Fiba World Cup 2023 Philippines

[paliganibossalfrancis]

Unpopular take , a NP who can play 4 and with his presence increase each of Dwight, Parks and Kai's scoring avg by 5 pts , to me is better than Clarkson option.

But it will be political suicide not to use Clarkson.

Philippine basketball has to get to realization stage that it can't win on talent (as it will always inferior) but has to rely on chemistry to beat stronger talented teams..
The idea is you're building a team and program , Not simply fielding best player available.
What's the difference? Do you want your best locals Kai, Dwight etc to be maximize and develop or NoT ?
Build a core playing prolonged together, (Not a hugot collection)

bad take that Philippine basketball will always be inferior. What SBP is doing now is making sure our talented pool plays together and builds chemistry up until the World Cup 2023 and beyond. Transition from individualistic play from their mother teams to cohesive team play in FIBA. It was on full display yesterday what this Gilas team is capable of.

Also bad take to pull out Jordan Clarkson. Who in the right mind will gamble with an unproven naturalized 4 in place of one of the most prolific scorers in the NBA today. We can run a system the whole game then turn to JC during crunch time. A team always needs that one guy who can close games out. We didn't have that luxury in World Cup 2014. Plus we already have the 4 and 5 positions covered.

Wait for this Gilas team to pull off a lopsided win against the Tall Blacks and a close win against Boomers so naysayers can finally be quiet.

[DAdmiral]

Disclaimer correction I said individual talent will always be inferior to elite World level teams, and we need to rely on chemistry to beat superior talented teams ( never referred to the program being inferior).
BTW I didn't say it necessary has to be Brownlee, but here is the thing if we are saying we are building the chemistry of the core (and Brownlee is the one getting most of the reps (cohesion with others). Then taking hin out , defeats the purpose , as he is a central piece talent to the chemistry being developed.

The Tall Blacks are also inferior in individual talent compared to top tier world level teams, it's this realization that allows them to focus on chemistry to win .
Those are two different things altogether.

[Rds]

It's just one game, but June Mar's kind of concerning. He didn't look like the June Mar of old last night. He wasn't utilized that often on offense, which magnified the problems he posed defensively. As Rds said, he was targeted by shooters, and was slow to rotate both on drives and on threes.

That's why people would want AJ Edu. For defense, since Kai and Japeth are the only defensive presence we've had at 5 for these windows.

With Edu's health a big question mark I would say Balti is the next best defensive big. He played decent against the two Leb teams in Dubai.

[paliganibossalfrancis]

Disclaimer correction I said individual talent will always be inferior to elite World level teams, and we need to rely on chemistry to beat superior talented teams ( never referred to the program being inferior).
BTW I didn't say it necessary has to be Brownlee, but here is the thing if we are saying we are building the chemistry of the core (and Brownlee is the one getting most of the reps (cohesion with others). Then taking hin out , defeats the purpose , as he is a central piece talent to the chemistry being developed.

The Tall Blacks are also inferior in individual talent compared to top tier world level teams, it's this realization that allows them to focus on chemistry to win .
Those are two different things altogether.

talent wise I don't think we're inferior to elite World level teams. this core can go far if kept intact. we can keep games close and competitive but we need someone like JC to make sure we dont crumble in the end. End-game execution killed us multiple times already. JC will always be an upgrade to JB, and at the World Level when you need a bucket during close games vs the likes of Serbia, France, Argentina.. you give the ball to someone who can score vs World-level defenders on a nightly basis.

Despite JB's familiarity with his teammates and chemistry displayed last night, Justin Brownlee's toughest competition lately is only the PBA.

JC just needs a month or 2 to build more chemistry with the core and to get accustomed to FIBA play as he still has the tendency to show boat and play hero ball. Also needs to work on his defensive awareness. He has always been a plug & play for Gilas, so he's relatively still inexperienced compared to his peers (Luka, Jokic, Giannis, Schroder) in FIBA. Let's see how a rigorous training camp can unleash the true potential of a JC-led Gilas team.

[DAdmiral]

The idea of building a core together for a generation, is minumim 2 to 4 years ( not a 2 month thing). This is indeed the most common blue print , even the 2014 Version of Gilas was a 2012 to 2014 thing .

Which brings me to this Version, who actually has played to most together and looking at 2027 WC would is likely to be there and gained a significant time together .

Let me call out the obvious
Kai
Dwight
Heading (actually)
Thirdy/Malonzo
Of course the NP ( and my take it's best to get a combo forward)

Maybe Carl, Mason , really don't know

But that really the essence , not a put together 2 month thing .

[Giannis34GOD]

With Edu's health a big question mark I would say Balti is the next best defensive big. He played decent against the two Leb teams in Dubai.

If you follow Edu's season today, He's doing fine, No health problems whatsoever.... He's a back up big man who gives his team atleast 5 pts, 5 rebs, 3 blks per game... That's good for a role player big that Gilas needs... No coach in the Philippines will gamble to not include him on 2023.. Unless he will injured again (Hope it's not)....

[Giannis34GOD]

Serbia lose to Greece while Belgium beat UK/England (Great Britain) in their Group I games... Serbia still in danger although their last game is against UK at their home... No way Serbia will lose that game... For sake of ticket sales, MVP and WC organizers more needed Serbia to be there than Non basketball country like Belgium... Hope Serbia will take care of business against UK on Monday....

