenseless black hole. If it were me though I'll get an ex NBAer equivalent of Kouame since that's will solve a lot of our problems.

Yeah, agree on this, Lebanon send low tier level players (except Saoud, El Darwich and Hayk).. They should not hype that win.. And maybe Jordan will rest Tucker and Al Dwairi too, since they are already qualified... And World Cup is a different animal than any Asian competitions... I would say they should think wisely with their decision... remember "Repentance comes later"..

[Silent Killer]

I don't know who is he but i'm not too familiar with local professional league.... I'm sorry dude... But in case of Clarkson - Brownlee debate, The reason why Clarkson still should be the NP because he will get much needed training after his NBA season, I heard it will be 2 months... So that's enough for a guy that has incredible talent... If Clarkson can't commit for us in 2 months then i would say Brownlee should take that spot.... But another thing here is Philippines will play also in Asian Games 3 weeks after the FIBA WC... If Brownlee will play in the WC then he will be gassed up in Asian Games... So it means 100% Clarkson in FIBA WC while Brownlee in Asian Games....

It’s okay robert.. Good thing you’re controlling your temper and behaviour here in forum.. Everything good..

[Giannis34GOD]

It’s okay robert.. Good thing you’re controlling your temper and behaviour here in forum.. Everything good..

Much better it should be:

JC For FIBA WC
JB for SEAG and Asian Games

That 2014 scenario still hunts for many Filipino fans... They have a good run in FIBA WC but a big disappointment in Asian Games, whereas Iran and Korea more focus to win gold in Asian Games and treat 2014 FIBA WC as their training ground.... And guess who met in the Gold medal match of 2014 Asian Games? Iran and Korea!!!

[paliganibossalfrancis]

I don't know who is he but i'm not too familiar with local professional league.... I'm sorry dude... But in case of Clarkson - Brownlee debate, The reason why Clarkson still should be the NP because he will get much needed training after his NBA season, I heard it will be 2 months... So that's enough for a guy that has incredible talent... If Clarkson can't commit for us in 2 months then i would say Brownlee should take that spot.... But another thing here is Philippines will play also in Asian Games 3 weeks after the FIBA WC... If Brownlee will play in the WC then he will be gassed up in Asian Games... So it means 100% Clarkson in FIBA WC while Brownlee in Asian Games....

this makes total sense. the problem with Filipino fans is they see one good game from a player all of the sudden he's a shoo-in lol.

it's simple logic
Asian level - Justin Brownlee - Former DLeaguer cannot crack an NBA team, might give you 14-16ppg
World level - Jordan Clarkson - One of the faces of Utah Jazz, efficient 20-25 points per contest

We've got our bases covered for both competitions. We go for JC in World Cup, JB for SEA Games & Asian Games.. Take note that the World Cup roster we will have is not yet the best we could possibly form
- If we qualify for Olympics, perhaps we can have JC, JB, Mikey, Barefield & Ange on the same team.
- If JC all of the sudden is considered a local, we can have them both on the WC roster.

But we do not have time to naturalize another big man to run another system, that will negate all the progress this team has had so far.

[paliganibossalfrancis]

While there are reasons for not going div1, litterarally there is NO eligible Pinoy who is a rotation player for a mid to high major Div 1 school. (Not even Dwight), and let's not fool ourselves there is no conspiracy for Euro league div1 (turkey, ACB etc) to Simply refuse offering Pinoys contracts over $1 M .
And if we haven't yet realize that there must be a reason why Asia littitally has not won a single gsme vs European teams in 8 official FIbA tournaments involving over 50 games for over 13 years (since 2010) c'mon this is denial already

The thing is qe have to take baby steps 1st , this will take time.to change , it's kind of absurd to expect to change wirh 2 months buildup and suddenly claim we arear par wih regular Euro and div1playes , this is disrespecting the accomplishments they've rightfully earned. .

disrespecting accomplishments they've rightfully earned just by being born in the US, Europe and Australia? I think that's no accomplishment at all. Put these US-born, European-born and Australian-born players in a third world Philippine setting with unnecessary politics, no opportunities other than PBA and outdated coaching principles, and put much more skilled Filipinos in their place where they'll get the right coaching, diet, exposure and opportunities to get Euroleague offers and Div 1 offers

[DAdmiral]

What you're penalizing discrediting players who made it (NBA , Europe) for growing up in the 1st world?
Granted it's true it's harder to make it from the 3rd world (no one is disagreeing ), that's more an argument at how disadvantage some our compared to others , but noting to do with the strength of each Nation. NO ONE is hiding the fsct thst when a country has good resources to develop it is indeed the reason for good outcome and producing players.

Your point is actually justification to bar fil foreigners from Philippine leagues, as they are unfairly advantage as you claimed

[paliganibossalfrancis]

What you're penalizing discrediting players who made it (NBA , Europe) for growing up in the 1st world?
Granted it's true it's harder to make it from the 3rd world (no one is disagreeing ), that's more an argument at how disadvantage some our compared to others , but noting to do with the strength of each Nation. NO ONE is hiding the fsct thst when a country has good resources to develop it is indeed the reason for good outcome and producing players.

so your point of Filipino players not getting Euroleague offers or D1 offers and gauging their talent level based off that is invalid. Different locations, different upbringing, different opportunities.

you've always highlighted the superiority of your Tall Blacks and Boomers while continuing to assert the inferiority of Filipino players and our Asian neighbors, when we're now finally starting to produce players worthy of international recognition due to the game's rapid globalization and consistent work of our players and coaches to grow the game internally. We're a developing country with an uprising basketball program, I know you're not sold now because of past results, but once the time comes that Gilas can routinely beat the Boomers and Tall Blacks and hack out wins against European teams, I hope you get off your high horse.