[sajubeads]

talent wise I don't think we're inferior to elite World level teams. this core can go far if kept intact. we can keep games close and competitive but we need someone like JC to make sure we dont crumble in the end. End-game execution killed us multiple times already. JC will always be an upgrade to JB, and at the World Level when you need a bucket during close games vs the likes of Serbia, France, Argentina.. you give the ball to someone who can score vs World-level defenders on a nightly basis.

Despite JB's familiarity with his teammates and chemistry displayed last night, Justin Brownlee's toughest competition lately is only the PBA.

JC just needs a month or 2 to build more chemistry with the core and to get accustomed to FIBA play as he still has the tendency to show boat and play hero ball. Also needs to work on his defensive awareness. He has always been a plug & play for Gilas, so he's relatively still inexperienced compared to his peers (Luka, Jokic, Giannis, Schroder) in FIBA. Let's see how a rigorous training camp can unleash the true potential of a JC-led Gilas team.

Come.on bro let's be realistic. Granting on your assertion that Philippines is not inferior to World Elite, why is it that there are ZERO , again I repeat Zero Pinoy players playing in the NBA ir Euro Leagueo (outside of Clarkson and Green who were both not Philippine trained anayways)...Malakas pals mga Pinoy and yet scouts are turning blind on them?

[DenzelGreat8]

So you want Brownlee (PBA GOAT import) over Clarkson (NBA 6th man of the year)? Cmon!!! Are you smoking cocaine?

Robert na Robert! Welcome back Robert! Miss you bro and our discussions about Mikey Williams, Castro, Parks and TNT topics

Good to see you back!

[carmelo7]

The idea of building a core together for a generation, is minumim 2 to 4 years ( not a 2 month thing). This is indeed the most common blue print , even the 2014 Version of Gilas was a 2012 to 2014 thing .

Which brings me to this Version, who actually has played to most together and looking at 2027 WC would is likely to be there and gained a significant time together .

Let me call out the obvious
Kai
Dwight
Heading (actually)
Thirdy/Malonzo
Of course the NP ( and my take it's best to get a combo forward)

Maybe Carl, Mason , really don't know

But that really the essence , not a put together 2 month thing .

C'mon not Thirdy lol

Counting guys that are eligible and 28 years
old and younger excluding ineligibles that may or may not get exemption
Not sure on Edu though, until I see him in Gilas uniform

Kai
Amos
Tamayo
Balti
Malonzo
Ramos
Heading
Winston

[DAdmiral]

Come.on bro let's be realistic. Granting on your assertion that Philippines is not inferior to World Elite, why is it that there are ZERO , again I repeat Zero Pinoy players playing in the NBA ir Euro Leagueo (outside of Clarkson and Green who were both not Philippine trained anayways)...Malakas pals mga Pinoy and yet scouts are turning blind on them?

While there are reasons for not going div1, litterarally there is NO eligible Pinoy who is a rotation player for a mid to high major Div 1 school. (Not even Dwight), and let's not fool ourselves there is no conspiracy for Euro league div1 (turkey, ACB etc) to Simply refuse offering Pinoys contracts over $1 M .
And if we haven't yet realize that there must be a reason why Asia littitally has not won a single gsme vs European teams in 8 official FIbA tournaments involving over 50 games for over 13 years (since 2010) c'mon this is denial already

The thing is qe have to take baby steps 1st , this will take time.to change , it's kind of absurd to expect to change wirh 2 months buildup and suddenly claim we arear par wih regular Euro and div1playes , this is disrespecting the accomplishments they've rightfully earned. .

[Silent Killer]

From Twitter

Charles Tiu

Might be an unpopular opinion but at least in this level and at this point, Brownlee may be a better fit for Gilas than Clarkson. Yes we played a much weaker Lebanon team than the last, but JB fits the system, knows his teammates and doesn't always need the ball to be effective.

Ryan Alba
*whispers quietly* JB seems like a more dynamic naturalized player for Gilas compared to JC.

Ryan Alba
More than familiarity with PH basketball, it's his playing style that makes Justin Brownlee fit with this squad.

What makes him truly great isn't the scoring, it's always been his ability to play within a team context and create for himself and others.

Dude's portable.

Chris Tan

I will stick to what I initially said, I would keep BROWNLEE over CLARKSON. JUSTIN plays with his 100% effort the whole game and he already has the Filipino pride in him.

[DAdmiral]

Simply based on roster composition, getting a NP combo forward fits better . Clarkson actually eats up opportunities shots for Parks and Dwight ( Gilas strength)

[carmelo7]

From Twitter

Charles Tiu

Might be an unpopular opinion but at least in this level and at this point, Brownlee may be a better fit for Gilas than Clarkson. Yes we played a much weaker Lebanon team than the last, but JB fits the system, knows his teammates and doesn't always need the ball to be effective.

Ryan Alba
*whispers quietly* JB seems like a more dynamic naturalized player for Gilas compared to JC.

Ryan Alba
More than familiarity with PH basketball, it's his playing style that makes Justin Brownlee fit with this squad.

What makes him truly great isn't the scoring, it's always been his ability to play within a team context and create for himself and others.

Dude's portable.

Chris Tan

I will stick to what I initially said, I would keep BROWNLEE over CLARKSON. JUSTIN plays with his 100% effort the whole game and he already has the Filipino pride in him.

We all get it but we also wish JB was only 28

[ja.he]

Next time we naturalize a player, we should not only naturalize for size but how he will gel with the rest of the team.

Blatche and Clarkson, for all their talent and caliber, will take away lots of opportunities from other players.